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praznimrak Level Up 30	Posted - 2013.02.08 15:29:00 - [1] - Quote THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer....... Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control. There are hordes of those now,way more than real players. Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak???????????????? Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll. Thx. Praz My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay
Zen Guerrilla CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 35	Posted - 2013.02.08 17:18:00 - [2] - Quote praznimrak wrote: THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer....... Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control. There are hordes of those now,way more than real players. Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak???????????????? Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll. Thx. Praz As much as i hate people bringing stabbed, cloaky frigs for plexing, if they don't want to fight, they won't fight. And sadly you can't force em to stay and explode. You can't stop em so deal with it. It was much much much worse. Just go with that. :) pew pew
Machiavelli's Nemesis Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide. 83	Posted - 2013.02.08 17:53:00 - [3] - Quote WTS 11000 cloaked, double-stabbed frigates! All colours, all sizes, payment options to suit you!
Ginger Barbarella Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1140	Posted - 2013.02.08 18:56:00 - [4] - Quote I thought camping a plex while cloaked was fixed?!!?! Sweet... :) New tactic: Rifter with cheap cloak = win. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac
Cromwell Savage Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats 119	Posted - 2013.02.08 19:47:00 - [5] - Quote Just one more reason why having plexing tied to sov tied to station docking is utterly stupid. So many other ways to impose repercussions for system sov without having to make this dull-sec lite. Was against it when proposed. Was against it when implemented. Am still against it. And always will be...
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 1968	Posted - 2013.02.08 19:51:00 - [6] - Quote praznimrak wrote: CCP, PLEASE FORCE THE OTHER KIDS TO PLAY WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Thx. Praz OP fixed for clarity. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 828	Posted - 2013.02.08 20:15:00 - [7] - Quote Ginger Barbarella wrote: I thought camping a plex while cloaked was fixed?!!?! Sweet... :) New tactic: Rifter with cheap cloak = win. Edit: at least OP is actually in FW... Edit 2: oooh! dual-stabbed, cloaky noob ship ftw!!! LP farming, here I come!! If you (or CCP) can't beat 'em (or fix the major problems), join 'em! I think the op is just upset that people can cloak in plexes generally not that anything is actually broken. When they are cloaked it is like they are not in the plex at all. The enemy can still run the timer down when they are cloaked in the plex. And the timer will not run when they are alone and cloaked in the plex. I think this is working as intended. You can cloak inside the plex and uncloak and tackle them once they land on top of you. Its just the timer will no tick while you are cloaked. You can also do this in missions BTW. There used to be a bug where a defensive plexer could leave a cloaked ship in a plex he took and new plexes would then not spawn. There also used to be bugs where the plex timer would continue to tick even though the person in the plex was cloaked. I don't think the op is refering to either of these bugs which I beleive have been fixed. People are likely fitting allot of cloaks on offensive plexing ships since they can't dock in enemy space. It wasn't hard to predict this would happen when they started locking people out of stations. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
GreenSeed 182	Posted - 2013.02.08 20:54:00 - [8] - Quote stabbed ships are fine, cloaky stabbed ships is a bit too much. the problem is that there are legitimate uses for cloaks inside plexes. so asking for a blank nerf to cloaks so they cant be used at all, it a bit too much.
praznimrak Level Up 30	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:04:00 - [9] - Quote I all ways forget that eve forums are full of trolls and no way one can get attention of right ppls in here. Shame. So hard to improve this game. My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay
Tsobai Hashimoto FATAL Warfare Hopeless Addiction 114	Posted - 2013.02.08 21:18:00 - [10] - Quote praznimrak wrote: THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer....... Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control. There are hordes of those now,way more than real players. Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak???????????????? Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll. Thx. Praz What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless..... Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side.... what is the issue? Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that? You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs

praznimrak Level Up 30	Posted - 2013.02.08 23:23:00 - [11] - Quote Tsobai Hashimoto wrote: praznimrak wrote: THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer....... Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control. There are hordes of those now,way more than real players. Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak???????????????? Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll. Thx. Praz What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless..... Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side.... what is the issue? Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that? You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts...... Solutions??? My youtube chanell: http://www.youtube.com/user/EveOnlineGameplay
Deen Wispa Justified Chaos 474	Posted - 2013.02.09 00:00:00 - [12] - Quote Sometimes we'll get a few people to gatecamp a pipe that we know farmers are going through. I know it's not pvp but it does discourage farming to some degree. High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Sura Sadiva Entropic Tactical Crew 257	Posted - 2013.02.09 00:31:00 - [13] - Quote praznimrak wrote: I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts...... Solutions??? Revert all the 4 timers, negaate their income, get your reward and contribute to slide the sov balance in favour of your faction. How is this a problem. Cloacked ship in plexes do not affect the timer, is the same as they warped away. Warzone control is about holding points, if you force someone to leave or to cloack they're loosing anyway. Or is just another stealth "nerf cloack" thread?
subtle turtle In Exile. 103	Posted - 2013.02.09 00:31:00 - [14] - Quote Zen Guerrilla wrote: As much as i hate people bringing stabbed, cloaky frigs for plexing, if they don't want to fight, they won't fight. And sadly you can't force em to stay and explode. You can't stop em so deal with it. It was much much much worse. Just go with that. :) I agree with this. There is no way to force people who do not want to PVP to PVP, nor do I think we should. You can counter this by taking over the plex and running it down yourself. If you aren't willing to run the plex down yourself for your faction, you don't have a lot of room to complain, since you are just shoving that burden of war zone control off on your own side's LP seeking farmers. Welcome to Eve. The sandbox applies to PVErs and ISK horders just as much as it does PVPers.
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Dan Carter Murray 385	Posted - 2013.02.09 00:34:00 - [16] - Quote it REALLY pisses off the cloaked people in the plex when you stay and time down the timer. you get lp for doing this. you ** off the farmer by doing this. you might get pvp from a "real" pvper when you do this. win win win situation? THIS IS GOLD FLEET BROTHER. WE DON'T NEED NO ***** THRASHERS/SFIs/CANES. @DanCarterMurray
Taoist Dragon Bastion of Mad Behaviour Hopeless Addiction 236	Posted - 2013.02.09 00:36:00 - [17] - Quote praznimrak wrote: Tsobai Hashimoto wrote: praznimrak wrote: THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer....... Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control. There are hordes of those now,way more than real players. Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak???????????????? Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll. Thx. Praz What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless..... Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side.... what is the issue? Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that? You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts...... Solutions??? Ok so you want to single handedly control a system when you are completely outnumbered (in terms of active accounts)?! If the player is controlling his main and 3 alts thats a fair bit of work ensuring you don't catch and kill them while he's busy with one of the others. Sounds like you need a can of liquid concrete mate so you can HTFU! one tactic you can employ in when you land in a plex with a cloaked alt - fly a tristan with a mwd and a full flight of lights. Set an orbit of 15-20km around the button and deploy your drones. There is a good chance you'll decloak the alt and force him to warp off you maybe even pop him first if the player is not paying attention. That is the Way, the Tao. Balance is everything. I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer!
Deen Wispa Justified Chaos 474	Posted - 2013.02.09 01:18:00 - [18] - Quote Dan Carter Murray wrote: it REALLY pisses off the cloaked people in the plex when you stay and time down the timer. you get lp for doing this. you **** off the farmer by doing this. you might get pvp from a "real" pvper when you do this. win win win situation? Confirming this works too. I used to force the local farmers out of a plex who lived near Kehjari and the smack I got in local was pretty funny. They eventually would get 3 or 4 people from Hykanima to blob me out and sit inside the plex knowing I couldn't take them. I just laughed knowing they huddled 4 people into a plex for measly rewards. Only problem with DCM's approach is that it requires far more patience than what most people have. Still though, the content that gets created was hilarious. One such example from the days of Kehjari ;) [02:59:43] Forrest Stokes > comon wispa [02:59:56] Forrest Stokes > why you wana kill me [03:00:09] Deen Wispa > my slicer vs your moa is fair fight [03:00:28] Forrest Stokes > i know but i dont feel like fighting right now. just want a lil lp for CNR High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 378	Posted - 2013.02.09 06:27:00 - [19] - Quote You seem to forget that main idea of FW is not to PVP it is to grind isk, CCP somehow imagine that people who grind isk wants to PVP in plexes. FW will never work, grind isk it is.
Hidden Snake Hidden Squid Society 259	Posted - 2013.02.09 07:52:00 - [20] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: You seem to forget that main idea of FW is not to PVP it is to grind isk, CCP somehow imagine that people who grind isk wants to PVP in plexes. FW will never work, grind isk it is. it is funny ... that when the farming horde was on minnie, galente side nobody was complaining (from frog side). Now when the farmer horde is slowly migrating increasing amount of complaints emerge. And yes system is broken and I have two alts to farm to make isk and capture systems.

Veshta Yoshida PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 520	Posted - 2013.02.09 08:23:00 - [21] - Quote Hidden Snake wrote: it is funny ... that when the farming horde was on minnie, galente side nobody was complaining (from frog side). Now when the farmer horde is slowly migrating increasing amount of complaints emerge. And yes system is broken and I have two alts to farm to make isk and capture systems. That's what you get when dealing with noob-whiners. We select few pro-whiners have been complaining about the wallet-shift in FW focus since the get go! As for the OP: Cloaks are a non-issue, comparable to the generic farmer (stabbed or not) who continually runs. The problem is that they are dictating just about everything in FW through their actions .. thank CCP for tying everything into the plexing mechanic while at the same time making it farm friendly. Time-to-kill for the rats to prevent further spawns should be drastically reduced, provided the goal remains the same, to encourage bringing an appropriate ship. Novice - 30s Small - 45s Medium - 60s Large - 90s Daredevils will flood the skies, but I'd rather have ships that scream "come at me bro!" doing the farming, yielding a noticeable ISK loss when caught, than 'insert generic T1 frig' doing the same at no risk whatsoever. But nothing so "major" is likely to happen until next year as it is null's time be blessed by Icelandic tunnel-vision .. nine months of FarmVilleGäó plus what will be twelve months of FarmWarsGäó .. me'thinks CCP will owe us big time!
Hidden Snake Hidden Squid Society 260	Posted - 2013.02.09 09:16:00 - [22] - Quote Veshta Yoshida wrote: Hidden Snake wrote: it is funny ... that when the farming horde was on minnie, galente side nobody was complaining (from frog side). Now when the farmer horde is slowly migrating increasing amount of complaints emerge. And yes system is broken and I have two alts to farm to make isk and capture systems. That's what you get when dealing with noob-whiners. We select few pro-whiners have been complaining about the wallet-shift in FW focus since the get go! As for the OP: Cloaks are a non-issue, comparable to the generic farmer (stabbed or not) who continually runs. The problem is that they are dictating just about everything in FW through their actions .. thank CCP for tying everything into the plexing mechanic while at the same time making it farm friendly. Time-to-kill for the rats to prevent further spawns should be drastically reduced, provided the goal remains the same, to encourage bringing an appropriate ship. Novice - 30s Small - 45s Medium - 60s Large - 90s Daredevils will flood the skies, but I'd rather have ships that scream "come at me bro!" doing the farming, yielding a noticeable ISK loss when caught, than 'insert generic T1 frig' doing the same at no risk whatsoever. But nothing so "major" is likely to happen until next year as it is null's time be blessed by Icelandic tunnel-vision .. nine months of FarmVilleGäó plus what will be twelve months of FarmWarsGäó .. me'thinks CCP will owe us big time! well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :)
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 828	Posted - 2013.02.09 13:22:00 - [23] - Quote Hidden Snake wrote: well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :) This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes. FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it. The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 379	Posted - 2013.02.09 13:34:00 - [24] - Quote Cearain wrote: Hidden Snake wrote: well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :) This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes. FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it. The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons. do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole.
Zen Guerrilla CTRL-Q Iron Oxide. 37	Posted - 2013.02.09 14:47:00 - [25] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: Cearain wrote: Hidden Snake wrote: well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :) This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes. FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it. The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons. do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole. Judging from your forum posts, you seem to have extensive, in-depth knowledge about the whole and very complex FW system. Which clearly shows it really isn't all that hard to understand. pew pew
Bad Messenger Nasranite Watch The Bloody Ronin Syndicate 380	Posted - 2013.02.09 15:53:00 - [26] - Quote Zen Guerrilla wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: Cearain wrote: Hidden Snake wrote: well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :) This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes. FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it. The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons. do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole. Judging from your forum posts, you seem to have extensive, in-depth knowledge about the whole and very complex FW system. Which clearly shows it really isn't all that hard to understand. yea, players wanted isk farmers who use stabs and cloaks, and they got what they wanted.
Cearain Goose Swarm Coalition 828	Posted - 2013.02.10 23:38:00 - [27] - Quote Bad Messenger wrote: Cearain wrote: Hidden Snake wrote: well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :) This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes. FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it. The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons. do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole. Well they listened to certain players. Others were ignored. But yes, we have the farmville we do now due to the players ccp chose to listen to. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Hidden Snake Hidden Squid Society 264	Posted - 2013.02.11 12:03:00 - [28] - Quote Cearain wrote: Bad Messenger wrote: Cearain wrote: Hidden Snake wrote: well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :) This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes. FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it. The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons. do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole. Well they listened to certain players. Others were ignored. But yes, we have the farmville we do now due to the players ccp chose to listen to. well it is funny that people who wanted farmhorde are now bitching about farmhorde because the beast turned on them with the system capture. Oh yeah, we told you!
Dante Uisen Push button receive bacon 7	Posted - 2013.02.11 12:14:00 - [29] - Quote praznimrak wrote: THIS IS FRUSTRATING it sure is... but that alone is not a valid reason for changing the game mechanics.
Halete Alexylva Paradox 636	Posted - 2013.02.11 13:04:00 - [30] - Quote My personal response to this epidemic is to roll up into a FW Plex and AFK where farmers are active if I'm going to go eat, shower, shop-run, etc. Just park right there, in the Plex, no cloak. This is similar to AFK cloaking in Null except it produces an even greater quantity of smack-talk and is somehow safer than being cloaked because there is a precisely 0.0% chance of anybody trying to take the plex by force regardless of how much **** they'll talk. Trading chains for shackles, I am free.



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