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RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.07 03:06:00 -
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Get them from your fleet support or anchor a GSC. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:45:00 -
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Knorkor wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Get them from your fleet support or anchor a GSC. Why do you assume there is a fleet all the time? There is not. I still use a Hulk. Mackinaw has 100m3 more and can have all mining crystals in cargo. There is no reason for the Hulk not having enough cargo for that.
The Hulk is designed for mining with Hauler Support. The Mackinaw is designed for solo mining.
You are using a hammer to put a screw into a 2x4 and complaining that it is hard.
Anchor a GSC. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.07 05:50:00 -
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Then maybe this fit is for you.
I'll repeat. You are using a Hammer to drive a Screw into a 2x4 and complaining that it doesn't work well.
[Hulk, EHRMEGERD Crystals]
Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
[Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot] [Empty Med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Medium Cargohold Optimization II Medium Cargohold Optimization II This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
Sniggwaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.08 03:25:00 -
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Intar Medris wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Then maybe this fit is for you.
I'll repeat. You are using a Hammer to drive a Screw into a 2x4 and complaining that it doesn't work well.
[Hulk, EHRMEGERD Crystals] God that fit asking to be ganked. Seriously you need Invulnablity Feild or two, and a survey scanner. Maybe even fit a shield booster in case of emergency. And no shield rigs? You're more defenseless than a new born baby.
Maybe the name of the fit could have been a clue.
Also, Shield Boosters to help save you from ganks? 
Knorkor wrote: Yup, that is why I would not use it. I use a tank fit, especially since I am in 0.0. But does not matter, I bought a macki and it can hold all the crystals I need while only losing about 150m3 yield per minute. To be honest, I still want that change since I see no reason why the mack should be able to carry a wide variety of crystals while the Hulk is not.
Because, as has been pointed out to you numerous times, the Mackinaw is designed for Solo mining, and the Hulk is designed for use with fleet support. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.12 23:36:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:i agree with this, if i had to agree with anything.
ccp say they like choices, so a cargo hold big enough for *exactly* three of each type of crystal (minus one, as they will already be in the strips) plus 25m3 spare so you can swap crystals due to the bad coding is the no brainer. your choice is then have crystals for every ore, so you're prepared for every situation, or alternatively sacrifice some types of ore in order to carry reloads.
it's a choice, ccp like choices, right?
That's not a significant "choice" given that there's no reason to carry spares of something you only need to replace once every 8+hrs.
A real choice would be "which mining crystals should I bring with me to mine this belt" or "should I assign different Hulks in my fleet to specialize on different ores in the belt."
... well hey... This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.13 07:43:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:RubyPorto wrote:That's not a significant "choice" given that there's no reason to carry spares of something you only need to replace once every 8+hrs.
A real choice would be "which mining crystals should I bring with me to mine this belt" or "should I assign different Hulks in my fleet to specialize on different ores in the belt."
... well hey... that's not really a choice. that's "i need crystals, i shall bring them. then i will need to go out of my way to change them because if i'm mining anywhere that's not high sec i won't have enough room for enough types of crystal" there's really no choice in the matter, you either have the sufficient crystals or you don't due to the low cargo limit not because of what you put in said cargo bay. you're not making the choice, the choice is thrust upon you. not to mention unless you recycle all part-damaged crystals at the end of the day there's always a need for replacements. just for the record though; i really don't care, i'm just playing devils advocate here.
If you're not running with a fleet (which implies hauling support) why use a Hulk?
Even if you recycle them, they last ~8 hours. Your hauling support should show up more than once every 8 hours.
Outside of HS, you have massive Roids which means that if you're solo, you'll have to head back to empty your ore bay long before you'll need to change asteroids. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.13 16:31:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:but outside of high sec jetcan mining is perfectly viable.
truth be told i find the hulk fine but i honestly see no reason why more space for crystals would be such an issue. they don't have a problem with the skiff or mackinaw carrying a full compliment of crystals so why would it be such an issue for the hulk? or do they think tedium makes mining more interesting?
And the Jetcans will evaporate long before your crystals break (or are ready for recycling). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.14 04:36:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:anyway that really has nothing to do with the fact that giving more cargo space would/wouldn't break the game. as i said, there's really no reason not to give the hulk more cargo space, it just removes tedium from the game.
"It wouldn't break the game." What a great reason for buffing things.
If anchoring a GSC, using some of your infinitely recycled jetcan space, or having your fleetmate in the hauler provide you with the crystals you need is too much effort for you, the Hulk is not for you.
By the way. 1.1m m3 is about 12hrs of a Hulk mining solo. That will break around 1.5 sets of crystals. You have space for more than 1.5 sets of crystals, and hidden belts have more than enough Ore to allow you to plan ahead and never have to return for more crystals in those 12 hours (at the end of which, I'll remind you, you're returning to grab your Freighter). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:14:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: Well considering since the new freight containers were introduced there is no need to jetcan mine with actual jetcans. A freight container, while no more secure than a jetcan holds far more, up to 250,000m3, and will never despawn. At least the freight cans I have had sitting at a safe spot since the patch a few months ago have not popped yet.
True you need to drop them off in the belt with another ship, but the enormous freight container is only 2500m3 packaged. And can be jettisoned from a packaged state. I have tested this. So you only need a ship with 2500m3 cargo to drop off a can that will hold 250,000m3. It will not pop after 1-2 hours like a jetcan. and you will spend some time to fill it. Although you then need a freighter to scoop it, any hauler can pick up ore from the can.
These freight containers can be strategically placed through the belt just like GSC's. Only down side is they can not be locked, so are no more secure than jetcans.
So fill them with crystals when you drop them off. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2013.02.14 20:56:00 -
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Kate stark wrote: again, all it does is add tedium. there's really no reason to add tedium to the game.
The only thing adding tedium is your choice to us an inappropriate tool for the job and refusing to adapt that tool (cargo expand your Hulk and you'll have plenty of space). This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |
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