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Draft Stone
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:30:00 -
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Hi!
I just started playing this game a couple of days ago and I quite like the mining aspect of the game.
So far, I have done all career agents quest except the advanced military.
But I have a problem related to mining.
When I go in 0.6 sectors to mine some Pyro, often there are NPC bandits waiting for me. Since I am using the Venture, I don't have any defense mechanism to kill them, I equipped the Venture with 2 mining lasers, 2 mining drones and a Mining laser upgrade. I could use a combat ship and equip it with 2 mining lasers and a combat laser, but I would lack the huge ore cargo space of the Venture (No ship that I own come even close of the 5000m3 of the Venture.
So my question is, what would be the safest way to mine in sectors where NPC bandits are around. 1 - Equip a shield regenerator (medium slot) on my Venture and just let them hit me while I mine. 2 - Remove the mining laser upgrade and replace it with a repairer so I can withstand attacks while repairing 3 - Replace one or both mining drones with combat/defense drones 4 - Use a combat ship and do A LOT of back and forth between the asteroid belt and the station (I could do some jetcan mining, but I am afraid people would steal my ore since I won't be equipped to fight back with a ship equipped toward mining) 5 - Whatever else I didn't think about :)
The only thing I want, is to be able to fill my ship without worrying about dying to NPC bandits. (currently with both lasers, both drones and the upgrade, it takes around 15 minutes I think, should be faster as I gain skills)
Thanks a lot!
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
775
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:35:00 -
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Mining drones aren't that great. I'd replace those for hobgoblins, and place a small shield booster in a midslot. ORE ships are shield tanks. |

Argentaria
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:49:00 -
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OK, first welcome to EVE.
Second, you'd be better served posting this question in neither new players forum or even better, the science and industry forum.
Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. |

Kamii Yo
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:50:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Mining drones aren't that great. I'd replace those for hobgoblins, and place a small shield booster in a midslot. ORE ships are shield tanks.
^ This.
I would also maybe consider joining an industrial/mining corp - usually they do ops and one person can always defend in a combat ship...
You can also jet can mine...at the end of the day for someone really to "steal" your stuff they'll have to bring a huge hauler and hope your not in a combat ship when they warp in (as they'll also get flagged for stealing your stuff).
Joining an industrial corp is a good way to go though! |

Shokre O'Corwi
The Squid Squad Slumdogs
49
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:54:00 -
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Argentaria wrote:Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. You'll be out of asteroid range before the first cycle ends if you do that. |

Whitehound
633
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Posted - 2013.02.04 13:54:00 -
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Stay in the safer systems first and later get into a better mining ship, like the Procurer, the Retriever and the Covetor once you have the skill and the ISKs. These have a better tank and can launch more drones. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |

Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2013.02.04 14:39:00 -
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Draft Stone wrote:Hi!
I just started playing this game a couple of days ago and I quite like the mining aspect of the game.
So far, I have done all career agents quest except the advanced military.
But I have a problem related to mining.
When I go in 0.6 sectors to mine some Pyro, often there are NPC bandits waiting for me. Since I am using the Venture, I don't have any defense mechanism to kill them, I equipped the Venture with 2 mining lasers, 2 mining drones and a Mining laser upgrade. I could use a combat ship and equip it with 2 mining lasers and a combat laser, but I would lack the huge ore cargo space of the Venture (No ship that I own come even close of the 5000m3 of the Venture.
So my question is, what would be the safest way to mine in sectors where NPC bandits are around. 1 - Equip a shield regenerator (medium slot) on my Venture and just let them hit me while I mine. 2 - Remove the mining laser upgrade and replace it with a repairer so I can withstand attacks while repairing 3 - Replace one or both mining drones with combat/defense drones 4 - Use a combat ship and do A LOT of back and forth between the asteroid belt and the station (I could do some jetcan mining, but I am afraid people would steal my ore since I won't be equipped to fight back with a ship equipped toward mining) 5 - Whatever else I didn't think about :)
The only thing I want, is to be able to fill my ship without worrying about dying to NPC bandits. (currently with both lasers, both drones and the upgrade, it takes around 15 minutes I think, should be faster as I gain skills)
Thanks a lot!
Hey and welcome...
like some of the other have suggested, use two combat drones, instead of your two mining drones, it takes quite some training to get mining drones wourth it...
Also the ore types you get Veldsapr and Scordrite start at 1.0 and lower Pyro(Amarr and Caldari space), Plagioclase(gallante and minmatar) start at 0.8 and lower Kernite(Amarr and Caldari space), Omber(gallante and minmatar) start at 0,7 and lower
So try go to as high sec as possible for the ore you want, means mostly weaker rats, and your two combat drones should be enough, you could ewen try one combat drone and one salvage drone, the wrecks at belts, pile up and can give a extra bonus ISK income, if salvaged, just a tip |

Alphax45
United Dark Angels
25
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Posted - 2013.02.04 14:47:00 -
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Make sure you pay your 10Mil to the New Order so you don't get ganked. |

Iosue
Black Sky Hipsters
152
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Posted - 2013.02.04 15:26:00 -
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welcome, there's a lot of good advice in this thread, so i won't repeat it. also remember there is a Science and Industry subsection on this forum. That's the best place for mining or industry related questions. you may even find that a lot of your questions have already been asked and answered. good luck and have fun. |

Draft Stone
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.02.04 16:32:00 -
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Thanks a lot everyone for the fast replies!
Was unsure where to post this, so I took a guess, but next time, I'll try to get the right section :)
I'll try the combat drones and see how this works in 0.6 against 2 bandits, and if they don't I'll try to find higher security sectors until I gain more skills. (the 0.6 one is pretty close and makes fast travel, so I'd prefer this one, but we'll see) |

Akiyo Mayaki
129
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:36:00 -
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Shokre O'Corwi wrote:Argentaria wrote:Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. You'll be out of asteroid range before the first cycle ends if you do that.
Not sure if... No |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
504
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:43:00 -
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Alternative: Get out of the Venture and into a Procurer; it doesn't take long. I'll grant that the procurer is slower and clumiser, and mines more slowly than a Venture, too. But with a week or so spent training up Shield Management, you can tank the living hell out of it. then spend some time trainimg up Mining to V while you're mining to get into T2 Strip Miners, train up Mining improvements to get some Mining Laser Improvements, and you're doing just fine. Added bonus, the Procurer has better than twice the hold of Venture.
It won't take long to do, and it won't lock you into a career as a miner.
Or, do what the others have said - their advice is quite sound. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1603
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Posted - 2013.02.04 17:47:00 -
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Get a shield hardener and run that at all times. Doesn't even matter what kind, just seeing one activated makes you look like less of a potential victim. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |

Jayson Kassis
Carbon Industries
26
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Posted - 2013.02.04 18:09:00 -
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Alphax45 wrote:Make sure you pay your 10Mil to the New Order so you don't get ganked.
Gtfo. |

MadMuppet
Three Fish In A Box
770
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:39:00 -
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If you are going to mine in the same general area then set up your ship to handle the enemy rats that will spawn in the belts. Since you are an Amarrr, you are either going to get Sasha or Blood Raider rats.
Your Venture has three mid-slots. You might want to consider putting in either shield hardeners (EM Ward Field I and Thermic Dissipation Field I) which will give you a resistance to EM and thermal damage, but will cost out capacitor (you have to turn them on) or consider fitting shield resistance amplifiers (EM Ward Amplifier I and Themric Dissipation Amplifier I) which do the same thing, but do not give as good of a bonus but also are passive (no capacitor is needed for them to work). In the third mid-slot you might want to consider either a Civilian Shield Booster or a Small Shield Booster (Civilian is actually pretty good for mining and can usually be left on while mining.
Something else to consider would be shield resistance rigs. These will require you to train Mechanic to 3, then Jury Rigging to 3, and then Shield Rigging to 1 to use, but they go in the rig slots (you get three rigs slots on T1 ships). If you were to mount two Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I's and one Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I (for about 85,000 isk each) you would boost the ships defenses to around 49% for EM, and 45% for thermal (meaning you'd be taking only slightly more than half damage, and that is assuming you don't put anything in the mid-slots).
One last thing, even when mining, orbit an asteroid so that you are moving. A moving target is harder to hit and will take less damage. On the larger barge type ships you are too slow to do that, but the Venture is very fast. I mine in EVE because I'm too drunk to fish in WoW.-á |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2147
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:53:00 -
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One of the good things about shield tanks is that the passive regen is the same no matter how much extra you pack on.
So I would skip the booster and just go with extenders. This will also afford you a more likely survival percentage from a player gank.
As for offense, go with a couple of Hobgoblins. Mining drones are not going to add much in the way of time savings to fill the hold. However, when using combat drones it would be a good idea to be handy to the keyboard and not AFK, else you'll lose them and possibly your ship.
I should state that I say this stuff having never flown a Venture. But it works fine for the larger mining ships.
Mr Epeen  There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
684
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:53:00 -
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Draft Stone, welcome to EVE! You may not be aware, but many many of your fellow miners are cheating! They run programs that mine for them while they're at work and stuff, meanwhile, you make less money as an honest miner due to them flooding the market with their illegally obtained ore/ice!
Have you ever considered taking a more active roll in eliminating your competition? The New Order has sworn eternal jihad on these robots and you can help! With only 2 days training time, you can be killing these cheaters with the most lively, friendly, players in the game: the New Order of Highsec. Our dear leader James 315 will take you under his wing and show you the side of the game you've never seen. You can mine, and actuvely work to make the ore you mine worth more! :D
See www.minerbumping.com |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
942
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:59:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Get a shield hardener and run that at all times. Doesn't even matter what kind, just seeing one activated makes you look like less of a potential victim. Until you're ship-scanned. Then you just look like an idiot.
Fit an invuln, don't **** around with "any old hardener".
Also, one of the best things you can do for your tank is to fit a Damage Control. Even a bottom-of-the-barrel DCU I will more than double your ship's effective hit points.
If you're planning on ice mining, the best thing you can do for your tank is to pay your nearest friendly New Order Agent 10 million ISK for a mining permit, and keep an eye on local. If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |

Bow'en
Solutum Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
26
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:09:00 -
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Shokre O'Corwi wrote:Argentaria wrote:Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. You'll be out of asteroid range before the first cycle ends if you do that. Not if you align at minimum speed.
52nd to what was said above though. Hobgoblins (preferably IIs) and buffer tank in the mid slots for more Shield HP. |

Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:12:00 -
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Bow'en wrote:Shokre O'Corwi wrote:Argentaria wrote:Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. You'll be out of asteroid range before the first cycle ends if you do that. Not if you align at minimum speed. 52nd to what was said above though. Hobgoblins (preferably IIs) and buffer tank in the mid slots for more Shield HP. Ah, the old "dead align" myth rears its ugly head.
When will people stop believing this crap? |

Dr No Game
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:36:00 -
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Gorn Arming wrote:Bow'en wrote:Shokre O'Corwi wrote:Argentaria wrote:Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. You'll be out of asteroid range before the first cycle ends if you do that. Not if you align at minimum speed. 52nd to what was said above though. Hobgoblins (preferably IIs) and buffer tank in the mid slots for more Shield HP. Ah, the old "dead align" myth rears its ugly head. When will people stop believing this crap? More people just need to put it out there. I have read in dozens of places to align to the celestial most "in your path" to avoid gatecamps etc, but only one time that when your ship is stopped, it doesn't matter what you warp to. Which makes all the posts discussing "align time" on a ship make much more sense. There are just too many idiots parroting misinformation. |

Dave Stark
1829
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:54:00 -
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put hobgoblins in your drone bay.
deploy drones, go afk until cargo is full. repeat until you can fly something that isn't as horrible as the venture. "100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2157
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:59:00 -
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Dr No Game wrote:Gorn Arming wrote:Bow'en wrote:Shokre O'Corwi wrote:Argentaria wrote:Third, what was said above, shield booster and hobgoblin drones for defense. And even better, a healthy respect of when to run. Also as soon as your in position and mining, align your ship to station. The venture is a quick ship, but sometimes seconds matter. You'll be out of asteroid range before the first cycle ends if you do that. Not if you align at minimum speed. 52nd to what was said above though. Hobgoblins (preferably IIs) and buffer tank in the mid slots for more Shield HP. Ah, the old "dead align" myth rears its ugly head. When will people stop believing this crap? More people just need to put it out there. I have read in dozens of places to align to the celestial most "in your path" to avoid gatecamps etc, but only one time that when your ship is stopped, it doesn't matter what you warp to. Which makes all the posts discussing "align time" on a ship make much more sense. There are just too many idiots parroting misinformation. The best way to mine aligned is to plot a pair of opposing "warp out" points in-line with your asteroid belt of choice with a fast ship, saving the bookmarks. You'll also want to bookmark the last asteroid on either end of the belt. Then when you mine, you align to "warp out A." When you reach the end of the asteroid belt you warp to "warp out A" and warp back to the end asteroid. Now align to "warp out B" and continue mining. When you reach the end of the belt, warp to "war out B" and then warp back to the asteroid on that end of the belt.
If somebody neutral lands or decloaks in your belt, warp to the "warp out" you are aligned to. If you do, you will enter warp immediately, appearing as "invulnerable" to your potential attacker. Every time.
Now you don't even have to tank your terrible mining ship. You're welcome. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
506
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Posted - 2013.02.04 22:33:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote: The best way to mine aligned is to plot a pair of opposing "warp out" points in-line with your asteroid belt of choice with a fast ship, saving the bookmarks. You'll also want to bookmark the last asteroid on either end of the belt. Then when you mine, you align to "warp out A." When you reach the end of the asteroid belt you warp to "warp out A" and warp back to the end asteroid. Now align to "warp out B" and continue mining. When you reach the end of the belt, warp to "war out B" and then warp back to the asteroid on that end of the belt.
If somebody neutral lands or decloaks in your belt, warp to the "warp out" you are aligned to. If you do, you will enter warp immediately, appearing as "invulnerable" to your potential attacker. Every time.
Now you don't even have to tank your terrible mining ship. You're welcome.
Along with this, you can avoid the long slow drive from beacon to 'mining range' by establishing a 'turning point' bookmark some 200 - 250km above or below the belt proper. Also set points along the belt at convenient distances. When you arrive, warp to your 'turning point,' then choose the belt point closest to the rock you desire, and warp to it. when all rocks in range have been melted, warp to the turning point, then warp back to the next BM. Won't help much in a Venture, but much faster for the slower barges. Especially useful for ice belts, which are pretty massive. Also provides more options for escape when teh genkers arrive - And they will arrive.
Get used to the idea now that you will be ganked - and likely podded, too. It shouldn't need to be said, but I'll say it anyway: Don't mine with expensive ships unless you're wealthy. Don't mine with expensive implants, either - unless you're wealthy. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:21:00 -
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you can be in a real barge with strips in about 9 days from new character.
a real barge can be a retriever holding 25km3 ore and having 5 drones in the dronebay
venture is good for ninja mining, you dont need to ninja mine in a 0.6 You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |

Terraj Oknatis
Nobilium Academy
0
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:54:00 -
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This is simple and may or may not have been posted because i didn't actually read any of the posts. Just find a belt with a Hulk/ret/mackinaw that has their drones active. They will take out the rats for you. so long as they don't mind you occupying a small corner of their belt. |

Heywood Djiblomi
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.02.04 23:57:00 -
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Galaxy Pig wrote:Draft Stone, welcome to EVE! You may not be aware, but many many of your fellow miners are cheating! They run programs that mine for them while they're at work and stuff, meanwhile, you make less money as an honest miner due to them flooding the market with their illegally obtained ore/ice! Have you ever considered taking a more active roll in eliminating your competition? The New Order has sworn eternal jihad on these robots and you can help! With only 2 days training time, you can be killing these cheaters with the most lively, friendly, players in the game: the New Order of Highsec. Our dear leader James 315 will take you under his wing and show you the side of the game you've never seen. You can mine, and actuvely work to make the ore you mine worth more! :D See www.minerbumping.com
I fully endorse this product and/or service.  |

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3035
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:17:00 -
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I yield tank my mining fleet.
Note that you can slow your ship down to 75% of maximum speed and still warp out immediately. You can slow down further by fitting armour plates, but this restricts other fitting. Thus with a Hulk you will cover about 4km per minute. With a range of 25km you will have about five minutes to extract ore from any rock, just pick the ones furthest "ahead" of you and stop the laser when the rock falls too far behind.
Another option is to mine in mission space, especially when that space is accessed through acceleration gates: this buys you 30 seconds of advance warning. Either park a covops at the gate and watch that screen, or spam D-scan. If you are using T3 OGB, you could park that on grid with the gate, just keep it some hundreds of km away from the gate to avoid long range gankers. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
509
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Posted - 2013.02.05 15:59:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:I yield tank my mining fleet.
Note that you can slow your ship down to 75% of maximum speed and still warp out immediately. You can slow down further by fitting armour plates, but this restricts other fitting. Thus with a Hulk you will cover about 4km per minute. With a range of 25km you will have about five minutes to extract ore from any rock, just pick the ones furthest "ahead" of you and stop the laser when the rock falls too far behind.
Another option is to mine in mission space, especially when that space is accessed through acceleration gates: this buys you 30 seconds of advance warning. Either park a covops at the gate and watch that screen, or spam D-scan. If you are using T3 OGB, you could park that on grid with the gate, just keep it some hundreds of km away from the gate to avoid long range gankers. Well, this *is* a NewBro we're talking about / to. Hulks and cloaky ships are a bit out of his reach at the moment, though this is good advice for later.
Seriously, upgrade to a Barge - Procurer or Retriever are easy enough to get into, and the necessary skills won't be so SP-expensive that you're locked into a mining career. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

Karrl Tian
Exiled Assassins Equestria Alliance
178
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:04:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:put hobgoblins in your drone bay.
deploy drones, go afk until cargo is full. repeat until you can fly something that isn't as horrible as the venture.
Do this until you can fly a Mackinaw, then open alt account and repeat 3x til you have an Orca. Never leave highsec again. |
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