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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2898
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:46:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:hey there,
i am not a big insider when it comes to game mechanics and such, but I perceive a certain trend or situation in eve right now. for me it seems like smaller corps / alliances will not be able to "set their mark" in eve or (a term that I like) "stake their claim on 0.0 space. 800 man alliance with 2 allies that is the 14th largest alliance in the game sup |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2898
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:48:00 -
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ask me anything about ~space relevance~ |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1608
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Posted - 2013.02.05 17:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:If you decide to create a small business that produces a product or service that a huge multi-billion dollar corporation already produces better and cheaper than you can, you deserve to get stomped out of existence. Small businesses should stick to doing things they can do better than the "big boys" can.
This is hard to understand why?
Because it's flawed logic. They can't possibly compete, or do anything better than a multinational with more resources. If you haven't noticed the effect of a new Wal-Mart on small businesses within a community you're just not paying attention.
What you're advocating is essentially the destruction of all small business because you can get cheaper stuff elsewhere, which makes it ok. "The nice thing about quotes is that they give us a nodding acquaintance with the originator which is often socially impressive." ~Kenneth Williams |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6587
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:10:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Andski wrote:you see, sov 0.0 isn't supposed to cater to your risk-averse, ... Nerf local. No?
as a policy i do not consider the opinions of NPC alts or honorary NPC alts ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Murk Paradox
Dvice Shipyards No Value
249
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Bane Necran wrote:Always amused by these threads.
It's like telling a small business to just become a billion dollar multinational corporation if it wants to compete with them. If they can't do that, then they're just bad at business, right? Yes. If you decide to create a small business that produces a product or service that a huge multi-billion dollar corporation already produces better and cheaper than you can, you deserve to get stomped out of existence. Small businesses should stick to doing things they can do better than the "big boys" can. This is hard to understand why?
Sounds like a counter argument as to why industry should not be increased in null but be dominated by highsec as it is.
Not why they cannot be a part of sov. Most small businesses are indeed a part of a community that regularly meets on a weekly basis (town hall etc).
The bigger coalitions made of smaller corporations would be more akin to your example than a new group just starting out. "I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC."-á -TheGunslinger42 Proud enforcer of the Code, see [url]http://www.minerbumping.com[/url]-á for details. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1285
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Posted - 2013.02.05 18:52:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:If you decide to create a small business that produces a product or service that a huge multi-billion dollar corporation already produces better and cheaper than you can, you deserve to get stomped out of existence. Small businesses should stick to doing things they can do better than the "big boys" can.
This is hard to understand why?
Because it's flawed logic. They can't possibly compete, or do anything better than a multinational with more resources. If you haven't noticed the effect of a new Wal-Mart on small businesses within a community you're just not paying attention.
Sure, i see what Wal-mart does to small businesses. My message to those small businesses is "tough luck, do something else".
[/quote] What you're advocating is essentially the destruction of all small business because you can get cheaper stuff elsewhere, which makes it ok. They shouldn't have tried to compete with the 'big boys' in the first place.[/quote]
Nope, small businesses can survive by NOT competing with wal-mart, but by finding a niche it's hard for a big ponderous thing like Wal-mart to do. Like the mom and pop hardware store in my dad's home town. They knew they couldn't compete with cheap tools and materials from wal-mart, so they morphed their business into a "come to you" home repair business that buys cheap materials and tools....from wal-mart (and Home Depot) and survived.
Or they coulda done a "Bane Necran" and expected the gubmint to some how artifically level the playing filed so they could compete with wal-mart on wal-mart's turf while producing an inferior product/service.
This is basically what the "make small groups able to compete in null sec" want, the government (CCP) to somehow prop them up so they can take sov. They don't understand that anything ccp does to support small alliances will just make large alliances that much more of a problem....
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Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:16:00 -
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First off, holding sov in 2 systems does not make you an empire. That is a petty kingdom.
Empires are defined by being multi-ethnic/cultural. Current sov holding alliances can be called empires because they include corporations from a variety of backgrounds all working together. For example, GoonSwarm Federation has French, Dutch and Russian corporations as well as the typical US-centric/English speaking corps, and corps that specialize in PvP and others that do industry, and so on.
There is a place for small corporations in sov nullsec. That place is doing your part to help the empire as a whole.
Holding sov with a small group is just plain more trouble than it is worth. The cost of the sov structures you need to drop. The sov fees that need to be paid. The logistics for all the stuff you want to do there. Big alliances make it look easy because we have more people to spread all the work around with. Huge teams of people who specialize in shooting/defending structures. Huge teams of people doing importing/exporting. Teams to fuel all the POS. Teams to build capital ships in the quantities we need.
Wormholes are for the small groups interested in small holdings. You get a lot of nullsec quality stuff, but without having to drop/shoot sov structures and without the minimum 180mil/month/system sov bills. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7567
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:23:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:also: I -¦ve been playing MMO-¦s for close to 15 years now and I dont have the illusion anymore that i can compete with some jobless creature that dwells online all the time. Neither do I want that. That time is over. But uunless you have a coalition / alliance that can field about 250 pilots 23/7 , taking and maintaninign sov is impossible. is it not ?
if it wasnt, then i wonder why not hundreds of alliances constantly chip and gnawl away from those large powerblocks.
they know its a waste of time, a battle not possible to win.
so i pose the question: is the battle for and goal to gain sov space merely an illusion ? a bubble about to burst when the first of many cynos is lit when you just formed up your 25 men fleet to defend what you just built ?
I cite the example of TEST, which was literally formed by a bunch of noobs from Reddit. They've done pretty well for themselves, wouldn't you say?
The main reason they have succeeded is that they weren't above working with others. Trying to explain away their success as being "jobless creatures" is just Othering and making excuses.
Every single entity in sov 0.0 has always worked with other groups. If you want yours to succeed also, you'll have to do the same. Diplomacy is part of politics as much as war is. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Felicity Love
STARKRAFT
214
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Posted - 2013.02.05 19:36:00 -
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Wouldn't worry about it.
Sooner or later "somebody" will get bored, a change in game mechanics may occur, or both, and the map will change around again.
Summers, usually, when folks have more time to fly spaceships and plot nasty plots.
Until then, it's sort of like saving your raisins for Sunday.
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Grab Stuff
The Royal Assassin's
0
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:40:00 -
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Taking sovereignty is the easy bit, its holding that system that's the problem
I've seen one guy get sovereignty on his own, I was totally blown away that he managed it. of course he had no illusions this would last, was more of an experiment. but he got and held a null system for about a day before the inevitable blobs arrived. EVE got a bit shinier for me that day, that was cool
I think the only real way to make this sort of thing a possibility is to limit the amount of systems a group can hold, only thing I can think of is an exponentially increasing cost per system held by alliance.
Although I'm seeing some hope if the POS changes spoken about happen, a hidden away POS might be just what the doctor ordered. That's what keeps me out of null personally, no safe base of operations, its either join the horde or stay out.
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2013.02.05 20:42:00 -
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Andski wrote:Malphilos wrote:Andski wrote:you see, sov 0.0 isn't supposed to cater to your risk-averse, ... Nerf local. No? as a policy i do not consider the opinions of NPC alts or honorary NPC alts
As a policy I graciously accept your tap-out. |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
1231
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Posted - 2013.02.06 03:35:00 -
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Shanara As wrote: so what ways are there for small corps / alliances to leave their mark / stake their claim?
NPC nullsec. All the perks of nullsec, plus stations you can never lose, and you never have to worry about Sov. If you can control a chunk of that then it's a good first step towards being able to control a chunk of sov space. Of course NPC null has disadvantages too - neutrals can dock at the stations too so station games are the order of the day, there are no jump-bridges or ihubs, etc. But hell, it's a starting place for "small" corps. You'll get plenty of practice.
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Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
377
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Posted - 2013.02.06 03:42:00 -
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its called wormhole space. plenty of us have our own empires in the unknown. and most can give a **** about 0.0 and vice versa. i like it that way |
Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
14
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Posted - 2013.02.06 04:24:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Man, i know where you are coming from.
Just yesterday I tried to Invade the State of Florida with 4 boy scouts and a swiss Army Knife, and then all of a sudden a U.S. Army Brigade Blobbed us (Hotdropped out of black hawk helicopters no less) and we couldn't take Sov. Then some Customs Agents camped us in the port and it was a mess.
Don't worry, I posted on the United Nations forum and told them real life was unbalanced, I expect action soon.
Honestly, as trolly and useless as this persons response seems to be, they essentially had it right.
You aren't going to be the next biggest alliance unless you do a lot of work, kiss a lot of ass, and have the right connections to make it happen.
Same thing in real life.
As The Mittani said in an interview I recall reading, those successful alliances are usually composed of out of game communities. Many of them being communities long before they even made the jump to EVE, and some of them are even older than EVE itself.
This is completely different than say a first person shooter game, where a group of people can make themselves known, simply by being good at the game and going to tournaments.
It's sad, but I do believe EVE is a good representation of real life that way. You aren't going to be President unless you kiss your fair share of assess.
But when you do make it, expect to have your ass kissed quite a bit. le mittani
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Bane Necran
Appono Astos
1611
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Posted - 2013.02.06 05:07:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nope, small businesses can survive by NOT competing with wal-mart, but by finding a niche it's hard for a big ponderous thing like Wal-mart to do. Like the mom and pop hardware store in my dad's home town. They knew they couldn't compete with cheap tools and materials from wal-mart, so they morphed their business into a "come to you" home repair business that buys cheap materials and tools....from wal-mart (and Home Depot) and survived.
Until a multinational does that better and cheaper, putting them out of business, and people like you show up to tell them "tough luck".
But back to EVE: There isn't a variety of ways for a smaller independent alliance to carve out a place for itself in 0.0. They simply can't compete with larger alliances, so my example still applies. "In the void is virtue, and no evil. Wisdom has existence, principle has existence, the Way has existence, spirit is nothingness." ~Miyamoto Musashi |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1293
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Posted - 2013.02.06 05:38:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:
Until a multinational does that better and cheaper, putting them out of business, and people like you show up to tell them "tough luck".
Yep, life is about adaptation. The alternative is some unsustainable feel good socialist BS to prop up innefficent small businesses.
No Thanks
Quote: But back to EVE: There isn't a variety of ways for a smaller independent alliance to carve out a place for itself in 0.0. They simply can't compete with larger alliances, so my example still applies.
Nor does their need to be a variety of ways for "small alliances" to be able to hold sov. A small alliance wants to exist in null, they better learn how to live out of a few carriers guerilla warfare style, or get used to NPC null.
Like in the real life example, the only alternative is some feel good/game destorying artificial BS to prop up weak small alliances.
No thanks. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1293
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Posted - 2013.02.06 05:40:00 -
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Agustice Arterius wrote:
Honestly, as trolly and useless as this persons response seems to be, they essentially had it right.
Too bad some people have no sense of humor. |
Agustice Arterius
Couch Athletics
14
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Posted - 2013.02.06 06:28:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
Too bad some people have no sense of humor.
I agree. But when somebody is extremely fervent on an issue, as I pictured the OP being, poking fun at what they are trying to say is a sure fire way to get people butt mads, and they may overlook what you are hinting at. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2013.02.06 11:16:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nor does their need to be a variety of ways for "small alliances" to be able to hold sov. A small alliance wants to exist in null, they better learn how to live out of a few carriers guerilla warfare style, or get used to NPC null.
Like in the real life example, the only alternative is some feel good/game destorying artificial BS to prop up weak small alliances.
No thanks. TIme for NPCs to intervene, the new CONCORD Legion helps "small" alliances. Suddenly, altalliances spring up with sov everywhere. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
572
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Posted - 2013.02.06 11:19:00 -
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Agustice Arterius wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Too bad some people have no sense of humor.
I agree. But when somebody is extremely fervent on an issue, as I pictured the OP being, poking fun at what they are trying to say is a sure fire way to get people butt mads, and they may overlook what you are hinting at.
oh well. i see this thread gained some steam. and the posts show that I am not the only one thinking what I think about sov.
i wont get into too much details about most posts but let me put it this way:
1. small corp / alliance being asocial (was mentioned here somewhere)
why on earth would some human with a functional brain think that i am talking about me myslef and I having the idea of takling sov ? i merely made a point. when you get together a functioning group / corp with lets say 20-40 people... thats asocical I bet you thats this groupd most of the time will work much better and efficient together than much much larger entities.....
2. sov space is for large alliances (how large i didn not find anywhere exactly) only
yeah but why is that so ? because the situation as it currently is does not allow anything else. nothing more, nothing less. imagine a brand new galaxy / set of systems. assuming smaller allaiances have the isk to get the modules / infrastructures, they should be able to get in there and pitch their tent... but in the current ecosystem its just "jabber-ping -> 250 - 2000 people blob the hell outta them"
very nice.....
3. smaller companies cannot compete with bigger ones, they have to find themselve a niche
i agree, in the real world. too bad eve is just not that diverse. when a single player can built carriers, will specializing in that area of business really be helpful ? guess not. because others can do it too. he gains NOTHING in eve for being smaller and more flexible as he would be in real life because the basic processes like production, research and even travel or mining is always capped -> their is a maximum speed one can attain and thats it. you can specialize all you want, you will only be as fast / good as others because of skills and game mechanics. there are already certain ways to do things (set up PI, organize production chains, hell even Fit a ship for specific purposes) that are proven to work. so what exactly would that niche be ?
4. go to npc-null, its the same but without the hassle.
true and in fact thats where my main lives. its hell of fun and i love it way more than my former experiences in sov-0.0. still i dream of my own "petty kingdom" as one other dude in here has put it. yeah its a petty kingdom, but it will be mine / our kingdom...and thats a difference. also i think the "disadvantage" of having to pay 180Mill / month for sov is not worth mentioning as i can make that much isk by even ratting in belt in three days time using nothing more than a drake. so yeah, sov is ohh so expensive.
"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn-¦t wanna listen, talks the most"
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3778
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Posted - 2013.02.06 11:54:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Bane Necran wrote:
Until a multinational does that better and cheaper, putting them out of business, and people like you show up to tell them "tough luck".
Yep, life is about adaptation. The alternative is some unsustainable feel good socialist BS to prop up innefficent small businesses. No Thanks
Wonder why the USA did not directly give their keys to China since they are more efficient at industry, but instead are flooding the currency markets to keep their money under-appreciated, like they want to avoid that. Those USA socialists... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
236
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:01:00 -
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Quote:thx for your input. what you imply is that all alliances that try to carve their space and failed in recent history had the wrong mindset, which i seriously doubt. its just that as the saying goes: theres always a bigger fish in the water
I could write a series of books sighting examples that prove this to be completetly and totally untrue, starting with every major alliance in power today which where all small fish that claimed their stakes from big fish.
Your a small fish until your a big fish.. what you are doing is effectively proclaiming that its impossible to beat the big fish, despite the fact that every big fish in the game has already been beaten by a small fish with no exceptions at some point in time and has been themselves a small fish facing big fish at some poitn in time. Every advantage you "think" they have is in your mind and is not a reality.
The only thing keeping big alliances in power today is their reluctance to fight. The moment a small fishe rises to the challenge of taking down one of the big fish.. the big fish extends their hand and welcomes them to the blue circle jerk club. This and only this is the reason why large blocs exist unchallenged today, its not because people can't challenge them, its that there is zero reason to. Whats the point of waging months of war, spending hundreds of hours and billions of ISK to claim SOV from someone when the person who controls wants to blue up with you and give you access to it without a fight.
This isn't just happening in SOV alliances either, its happening in low sec as well. Everytime my crew moves in on someones territory suddenly I get "lets be friends" emails from all the major pirate corps in the area and when its all done their is no longer any reason to actually be there except the occassion chump that strolls in through the gate at the wrong time.
Eve needs less Mittani's and more Montolio's.. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
158
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:07:00 -
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Just saying, the biggest groups in EVE have the advantage of outside blood, they have access to a much bigger potential member pool than most corps due to their ability to entice new players into the game, and their crazy powers of absorbing all the other corps under an alliance banner
Might be wrong about this, probably am Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them |
Shanara As
Psy Corp Ltd.
573
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:26:00 -
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Zol Interbottom wrote:Just saying, the biggest groups in EVE have the advantage of outside blood, they have access to a much bigger potential member pool than most corps due to their ability to entice new players into the game, and their crazy powers of absorbing all the other corps under an alliance banner
Might be wrong about this, probably am
i dont think you are but i -¦ve been called many things, including wrong.
one of the reasons i am not buying the argument "everyone can do what they did" and think its total BS.
how long since theres basically four colors on the eve sov map ? lets make it three. HBC, CFC and the red stuff.
how many major changes happened ?
numbers will always beat skill, some recent wars have very much shown and proved that. its a shame but its a fact. i strongly beleive that as a small corp / alliance you can seriously bugger those large powerblocks, but really "challenge" them ? c-¦mon, lets be honest about that. how do you challenge soemthing with several 250 men fleets ?
i mean its not even possible (with the current mechanics as they are) to stand up against the worst pvp-fleets in existence if they have more numbers and use hotdrops in any situation possible,. sure you can adapt and evade, win the occasional battle and / or even kick their asses once in a while, but really beat them ?? put that in larger context and you have the current sov problematic we are discussing.
whith the current very constructive advices listed here, the only option i see is the following: a: earn a gazillion isk by doing boring stuff, all the while networking the **** ou of the ingame and out-of-game channels and recruit (why they would join at this point does elude me somehow though), and then go to war and "take whats rightfully yours"
option b: give up about the idea of ever having sov for a prolonged time without having to kiss asses, blue everyone / someone larger (selling out)
because option c: start small, annoy and fight and get momentum as you do is just not possible. i have yet to experience a fleet op in CFC (in my short but memorable time in there) where of 200-400 pilots logged in, about 140-200 people simply do something else once they learn that the opponent for the day is a small, 50 man corp with some POS-¦s and TCU-¦s.
if that ever happens, write me a mail please
"Gotta spend money to make money" "A fool talks, a wise man listens" "He who doesn-¦t wanna listen, talks the most"
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
307
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:29:00 -
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra wrote:So you have already set your mind that if your alliance goes and claims a chunk of 0.0, you all will die and fail horribly.
And then you wonder if it's out of the question to do carve an empire for your alliance in 0.0.
Let me tell you something With that mentality, yes it is.
If you want something you have to go after it. If you are expecting that someone will handle you and your alliance a place to live in 0.0, just because, you are gravely mistaken.
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
307
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Posted - 2013.02.06 12:37:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Quote:thx for your input. what you imply is that all alliances that try to carve their space and failed in recent history had the wrong mindset, which i seriously doubt. its just that as the saying goes: theres always a bigger fish in the water I could write a series of books sighting examples that prove this to be completetly and totally untrue, starting with every major alliance in power today which where all small fish that claimed their stakes from big fish. Your a small fish until your a big fish.. what you are doing is effectively proclaiming that its impossible to beat the big fish, despite the fact that every big fish in the game has already been beaten by a small fish with no exceptions at some point in time and has been themselves a small fish facing big fish at some poitn in time. Every advantage you "think" they have is in your mind and is not a reality. The only thing keeping big alliances in power today is their reluctance to fight. The moment a small fishe rises to the challenge of taking down one of the big fish.. the big fish extends their hand and welcomes them to the blue circle jerk club. This and only this is the reason why large blocs exist unchallenged today, its not because people can't challenge them, its that there is zero reason to. Whats the point of waging months of war, spending hundreds of hours and billions of ISK to claim SOV from someone when the person who controls wants to blue up with you and give you access to it without a fight. This isn't just happening in SOV alliances either, its happening in low sec as well. Everytime my crew moves in on someones territory suddenly I get "lets be friends" emails from all the major pirate corps in the area and when its all done their is no longer any reason to actually be there except the occassion chump that strolls in through the gate at the wrong time. Eve needs less Mittani's and more Montolio's..
You know, it's not entirely correct. The thing is that this problem has sort of evolved over time and is still constantly evolving...for the worse. I can safely say that 3-4 years ago the situation was very different compared to today.
Or if I put it another way: if nothing changes, as time goes on it will just keep getting even harder and harder for small entities to "claim a stake" by themselves. In fact the battle of Asakai more or less confirms this in that there were many who said that: "this battle hardly made a dent in the wallets".
This sort of hints of how bad the situation really is today compared to even a couple of years ago. And it ain't getting better. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1296
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Posted - 2013.02.06 13:26:00 -
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Agustice Arterius wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:
Too bad some people have no sense of humor.
I agree. But when somebody is extremely fervent on an issue, as I pictured the OP being, poking fun at what they are trying to say is a sure fire way to get people butt mads, and they may overlook what you are hinting at.
If a person can't handle some good Natured ribbing (of an aweful set of ideas) they have no business posting stuff on the internet. The OP is so absurd that the only real way to comment is with the same thing.
The point is that sometims things work the way they do for a reason, and trying to change that adds complications. Complications lead to broken/exploitable content and features that both make the game worse AND soak up a lot of developer time/money that could be better spent elsewhere.
CCP knows all of this which is why they are generally cautious, so things like the OP aren't a big deal. It would be nice if people would self-scrutinize their opinions for flaws before posting them though.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1296
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Posted - 2013.02.06 13:31:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Bane Necran wrote:
Until a multinational does that better and cheaper, putting them out of business, and people like you show up to tell them "tough luck".
Yep, life is about adaptation. The alternative is some unsustainable feel good socialist BS to prop up innefficent small businesses. No Thanks Wonder why the USA did not directly give their keys to China since they are more efficient at industry, but instead are flooding the currency markets to keep their money under-appreciated, like they want to avoid that. Those USA socialists...
Exactly. As an American I won't be butt-hurt over the fact that China is doing things better than we are, WE are the ones allowing it to happen with our individual and national choices. But many other people don't see it that way, they think "someone should fix this" rather than saying WE should do a better job of things.
People like the OP and "small alliances" are doing the same thing. Rather than those small alliances banding together to make big coalitions that can roflstop the Goons and Test or whoever , they want CCP to make up some artificial BS to give them an advantage.....
....Not understanding that any advantage that CCP tries to give will simply be exploited by the big boys. I suspect that why we don't see those "small holding" hidden player owned bases CCP used to talk about, because they know that rather than being some kind of access point for 0.0 solo players, it will just become another tool of control for the power blocks.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1296
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Posted - 2013.02.06 13:53:00 -
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Shanara As wrote:[quote=Zol Interbottom]
how long since theres basically four colors on the eve sov map ? lets make it three. HBC, CFC and the red stuff.
This is the problem with people not looking at HISTORY.
Since the 1st day I've played it's been the same thing: OMG the power blocks controll null sec. It was BoB when i started playing, later it was the super massive "Northern Coalition" and "Teh Russkis" that was "going to blue all of null sec". After NC got dismatled it was GEWNS, then GEWNS and TEST. Next year it will be something totally different as Goons and Test are going at each other.
Don't you people see. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. Human nature dictates that any "super coalition" that forms in the game will eventually do it self in OR make so many enemies that the entire EVE universe will eventually Sack them.
For some reason, some people have this tendency to look at the past through "rose colored glasses" and think "wow, the past rocks, the present sucks". It happens all the time in real life , and pretty much just means you're getting older. The real truth is Null sec is probably in better shape now than when I started playing (the 1st time) in 2007. |
Agustice Arterius
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Jenn aSide wrote:
If a person can't handle some good Natured ribbing (of an aweful set of ideas) they have no business posting stuff on the internet. The OP is so absurd that the only real way to comment is with the same thing.
It would be nice if people would self-scrutinize their opinions for flaws before posting them though.
"I can be an *******. This is the internet."
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I mean, I agree with all your reasoning.
Just saying. |
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