I thought camping a plex while cloaked was fixed?!!?!

Sweet... :) New tactic: Rifter with cheap cloak = win.

Edit: at least OP is actually in FW...

Edit 2: oooh! dual-stabbed, cloaky noob ship ftw!!! LP farming, here I come!! If you (or CCP) can't beat 'em (or fix the major problems), join 'em!

well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :)

do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole.

So, who exactly wanted farmhorde in the first place? I can't really remember anyone from GalMil being in favour of it.

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I'm still new to the whole FW thing, but surely if enemies are constantly cloaking/running away whenever you move into a Plex, your own forces will come out ahead? Eventually they'll have to either fight or abandon the whole business for something safer.

So its a manpower problem of not being able to police your own space?

Are you still banging this gong?

You are literally a worse troll than Squirreldog.

Facts are realitve. More plexs have been completed because more people defensive plex, as you keep saying there are more people in faction war now, more plexs are required to capture systems, players don't normally defend backwater system, etc. Etc. Plus you never answered if plexs complete was a total of all plexs or just offensive plexs. You are reading the facts the way you want to, I already have to deal with that with liberals and gun control, so I decided to ignore you. Your system will never happen. Notifications are shat, will over tax the system, timer roll back would be enough.

No, but you are missing the fact that kills are way, WAY up.

Yes, you argue that's because there are more active people in FW now. But what changed to get more people in FW? The FW mechanics.

Changes?

- Rats nerfed: I used to get most of my fights on gates. Now, I get them in plexes since people can pvp without getting significant interference form the rats (honestly, in the old plexes the rats hurt far more than most people I would fight).


- Plexes are plentiful: When you talked about the old days of more kills per plex, plexes were rare. In fact, during the US TZ, plexes were practically non existent except for far out systems where no-one lived, because all the import plexes were taken after DT until they got stuck and did not respawn. So the fact that there were more kills per plex is no surprising..

- Plexes didn't mean a thing, gave no reward - if you wanted to enter a plex for any reason either than RP, well, there was none. You got to go and get jammed for 15 minutes, or after the ewar changes still needed a close tp pve style tank.

Basically - plexes sucked, plexes were rare, plexes provided no benefit, it's not surprising that less plexes were run, people still fought elsewhere, and therefore there were more kills per plex..

There are tweaks that could be made, but I disagree on a lot of your suggestions (for example, notifications mean you aren't supplying your own intel. If you don't live in a system, I feel that you have no right to say you own it. If you do think you own it, patrol it)..

It also sounds like you think the old system was better than the current one. If that's your opinion, well, I have to vehemently disagree. Both the pre-tier system and the first tier system. The pre-tier system for what I mentioned, and the post-tier system was so awful for the losing side that if a side wasn't able to dig out of tier 1, well they pretty much lost money converting LP. In the current system, even at T1, I think it's fine, and it's relatively easy to climb up to T2. You can make ISK while roaming around, enough to replace ship losses.

Anyways, that's my thoughts. I am getting tons and tons of fights, I have never been happier in FW. If CCP keeps the fights coming, I'll continue being a happy camper.

You know, when you guys were losing and complaining that the system was biased and there was no chance to come back because of the Gallente farming dominance, I thought you guys were just sore losers.

Now that you're winning under the exact same mechanics, and you are STILL WHINING, I think you guys just like to whine :)

EDIT: Oh, I see why you're still complaining - even though you have more systems, you're getting spanked in kills.

Yesterday: 270/460
Last week: 2125/3340

Carry on the complaining then :)

If you didn't have logic behind your posts, well, I'd ignore them :). My points are that the current system is the best so far.

Apart from a brief time when QCATS were in the Minmatar militia and our kills weren't counting, Gallente has been out killing the caldari for pretty much all of FW, even back in 2009. This shows in the all time kills for our militas.

Basically - Gallente outkilling the Caldari has pretty much been a constant throughout all iterations of FW.

Doesn't change anything to you, this is why I choose to stop discussing this with, you are right and everyone else is wrong in you mind. I personally don't need or want farmsville, I make billions a month in investments. Notifications are the lazy way and will eliminate any the of solo PVP we enjoy in plexs today. Hookbill pops minor, every enemy frig in range will burn to system, sounds like fun.....

Skimming your eye bleeding wall of text you asked about timer roll backs, I personally think that is a great idea, as well as many others. I am against notifications and that's it.

They affected aggregate occupancy (which meant even less back in the day) but once whoever controlled the after DT timezone decided that they were going to plex that system, there as absolutely nothing you do to in the other timezones to affect that due to the plexes getting stuck on respawn - and most US guys just gave up on occupancy warfare..

Yes, they were stuck at tier 1 in the long run. FW was on the cusp of having the winning side have dread alts in the opposing militia's to bust their own vulnerable bunkers. I know my corp was close to having 3-4 dread alts we could bust bunkers with in the Caldari militia. I know the minnies were doing the same. It was total crap.

Yes, I expect it to. But that is one controlled variable within the system. Trying to compare the current system to the old one with all of its flaws where plexes didn't exist/had less draw to run meant more people just fought away from plexes and ignored them altogether. My argument is your "kills per plex" metric is comparing apples to oranges from 2009 to now, and that otherwise pvp is up.



You could patrol all of FW space if people lived there, or enough people join FW like nulli. And the reverse - if one side is totally outnumbered, at least they can slink off, run a plex, and maybe kill scouts if people have to gather their own intel. Having risk free intel means a blob can just chase plexers around all day.

Currently several Gallente militia corps are on pace for a record numbers of kills for this month even though it is only 28 days long. Working as intended.

We've always said the rats are too easy and invite too much farming, but unfortunately there is a certain moron (not even in FW anymore, like all the other morons who post stupid suggestions for FW) on the forums who posts about some idiotic "notification system" and "no rats in plexes" that CCP has listened to. But in any case, we got booted from Heyd, but fights/ganks/kills/whatever are up - and we're all having a blast.

Bottom line is that (certain) Squids should just STFU and take all our systems like we did to them.

Really? Would you say that anybody being targeted by a rat can't cloak? And that anybody who wants to kill a rat can't do it while cloaked?

that you are calling just about everyone in your militia a moron, about your inability to shoot red crosses maybe try wormholes, or high sec missions, or fw missions, or belt ratting, or incursions, or anomalys or epic arcs or cosmos missions. But leave fw plexing as a single mechanic that allows pvp.

Any of the above activities is better than your criticizing the most intelliegent move ccp did with respect to fw.

Nah, I'm just calling you a moron. I think everybody else understands that a notification system won't do squat, and that inappropriately sized rats invite massive levels of farming..

Ignore all these fw dudes Cearain. You might be the only person who has ever advocated or seen any use in an automated notification system but dont let that discourage you. I look forward to the next year of you posting your sole opinion that this would be a good way for ccp to spend their time.

In fact ive changed my mind on the notification system. Ive decided to implement it myself right here. There are people running plexes everywhere RIGHT NOW!

Not really subtly trying to suggest anything at all. I think I've been pretty direct about it. (OK, not your fault. CCP's fault for listening to you. )

That said, we all know whenever there are payouts involved that farming will follow. CCP has one verified tool that can tune the level of farming done by the alts - the strength and frequency of the NPCs. In any case, it is what it is. See you in space.

While you may think your answer of a plex notification system is the answer, it isn't. There are plexers running plexes in almost every single Gallente held system for the entire 3-5 hours a night that I play. Notifications won't help that. What will help is a auto-reverse countdown so when I chase them off, I don't get the pleasure of reversing their timer to neutral while they go to another system and capture a plex there instead. The system really isn't that bad. They only thing that is questionable is whether the squids will take every system before the farmers switch sides (again)...

There are the LP payouts on enemy militia kills.

Ok, as a trial run, everytime I open a plex on my main, or on any of my alts, I will send you a mail.

Nope, I prefer my crappy dea to your crappy idea, and will continue to mail you as and when I open plexes

1. It's not a pvp mechanic unless both sides decide to engage.

4. Joint the IMINURPLEX channel now! You will be spoon fed plexing intel for the next week if you choose to do so.

If somebody could come up with a PVP mechanic, then great. However, how does PVP control a system when there is nobody in that system to PVP? All it takes is for somebody to show up in that system and they are the strongest PVPer in that system since they are the only pilot there even if they are in a stabbed plexing frig.

Yes, yes, you claim your notification system will solve this problem but it won't. There are simply too many farmers farming everywhere all at once. Here is how your notification system will work:

SYSTEM MESSAGE: There are farmers in every single system except the system you are in and enemy home systems.

You say, cool there is a farmer next door, let me go kill him. You then proceed to jump into system.

SYSTEM MESSAGE: There are farmers in every single system except the system you are in and enemy home systems. The farmer that was just in the plex in this system is now in the plex in the system you just left.

You say "$^$@YRW&@ Farmer" and jump back to the system where you just were to kill the farmer.

SYSTEM MESSAGE: There are farmers in every single system except the system you are in and enemy home systems. The farmer that was just in the plex in this system seems to have cloaked up. The farmer appears to be openly mocking you while you run the plex he is cloaked in for 40 minutes while his 15 alts can close 2 plexes in every surrounding system.

The faction who ruins it's opponents in PVP statistics doesn't want FW to be a PVP mechanic. Corporations are setting and beating their kill records month after month.

Your logic is infallible.

BTW Novice/Medium/Large Outpost/Compound/Installation opening in Vlillerier/Oicx/Eha/Martoh/Innia/Renerelle/Aldranette/Nennamelia by Farmer1/Farmer2/Farmer3/X Gallentius.

Ill try to make this my last post to Cearain whoever he is.

I think i have about as many kills this month as he has in 2 years. My guess is he is having problems accepting that he is just bad at the game and blames the mechanic rather than l2p.

If somebody could come up with a PVP mechanic, then great. However, how does PVP control a system when there is nobody in that system to PVP? ..

well since we got back to gallente space our alliance kills are up (record broken), our corp kills are up (record broken) and also our top killers have changed its gone from the usual suspects to different pilots in the corp (guess what this record was also broken too by breddy). So i can say ur argument is invalid and yes i can also say its due to this itteration of fw

So by your logic, if you look at the miltia numbers, since caldari has 700 more characters than us, and growing daily, they should be winning?

Why not?

JUSTK: Numbers Kills

QCATS: Numbers Kills

I looked at the same websites and saw that numbers have remained relatively flat while there has been a huge upswing in kills the last couple of months since Retribution came out (which was before we conquered all of the Caldari systems). Note that December kills for both corporations skyrocketed.

Or, one could skew the argument to fit his version of reality like you just did. Your choice.

Yes it sucks that the Caldari decided to capitulate and not fight, and it sucks that the Gallente decided to dominate the theater instead of trying to get fights. Not a FW mechanics problem; it's a human nature problem.

Gallente achieved their goal and decided to get fights rather than dominate. Caldari decided to enter the FW occupancy war again.