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N1fty
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Posted - 2005.07.17 23:20:00 -
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I just found out about this other voice over IP software; Ventrilo, people have been saying its better than Teamspeak, in what ways is it better? In what ways is teamspeak better?
Constructive feedback only please, dont just fanboy your particular software, because thats not cool.
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Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.07.17 23:22:00 -
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imo ventrilo is rubish, there is no cross chanel chating
 Originally by: Eris Discordia
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Yarrick
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Posted - 2005.07.17 23:26:00 -
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I've found that Ventrillo is more suited to a single corp than an Alliance. In my past experiance the quality has been far superior to Teamspeak in every way. But when it comes to big groups Ventrillo decreased dramatically in Quality and becomes almost useless, whereas Teamspeak excells in this area, somehow it is able to provide far superior quality then that of Ventrillo when handling Alliance size numbers. Why and how I don't have a clue.
Hope that helped.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.17 23:31:00 -
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The people that use Ventrilo are the only ones that say it's better. Teamspeak all the way for us.
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.17 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Avalon Beholder on 17/07/2005 23:36:54
Im going to say this in bold because 9900000 dumbasses will dispute it and one already has.
- "How good it sounds" or "How clear it is" is ENTIRELY determined by the codec and your speakers.
- ANY codec used by Ventrillo and a LOT LOT LOT more are available in Teamspeak
- THE DEFAULT codec in TS is LOWER than the DEFAULT codec in Vent. This is the reason IDIOTs say Vent is better.
Anyone who in the rest of this thread claims Vent is better sound quality than TS when they are identical, needs to go back to school for comprehension lessons.
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MadGaz
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Posted - 2005.07.17 23:44:00 -
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Vent for smaller numbers.
TS for larger.
Easy as that.
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DeMundus
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Posted - 2005.07.18 00:19:00 -
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Never tried ventrilo, never i going to try it. TS does what it is suppose to and does it well.
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Balazs Simon
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Posted - 2005.07.18 00:23:00 -
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TS is good for large ops..
Ventrilo is much better quality and lag / ping vise..
we use Ventrilo for corp chat and TS for alliance chat..
the 2 program can run at the same time.
for example in combat operations, when everyoen on the smae channel, and only commanders speaking.. ventrilo is much better IMHO because you can just understand everyone much better than in TS...
IMHO
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Swedish Bob
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Posted - 2005.07.18 00:39:00 -
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What I would like is the ability to hotkey my listen and speak channels. That way command can be broken up into groups. So I can sit in 1 channel and talk to only the leaders of the individual groups. Then those leaders can issue order and recieve info to and from their own group without spamming the main command channel.
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Murd Fold
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Posted - 2005.07.18 00:42:00 -
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channel commander in TS does that.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2005.07.18 01:08:00 -
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Personally I think Ventrillo is a lot like Linux, it has its pros and cons and is really not that different in spirit from TS, but a lot of its big supporters just do it because, apparently vehemently supporting an underdog makes them feel like revolutionaries or something.
Anyway, let the emacs vs vi *cough* i mean TS vs Ventrilo flamefest begin! 
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Khonsu
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Posted - 2005.07.18 01:19:00 -
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What's a good codec to use?
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.18 10:18:00 -
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Grrrrrrrrrr.
We have corp and alliance chat channels for a reason, you know. Some people (read: me  ) can't run EVE and TS/ventrilo at the same time, and we get automatically barred from most of the stuff going on.
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2005.07.18 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Beholder
Edited by: Avalon Beholder on 17/07/2005 23:36:54
Im going to say this in bold because 9900000 dumbasses will dispute it and one already has.
- "How good it sounds" or "How clear it is" is ENTIRELY determined by the codec and your speakers.
- ANY codec used by Ventrillo and a LOT LOT LOT more are available in Teamspeak
- THE DEFAULT codec in TS is LOWER than the DEFAULT codec in Vent. This is the reason IDIOTs say Vent is better.
Anyone who in the rest of this thread claims Vent is better sound quality than TS when they are identical, needs to go back to school for comprehension lessons.
How about being constructive and suggesting a decent codec? Might be better than foaming at the mouth, eh?
I've always found Vent to be clearer myself too. Tried a half dozen different codecs in TS with no discernable differences really: just a range between an effect like speaking through a long plastic tube to sounding like someone using a megaphone with a faulty switch.
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FotoFlame
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Posted - 2005.07.18 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: FotoFlame on 18/07/2005 11:04:55
i think the best feature on Vent' is the seperate input/output gains - so you can boost the volume for people with quiet mics.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2005.07.18 11:34:00 -
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Was it on Vent where you can use TTS on text chat mode? Thats uber fun. Oh and bind your own TTS keys and spam it on others? Thats what I like in Vent but TS is still more "professional" 
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Drilla
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Posted - 2005.07.18 12:04:00 -
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Codec determine the quality of the sound.
TeamSpeak has the same codecs and alot more than Ventrilo. The default codec in TS is of lower quality than the default in Ventrilo - that's why ilinformed people think Ventrilo has better quality.
The highest quality Speex codec is awesome and better than any codec Ventrilo comes with.
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Drexciyian
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Posted - 2005.07.18 12:06:00 -
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Edited by: Drexciyian on 18/07/2005 12:06:45
Vent sounds loads better, yes u can use a better codec on ts but it uses ton more bandwidth, you can understand peoples accents better on vent FACT. Vent can blame themselfs that no one uses it cos you now have to pay for more than 8 users.
No matter how small the fee is people will pick free over it anyday
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.07.18 12:29:00 -
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Yep. Ventrillo have completeky shot themselves in the foot. It's IMPOSSIBLE to run a Vent server for a corp, basically.
And if people have issues with voice software because they're using integrated AC97 sound chips...y'know, the SB live!'s ar pretty cheap these days :P
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DeeCo
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Posted - 2005.07.18 12:45:00 -
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try speex 12.3kbit, or eve 16.3kbit, For small channels I like 24.kbit. Big fleet battle with 150+ in a room run fine at 9.6 or 12.3k.
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Duke Danger
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Posted - 2005.07.18 14:59:00 -
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Has anyone got either Server to work behind a NetGear router?
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.07.18 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Blind Fear on 18/07/2005 15:06:43
Originally by: Duke Danger
Has anyone got either Server to work behind a NetGear router?
If you port foward, both will work. If you dont... well, thats pretty self-explainatory.
You dont want to host on a home connection though. Pay 5 bucks a month for decent hosting.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.07.18 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Balazs Simon
TS is good for large ops..
Ventrilo is much better quality and lag / ping vise..
we use Ventrilo for corp chat and TS for alliance chat..
the 2 program can run at the same time.
for example in combat operations, when everyoen on the smae channel, and only commanders speaking.. ventrilo is much better IMHO because you can just understand everyone much better than in TS...
IMHO
I use TS exclusively these days due to corp/alliance issues. But when we did a trial with Ventrillo I discovered:
1. Ventrillo sounds better usually. Argue about codecs all you like, I've tried every codec on TS and rarely found one better FOR ME.
2. Ventrillo tolerates lag much better. You don't "lose" what someone says, ever.
3. Teamspeak apparently scales better, has better security options and channel commander functions. It has better features, but does it's core job less well. Call it the "microsoft" option :P
4. Ventrillo makes a lot of guys feel even uncomfortable, cuz its sound seems to raise the ton of your voice a bit. I'm not kidding here, I've heard this from tons of guys and it's a huge issue I guess. The main reason the Ventrillo trial didn't stick with a WHOLE ALLIANCE was guys complaining it made them sound like girls. 
5. Ventrillo demands much less bandwidth. I don't know why, but modem users usually find Vent a godsend both re lost packets and re. sound quality. Most modem users can't use TS above 12.6 codecs, and I usually set it to 9.3 in any channel I'm in (yes, my freaking telco still doesn't have DSL in my village yet :( ). Some ppl with better bandwidth find TS at 9.3 to be a compromise in sound quality, but that's about what needed to be able to use it with a modem.
My best illustration of what Ventrillo is good for, but why it fails, would be my m8 St0rmbringer. He used to be on late at night his time, and had to be quiet on TS. That, combined with his mike I guess made him impossible for many ppl to understand on teamspeak. I always had to ask the few corp mates who DID understand him to "translate" for me, and it sucked in a tactical situation since since he was a great PvPer but couldn't lead gangs on TS as 1/2 the gang wouldn't understand him. When we went to Vent, EVERYONE could understand him all the time. No kidding, ALL the time. I never once asked him to repeat himself. I used to say over and over again "say again St0rm" but said it maybe once in 2 weeks of us using Vent.
But then St0rm thought it made him sound like a girl too and didn't want to keep using it :P So we all went back to TS and no matter how we monkeyed with CODECs, most of us went back to not understanding him :(
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.18 16:07:00 -
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Edited by: Avon on 18/07/2005 16:07:36
Originally by: Bobby Wilson
5. Ventrillo demands much less bandwidth. I don't know why, but modem users usually find Vent a godsend both re lost packets and re. sound quality. Most modem users can't use TS above 12.6 codecs, and I usually set it to 9.3 in any channel I'm in (yes, my freaking telco still doesn't have DSL in my village yet :( ). Some ppl with better bandwidth find TS at 9.3 to be a compromise in sound quality, but that's about what needed to be able to use it with a modem.
Interesting, most people find Vent requires more bandwidth - in fact it isn't recommended for modem users (certainly not on the default settings).
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Alerce
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Posted - 2005.07.18 16:13:00 -
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ventrillo can be used on macs i believe? and teamspeak still not, although the teamspeak programmers got macs free, to start up teamspeak 3 for the mac?
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.07.18 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alerce
ventrillo can be used on macs i believe? and teamspeak still not, although the teamspeak programmers got macs free, to start up teamspeak 3 for the mac?
Well, I see your point, but as Eve doesn't work on Macs I'm not sure it makes any difference here.
I agree though, that for voice comms in other games, it could well be a concern.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.18 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bobby Wilson
[4. Ventrillo makes a lot of guys feel even uncomfortable, cuz its sound seems to raise the ton of your voice a bit. I'm not kidding here, I've heard this from tons of guys and it's a huge issue I guess. The main reason the Ventrillo trial didn't stick with a WHOLE ALLIANCE was guys complaining it made them sound like girls.
Please don't tell me there really are people in the world who are this silly. I don't think I can cope with that.
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ErrorS
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Drilla
Codec determine the quality of the sound.
TeamSpeak has the same codecs and alot more than Ventrilo. The default codec in TS is of lower quality than the default in Ventrilo - that's why ilinformed people think Ventrilo has better quality.
The highest quality Speex codec is awesome and better than any codec Ventrilo comes with.
Ok, that's great. Download TS and a codec to make it sound like ventrilo, therefor teamspeak is better.
How about.. people just download ventrilo because it sounds better 'out of the box'?
like the stupid people out there who will tell me 'omg if you download this and change that adn edit this you can make opera just like firefox!" .. then why in the hell wouldn't I just use.. firefox?
when teamspeak doesn't sound like complete **** 'out of the box' maybe people will like it more. Until then, it's just a ****ty program that can be as good as another one once you change around some stuff and edit some settings and tweak this and that and some other ****.
No thanks
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Sadist
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Posted - 2005.07.18 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Bobby Wilson
[4. Ventrillo makes a lot of guys feel even uncomfortable, cuz its sound seems to raise the ton of your voice a bit. I'm not kidding here, I've heard this from tons of guys and it's a huge issue I guess. The main reason the Ventrillo trial didn't stick with a WHOLE ALLIANCE was guys complaining it made them sound like girls.
Please don't tell me there really are people in the world who are this silly. I don't think I can cope with that.
Yes, there are. And apparently a whole alliance.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.07.18 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Interesting, most people find Vent requires more bandwidth - in fact it isn't recommended for modem users (certainly not on the default settings).
I have found that Vent is a lot better then TS on a modem. Of course when I was on DSL TS was a lot better.
This probably has to do with codecs, bandwidth and the server.
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