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Carniflex
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:05:00 -
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I have simple question - is it worth doing PI in hi sec ?
I did it a long while ago in null sec, where it was kind of ok passive income as long as you did at least Tier 2 (bcos of the bulk of materials involved). I was away from a game a little while and have never done PI in hi sec, so is it worth it, considering the taxses and crappy yields ?
"Worth it" meaning against the alternative ways to pass my time, stuff like doing missions / incursions for the same duration which the cliky-clicky and hauling would take me. I have altogehter 12 PI capable characters (skills at lev 4) with colonies stuck in (now hostile) null sec system. I'm not particularly thrilled about running my evil slave minining colony and terrorizing em with .. well .. dots and lines ... but if the isk/h is ok enough I will do it. |
Carniflex
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Posted - 2013.02.08 11:44:00 -
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Sugar Bunny InSpace wrote:Remember what ISK you got in null? Now divide that by 3 and that will be your ISK income for the same work you did back in Null.
To be honest I dont remember what I was getting in null exactly. I remember that it was decent enough to cover the JF fuel costs, but the market and PI itself has changed substantially since then. Now the POCO's are player owned and there are these moving hotspots and as such I have no idea atm what amount of cliky-clicky is involved in running the PI setup atm.
I have heard people mention something relatively low isk wise, about ~30 mil a week after taxses and sales tax with 5 planets but I do not know what amount of clicking time is involved for arriving at that number. Is it 5 minutes per week it takes to haul that stuff - or is it an hour of scanning and hunting for the best spots with some silly short cyckles - I do not know - as I am not currently involved in PI. |
Carniflex
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Posted - 2013.02.10 12:06:00 -
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Thanx for the info. So it seems some isk can be made in hi sec PI, but its mostly reprocessing T2 upwards. What about Wormholes ? Anyone has done some decent C1 just for the PI ? How often are the towers in C1's attacked if someone can comment from the experience. Say a large tower with some hardeners and some ECM without anything juicy hanging in there in the open ?
Eric Raeder wrote:
Nullsec is a bigger hassle getting product to market. Most if not all null to low edge systems are permacamped and far more dangerous to travel through.
I dont like low sec tbh. If I'm already sticking my neck out I just skip the zoo and beeline for null, as its both more profitable and safer in my experience. Hauling is not an issue for me, as I have JF, Black Ops and covert cyno alts and with the increased bridge range of Black Ops I will expect them to be more viable as poor mans titan for pushing blocade runners around if needed. Problem with low sec / null is POCO's - I dont have the firepower to hold one if local alliance decides that he needs to control it and deny me the right to use it. Sure I can do the daily harassing runs with bombers, but thats not particularly profitable way of spending my time.
Anyway - thanx again for the info guys and gals. I'll have to look a bit more into this. |
Carniflex
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Posted - 2013.02.12 15:33:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:I make 100M per week off high sec PI. If you want to know how do a forum search. There are many very detailed posts. 
Well if that 100 m is any good depends on how much time you spend for getting that :)
As far as I can see based on the answers in this thread and running a single test planet in sec 0.5 extracting and doing tier 2 the PI in hi sec is questionable undertaking unless you are willing to go through the trouble of running reactions.
I think I'm not tempted for now but I'll keep an open mind and should I encounter any new information giving me a reason to doubt then I'll reevaluate the situation.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
Carniflex
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:37:00 -
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I have concluded that hi sec PI if you are extracting and reacting on spot is not worth it. To reach that conclusion I dropped few colonies on a barren planet in sec 0.5 and couple on a barren planet in NPC 0.0 - the yield differences are quite large. In null sec the yields are approx 5 times greater and that is with 8x extractor heads in hi sec vs 4x extractor heads in null (allowing you to use more factories or a extra storage facility).
The number of clicks is basically the same and with some brains and patience the null sec is not really more dangerous than hi sec in my opinion in this age of jump drives. Well - ok in NPC null it can take a little while for finding that clear moment for making the run to poco in your trusty bestower, but when doing it up to tier 2 it does not need to happen so frequently.
Making it tier 2 means that you turn 30.4 m3 of tier 1 into 7.5 m3 of tier 2 per hour. Launchpad size is 10 000 - so you would need to haul every ~1333 hours if only tier 2 from a single plant goes into that. That is once every 55 days.
If I remember correct then compression ratio was no longer than nice when going from Tier 2 -> Tier 3
That was on alt with all level 4 skills. So getting Tier 3 on a single planet would mean a bit too much micromanegement and optimizing the yields to not overload anything.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
Carniflex
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:52:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:Meh. I make 700m-1b per month. That's with 3 PI characters in hi sec.
I have to assume that this is with running reactions, as I dont see that kind of isk possibility when extracting in hi sec.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!*
GOT the bastard. |
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