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Dread Operative
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.02.06 13:59:00 -
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Tiffany Starr wrote:You seem to have missed the relevant facts I originally posted:
"The reason that Gallente were able to achieve T3/T4 so easily was that the CCP Ninja Patch gifted them 70+ systems, which barely needed to be upgraded to maintain T3. Meanwhile, Caldari were left with a feeble 20 or so systems that needed to be heavily upgraded just to hold T2. Once Caldari hit T1, many of the (already massively outnumbered) PVP alliances simply left militia altogether.
Now that Ev0ke evened the odds, the same Gallente who gloated about blobbing their way to free LP and 'total dominance'(LOL!) are faced with the harsh reality that they aren't getting a free ride anymore and will most likely hit T1. I realise this must be very upsetting for them. "
In which was acknowledged through post in saying the system was broken do to biast, farmers, etc etc. If you read the thread, it wasn't till certain members started trash talking did the gloating start.
As for being upset, I don't see a single thread made about the GalMil losing systems besides a repost from the Mattini, which wasn't very upset at all, simply going into the possible psychology of the whole swing.
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JAF Anders
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Samurai Pizza Cats
13
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:13:00 -
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We didn't think the rest of the gals were coming for that one. Props for creaming our logi within 30 seconds of our gang warping in.  |
March rabbit
Aliastra
520
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Posted - 2013.02.06 14:40:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:How about I give each of you 1B isk to just stop flying hookbills alltogether?
have never flew hookbill....
tho can i ask to be given 1bil to not fly this thing anymore?  |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1033
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:00:00 -
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Gallente were "gifted" about 60 systems, not 70. All the Caldari had to do was flip 1-2 more systems to get them to Tier 3, but they didn't. Then Abannan decided to take back Eugales, and then we decided to push down into Placid... Game over.
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
472
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:37:00 -
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HazeInADaze wrote:http://fondl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16257005
Hey now, you guys got enough people together to undock. Apathy hasn't killed you yet.
Will never be apathetic towards pew pew. Just button spinning :)
Just wish more Cal Mil would be apathetic towards button spinning and do more fleet comps like you guys do. I think you're the only organization capable of bringing something out that's beyond frigs/dessies. That's sad given the large number of entities that exist in Cal Mil such as Templis, Liandri, and others.
High Five. Yeah!
C'est La Eve . |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
428
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:15:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:HazeInADaze wrote:http://fondl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16257005
Hey now, you guys got enough people together to undock. Apathy hasn't killed you yet. Will never be apathetic towards pew pew. Just button spinning :) Just wish more Cal Mil would be apathetic towards button spinning and do more fleet comps like you guys do. Respect for that. I think you're the only organization capable of bringing something out that's beyond frigs/dessies. That's sad given the large number of entities that exist in Cal Mil such as Templis, Liandri, and others. Being over there, perhaps you can shed some light as to why Cal Mil has such a huge fixation on the buttong spinning aspect of it and doesn't undock in more disciplined fleet comps which would wake the frogs from their slumber? Inb4 'because of blobing'
Takes you guys a little too long to "wake up". It took you guys generally took at least thirty minutes to an hour or more to bring a fight when vlil was being pushed. If you want to talk about apathy, think of the countless hours the gallente have spent keeping the caldari waiting while you guys wait for the minimum of 2(+):1 odds in your favor. Why blob up when we have to wait an hour or more for you guys to get a bigger blob when we can just log in and do a little small gang or solo work and get a fight within minutes of logging in? Win or lose, ask yourself, would you want to spend over an hour trying to get a fight or reduce your gang size/ship down to get one sooner?
Don't get me wrong, i love hopping into a gaurdian or basi and watching local fill with justified chaos tears about "you have logi and 3 boosters were not fighting QQ" but it gets old when the only fighting is on the forums or tears in local. The thing is most caldari are happy to throw down when the odds are against their favor, the issue with most gallente they want to "win" and traditionally stay docked until they have a massive numbers advantage and counter fleet comp to the caldari gang that has been waiting for at least an hour (the exception is chatgris fleets (most of the time at least, sometimes chatgris pulls an ammon dei...) and some SOTF FC's). This has been true in the nourv days in 2010, during the vlil push in 2012, and still holds true today. This is personally why I don't really roam that much anymore, i just do what the gallente do and sit around my home systems looking for small gang pew pew until an enemy gang rolls around, make them wait, get everyone, and go after them with a counter fleet comp or watch them run away.
But then again EvE is rock, papper, scissors, so if you play it to "win" you avoid engaging get more numbers/counter fleet comps, so both sides get apathetic towards even fighting when no one wants to fight without a numbers advantage or counter fleet comp, but hey at least button spinning forces fights (like in vlil). Sometimes you guys didn't have the magic 7:1 ratio and we got some good fights out of it rather than waiting the full hour+ for a fight, because you guys didn't have the luxury to wait for that full hour or more to get everyone because you were going to lose your home system. It lead to some really good fights, i enjoyed them, win or lose.
This could be one cause to the caldari emphasis on button spinning, is to a) get small gang pew pew since plexing offers instantaneous pew and b) if it's one of your home systems, force you to fight with little more a sense of urgency rather than boring the caldari to death by making them wait to get the perfect counter fleet comp and numbers advantage. This is my two cents anyway.
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Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
State Section 9
31
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:17:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:HazeInADaze wrote:http://fondl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16257005
Hey now, you guys got enough people together to undock. Apathy hasn't killed you yet. Will never be apathetic towards pew pew. Just button spinning :) Just wish more Cal Mil would be apathetic towards button spinning and do more fleet comps like you guys do. Respect for that. I think you're the only organization capable of bringing something out that's beyond frigs/dessies. That's sad given the large number of entities that exist in Cal Mil such as Templis, Liandri, and others. Being over there, perhaps you can shed some light as to why Cal Mil has such a huge fixation on the buttong spinning aspect of it and doesn't undock in more disciplined fleet comps which would wake the frogs from their slumber? Inb4 'because of blobing'
I wish most of calmil would run larger fleets. Took a trip down memory lane the other week speaking to an old friend about how regular BC fleets used to go up in militia channel, forming up in enaluri, going down pipe to heyd etc... and they were surprisingly successful despite comprising of 50% general militia randomly plucked from the channel. Ya know? Back in't day like?
Federation have had bigger numbers in their corps/alliances and more unity between each other for a long time now so naturally you have more success and experience with the bigger fleets and ships than most of calmil.
Also lots of internal wardecs over the past year or so has caused lots of distrust and rifts between corps/alliances
If we advertised a BC fleet in general militia now most guys would probably ask one of the following questions:
- Whats a nano-drake?
OR
- How much LP does I getzz for thatz?!?!?!
So, many many reasons I suppose why FW/calmil is in this current state but I personally am finding it a bit stale flying round in frigates looking for solo/small gang stuff. Sometimes a man needs to play with a biiig torpedo. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
195
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:33:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:
At this rate there'll be no Caldari militia members left who can actually post on the forums.
DON'T WORRY - I'll always be here fail posting.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:35:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:It's time for new blood to take over.
In the end, it's nice to see new blood entering on all sides. It seems every militia now has over 4K players in it and that's hopefully alot more pew and player driven content.
It would be awesome if FW could be responsible for the pew WITHIN FW themselves... If CCP only lets FW members enter FW plexes there would surely be more fun to be had.
And no, I don't care about the non-FW KM wh0res blurting out that plex kills account for most of their kills commenting here. Seriously pathetic to take 3-4 ships into a plex to take on a single FW noob in a frigate.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
428
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:40:00 -
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Commissar Veldt wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:HazeInADaze wrote:http://fondl.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=16257005
Hey now, you guys got enough people together to undock. Apathy hasn't killed you yet. Will never be apathetic towards pew pew. Just button spinning :) Just wish more Cal Mil would be apathetic towards button spinning and do more fleet comps like you guys do. Respect for that. I think you're the only organization capable of bringing something out that's beyond frigs/dessies. That's sad given the large number of entities that exist in Cal Mil such as Templis, Liandri, and others. Being over there, perhaps you can shed some light as to why Cal Mil has such a huge fixation on the buttong spinning aspect of it and doesn't undock in more disciplined fleet comps which would wake the frogs from their slumber? Inb4 'because of blobing' I wish most of calmil would run larger fleets. Took a trip down memory lane the other week speaking to an old friend about how regular BC fleets used to go up in militia channel, forming up in enaluri, going down pipe to heyd etc... and they were surprisingly successful despite comprising of 50% general militia randomly plucked from the channel. Ya know? Back in't day like? Federation have had bigger numbers in their corps/alliances and more unity between each other for a long time now so naturally you have more success and experience with the bigger fleets and ships than most of calmil. Also lots of internal wardecs over the past year or so has caused lots of distrust and rifts between corps/alliances If we advertised a BC fleet in general militia now most guys would probably ask one of the following questions: - Whats a nano-drake?OR - How much LP does I getzz for thatz?!?!?!So, many many reasons I suppose why FW/calmil is in this current state but I personally am finding it a bit stale flying round in frigates looking for solo/small gang stuff. Sometimes a man needs to play with a biiig torpedo.
One other reason is "the meta" has more than creeped into FW compared to the "old days". You might have a 0.0 entity barge in on a fight in the old days looking to gank both militias but in general it was the gallente vs the caldari. Now when an alliance "unaffiliated" with FW drops in it's generally because one side called them in. Everyone batphones. A lot of people say they joined FW to escape 0.0 politics and such, the fact is now they're involved in it whether they like it or not, they can just choose to not have friends or to have friends.
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Juan Rayo
Justified Chaos
38
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:28:00 -
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Tiffany Starr wrote:It's amusing how upset and angry Gallente suddenly are over soveriegnty mechanics now that they're on the losing side and not riding the CCP gravy train.
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Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
472
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Posted - 2013.02.06 23:34:00 -
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A couple comments;
Regarding the Vlill push or any home system push for that matter. If there is a hint that the opponent wants to take the system and not there for a fight, then people will eventually blob you. I think you and Amarrian Retribution wanted the GFs...most of the time. But there was a certain crazed LOLRPer who logged on after DT and was more interested in the plexing than the fights. Once our US TZ corp finally got some EU reinforcements, he never bothered coming again and ran from everything. We eventually plexed the system down.
So it gets to a point where blobbing occurs because holding the system is more important than the fight. I've been on both ends of this and have no problem with either side doing it.
As Commisar alluded to, Gallente might be able to field bigger numbers on occasion, but it requires more coordination and effort which generally turns off the veterans who don't have the patience to deal with long form up times.
Let's examine the US TZ landscape in greater detail for both sides and which corps/alliances can field a decent small gang.
Caldari:
- Happy Endings- capable of fielding 8-15 nowadays. Sometimes upwards of 20-30 like last night. But I think that's an anomaly for them.
- Brosefs- 10-15 man cruiser gang with 4 griffins to boot.
- Templis- 7-15 man gang or bigger. Haven't seen much of them recently though
- Liandri- 10-20. But usually frigs/dessies. They do cruisers once in a while if a couple of their FCs wasn't so fixated on huddling 10 frigs into a Novice plex.
Gallente:
- Sammurai Pizza Cats: 5-10 man gang on average.
- Justified Chaos: 5-8
- Villore Accords Alliance: 7-15
- Monkeys with Guns: 4-8
- Spiritus Draconis: 5-10
So judging by these numbers, US TZ FW between Caldari/Gallente is relatively healthy for small gang pew at the 10 man limit. It's just that people have to scale down their expectations of these "big fights of yesteryear" which, quite frankly, are anti-climatic as shown in Haze's BR link. It's just one side blobbing/ganking the other.
High Five. Yeah!
C'est La Eve . |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
195
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Posted - 2013.02.07 00:17:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:. But there was a certain crazed LOLRPer who logged on after DT and was more interested in the plexing than the fights.
Not very nice to say that about Val Erian. 
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
828
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Posted - 2013.02.07 02:26:00 -
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Another faction war thread derailed with gallente herp derp, and the typical complaints of "you blob!" "no you blob!" Its 2009 all over again.
Just join rvb and/or arrange your fights, and quit whining. Or you can continue crying on the forums that the enemy doesn't play the way you want. Whatever makes you happy.
Just whatever you do, don't consider that fw mechanics may be as broken as ever.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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BloodBird
Nova Foundry
26
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Posted - 2013.02.07 03:11:00 -
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Tiffany Starr wrote:LOL@all the lies and excuses on this thread...
The reason that Gallente were able to achieve T3/T4 so easily was that the CCP Ninja Patch gifted them 70+ systems, which barely needed to be upgraded to maintain T3. Meanwhile, Caldari were left with a feeble 20 or so systems that needed to be heavily upgraded just to hold T2. Once Caldari hit T1, many of the (already massively outnumbered) PVP alliances simply left militia altogether.
Now that Ev0ke evened the odds, the same Gallente who gloated about blobbing their way to free LP and 'total dominance'(LOL!) are faced with the harsh reality that they aren't getting a free ride anymore and will most likely hit T1. I realise this must be very upsetting for them.
Amusing.
Not all of the "perma-whine" Caldari have been banned yet.
Our pro-Federation Dev masters should remedy that ASAP. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
429
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Posted - 2013.02.07 04:28:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:. But there was a certain crazed LOLRPer who logged on after DT and was more interested in the plexing than the fights. Not very nice to say that about Val Erian.
Woah, woah woah, WOAH. Careful there. Post with a little wit and CCP Chatgris might ban you. 
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
196
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:24:00 -
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Super Chair wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:. But there was a certain crazed LOLRPer who logged on after DT and was more interested in the plexing than the fights. Not very nice to say that about Val Erian. Woah, woah woah, WOAH. Careful there. Post with a little wit and CCP Chatgris might ban you.
Nah - CCP Chatgris is a double agent spy just like you - You just have to know how to bribe him properly.
(Hint - Forum likes are his preferred payment type - I just hit like on all his posts and my forum privileges are guaranteed to be safe)
And importantly:
Deen - where is my Billion isk? I have refrained from flying Hookbills as per the deal and need more iskies for a carrier.
It is in your interest to pay up cause until I get that carrier, you won't be able to get a carrier killmail complete with my awesome portrait on your killboard.
Or - Maybe you don't want my portrait on your killboard cause who's gonna pay attention to your nexxy new hair style when they can look at me.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
GavinGoodrich
void.
Happy Endings
15
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Posted - 2013.02.07 08:50:00 -
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well...we sorta made it to page 2 without any whining. not the most terrible FW thread ever. |
greg01
Inglorious-Basterds
The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.02.07 09:47:00 -
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Years ago the Caldari had 100% control of the warzone. This year, The Gallente obtained 100% of the warzone! There were lots of tea and medals, including the high/low fives, shouts of victory, shouts of **** off that's not a Victory. It was a hollow victory, etc etc.
Has anyone got any ideas how this war WILL/COULD END?
Please kep trolling to a minimum here and post serious replies. I don't expect the more mature players (from both sides) to post "well you can all leave..troll"
Otherwise FW just seems to be another isk making scheme with PvP (for some) on the side......... |
Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
State Section 9
31
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Posted - 2013.02.07 10:35:00 -
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this thread has depressed me.
Im quitting and sending application to Black Rise pirate outfit and shooting everyone  |
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Commissar Veldt
Progressive State
State Section 9
31
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Posted - 2013.02.07 10:37:00 -
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greg01 wrote:"well you can all leave..troll"
Wasnt a reference to this Greg |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus
Caldari State Capturing
431
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:23:00 -
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Commissar Veldt wrote:this thread has depressed me. Im quitting and sending application to Black Rise pirate outfit and shooting everyone
Throw those spartan alliance guys a mail. Adot is pretty cool and happily shoots all caldari who jump into akidagi from ich
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Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
828
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:25:00 -
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greg01 wrote:Years ago the Caldari had 100% control of the warzone. This year, The Gallente obtained 100% of the warzone! There were lots of tea and medals, including the high/low fives, shouts of victory, shouts of **** off that's not a Victory. It was a hollow victory, etc etc.
Has anyone got any ideas how this war WILL/COULD END?
Please kep trolling to a minimum here and post serious replies. I don't expect the more mature players (from both sides) to post "well you can all leave..troll"
Otherwise FW just seems to be another isk making scheme with PvP (for some) on the side.........
Good question the point of this thread was apathy. The way to avoid apathy is to give more goals.
Ending the war? I don't think it should end. But it should be made more fun so that people don't wish it would just end already.
I think there could be some other awards given besides the one for taking all systems.
What would the actual award be? Statues of different players who contributed most vp or kills whatever, in different systems. Could be 1 statue or many. Or maybe some of the war heros would become celebrities and appear on the billboards for the faction. Maybe a corp could become a hero corp and have individual members appear etc. Or maybe a new or upgraded item in the fw store. Maybe some of the npc stations in your occupied area would switch from an enemy aligned corp to one allied with you. Or maybe a medal, etc. etc.
What sort of things could warrant one of the awards? There could be an award if you faction has the majority of systems over the course of a year. Or if your corp/alliance/individual has the most kills etc.
The revised tier system is pretty stagnant. What do you get for orbitting buttons for hours on end? The opportunity to make a little more isk for orbitting buttons even more hours on end! And the opportunity to see alts make the big money after you worked for scratch. The old cashouts was better in many different ways. It paid the people who got the militia there not the latecomers and after you got there you could just pvp and try to kill the enemy as they tried to retake system. The old cashouts paid too much (and should have been nerfed instead of completely changed) and there was too much farming due to other problems, but it did offer an intermediate goal for the militias that they could celebrate. It also lead to some amount of strategy.
But I know allot of posters here told hans they prefered the current system and will never admit it the old cashouts was better. They will complain about farmers and the high payouts that had nothing to do with the actual cashout system.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
1037
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Posted - 2013.02.07 15:59:00 -
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greg01 wrote:Has anyone got any ideas how this war WILL/COULD END? It can end for you pretty easily, leave.
No, wait. "We will not give up the fight until that Caldari Titan leaves Luminaire. Until that day comes I will continue to terrorize and pod Caldari militia pilots non-stop! If Tibus Heath cares about you, then he will order it removed and he will have the Caldari miitia vacate all of Gallente Space - Essence, Verge Vendor, Placid and Southern Black Rise."
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SAJUK NIGARRA
Shadows Of The Federation
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
116
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Posted - 2013.02.07 16:24:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:
and need more iskies for a carrier.
What sort of carrier ? |
Ctzn Snips
Justified Chaos
17
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:12:00 -
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We're doomed guys.
Kills in last week: Caldari: 2013 ---- Gallente: 3318
Oh wait, I forgot Ev0ke won't fight without 3:1 odds with EWAR, and Brosefs farm between their semi-weekly bridge onto lone BC's. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
474
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Posted - 2013.02.07 19:49:00 -
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GavinGoodrich wrote:well...we sorta made it to page 2 without any whining. not the most terrible FW thread ever.
Gavin- I insist that you take on the burden of leading semi-public fleets of 40 and teaching the next generation of Caldari pilots what a nano drake is. If not for your people then for all the AFKers docked up in Nenn waiting for that next big epic fight
High Five. Yeah!
C'est La Eve . |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
Caldari State Capturing
201
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Posted - 2013.02.07 21:15:00 -
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SAJUK NIGARRA wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:
and need more iskies for a carrier.
What sort of carrier ?
The type Deens helping me pay for.
Fix this **** See Sea Pea. |
Abannan
Justified Chaos
71
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Posted - 2013.02.08 10:54:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:. But there was a certain crazed LOLRPer who logged on after DT and was more interested in the plexing than the fights. Not very nice to say that about Val Erian.
Oh god I lol'd ;D |
The RUS Hunter
The WIzards of the Eyes
4
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:11:00 -
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The more I see of these FW thread the less I believe my stance that FW should be forced to end. It should be kept as a containtment system to protect the rest of EVE from your supreme failures. All of you that take this seriously. |
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