do i get Information Warfare V, Armored Warfare V, Skirmish Warfare V and Siege Warfare V for free in the next expansion?
That's a hell of a lot of SP for free!

I like this deal. I suggest everyone should skill HACs, HICS and Command Ships until summer.
If i got that right (and if I don't get those skills, this would be my reason to quit eve), you basically get:

Inf WF V
Arm WF V
Skrim WF V
Siege WF V
Energy Grid Upgrades V
Energy Management IV
for free!

no, instead if you have 'paid your dues' by training the pre-reqs as it were, you'll possibly get penalized because the dues have been renewed (but this is still under discussion), so you have to do it twice.

the example of the minmatar freighter - the fenrir:
* trained minmatar freighter 4 following the current rules (including minmatar industrial to 5, the most significant pre-requisite)
* if i want freighter 5, i must now also train advanced ss command 5 to be able to train 4->5 (??)
* the significant prereq that was industrial 5 no longer matters.

.. tbh I hope it's decided that pre-requisites are checked only when the skillbook is injected.

no, instead if you have 'paid your dues' by training the pre-reqs as it were, you'll possibly get penalized because the dues have been renewed (but this is still under discussion), so you have to do it twice.

the example of the minmatar freighter - the fenrir:
* trained minmatar freighter 4 following the current rules (including minmatar industrial to 5, the most significant pre-requisite)
* if i want freighter 5, i must now also train advanced ss command 5 to be able to train 4->5 (??)
* the significant prereq that was industrial 5 no longer matters.

.. tbh I hope it's decided that pre-requisites are checked only when the skillbook is injected.

This is also wrong.

The pre-reqs for a skill are only checked when you inject the skill, not when you try and train a new level.

Please go back and re-read what Fozzie wrote again SLOWLY and CAREFULLY.

Just to clarify one valid question.


Even if the prerequisites change, you can still fly the ship as long as you had the main skill before the overhaul. This is not in question here.
However, if the prerequisites change, you cannot train the skill until the new prerequisites are met].

Ex:

You have Amarr Freighter 1 after the change but not Advanced Spaceship Command 5. You can still fly the Providence, but not train Amarr Freighter past 1 until you have Advanced Spaceship Command 5 trained.

We are considering changing this so you can still train the skill even after the prerequisites are changed, we'll keep you posted as soon we have an answer.

Wrong dev. CCP Ytterbium wrote:



So, actually, the current answer, directly from the author of the dev blog, is that you can't train a skill you don't have the prerequisites for, even if you had the prerequisites when you first injected the skill. They're talking about changing that, but they've concluded nothing.

And also, goddamned forums.

If i got that right (and if I don't get those skills, this would be my reason to quit eve),

i really want to get one of those "bro do you even lift" pictures and change it to reading not lifting....

Such a thing already exists, in MLP form.

if I don't get those skills, this would be my reason to quit eve!

Pre-reqs are just that, PRE-requirements to inject skills.

They are not required if you already have the skill injected, nor are they required when training already injected skills.

test it's not really good when your latest random recruits are actually worse pubbies than npc alts

These threads remind me of that kid in my OOP class that waits until the professor is done explaining what inheritance is to raise his hand and say "so wait, what do public and private mean?"

Actually it has been confirmed in the real dev blog discussion thread that it is required for further training. They are discussing changing that but no decision made yet.

However yes, to fly, just need the skill injected.

I stand corrected. I had not seen Ytterbium's post on that.
And also, goddamned forums.

first year of university.
accounting lecture
teacher spent 20 mins explaining 3/4 = 75% = 0.75.

Yep. Sounds like my calc 3 professor who explained Cartesian coordinates by using a corner of the room as the example.

uh, it's an angle and...
wait, no that's polar?

wait, a calculus professor had to explain basic Cartesian coordinates?

.. tbh I hope it's decided that pre-requisites are checked only when the skillbook is injected.