THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz

CCP, PLEASE FORCE THE OTHER KIDS TO PLAY WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Thx.
Praz

I thought camping a plex while cloaked was fixed?!!?!

Sweet... :) New tactic: Rifter with cheap cloak = win.

Edit: at least OP is actually in FW...

Edit 2: oooh! dual-stabbed, cloaky noob ship ftw!!! LP farming, here I come!! If you (or CCP) can't beat 'em (or fix the major problems), join 'em!

THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz

What is the issue? when the Cloaked tirple stabbed rifter cloaks in the plex.....the timer stops and moves towards your side.....you have just negated him to being pointless.....

Tick down the timer, and take some LP and move the SOV towards your side....

what is the issue?

Oh you wanted him to fight you? ok so........ what if he dscaned, saw you on the gate and warped off? should he not be able to do that?

You can not make someone pvp, there is almost always an option to run, hide or flee, but a hiding ship does no win the SOV war or do anything for WZC



FYI, when my alt in the triple stabbed rifter cloaks in the Plex, my main is running the other plex in the system and is heading that way with eyes on you do remove you from the plex.....though 9/10 the guy leaves the plex and comes to my mains anyways, cuz 9/10 people dont play FW, they join FW to get KB stats.......and are not interested in winning the war and taking plexs

I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts......

Solutions???

As much as i hate people bringing stabbed, cloaky frigs for plexing, if they don't want to fight, they won't fight. And sadly you can't force em to stay and explode.

You can't stop em so deal with it. It was much much much worse. Just go with that. :)

I dont want him to fight me,but imagen you jump into sistem,four plex is opend,4 frigs on scan,you warp to one and frig inisede cloak,3 more runing timer.You want to prevent that.Warp second plex and even before you land he cloaks,but the guy in first plex decloaks and so on.I dont mind stabed guys,i can allways fit moar scrams but nothing i can do vs cloak that cloaks before i enter plex.....You get me now.All farming alts......

Solutions???

it REALLY pisses off the cloaked people in the plex when you stay and time down the timer.

you get lp for doing this.

you **** off the farmer by doing this.

you might get pvp from a "real" pvper when you do this.

win win win situation?

You seem to forget that main idea of FW is not to PVP it is to grind isk, CCP somehow imagine that people who grind isk wants to PVP in plexes.

FW will never work, grind isk it is.

it is funny ... that when the farming horde was on minnie, galente side nobody was complaining (from frog side). Now when the farmer horde is slowly migrating increasing amount of complaints emerge. And yes system is broken and I have two alts to farm to make isk and capture systems.

That's what you get when dealing with noob-whiners. We select few pro-whiners have been complaining about the wallet-shift in FW focus since the get go!

As for the OP: Cloaks are a non-issue, comparable to the generic farmer (stabbed or not) who continually runs. The problem is that they are dictating just about everything in FW through their actions .. thank CCP for tying everything into the plexing mechanic while at the same time making it farm friendly.

Time-to-kill for the rats to prevent further spawns should be drastically reduced, provided the goal remains the same, to encourage bringing an appropriate ship.
Novice - 30s
Small - 45s
Medium - 60s
Large - 90s
Daredevils will flood the skies, but I'd rather have ships that scream "come at me bro!" doing the farming, yielding a noticeable ISK loss when caught, than 'insert generic T1 frig' doing the same at no risk whatsoever.

But nothing so "major" is likely to happen until next year as it is null's time be blessed by Icelandic tunnel-vision .. nine months of FarmVilleGäó plus what will be twelve months of FarmWarsGäó .. me'thinks CCP will owe us big time!

well i decided to exploit the system and enjoy my pirate habbits ... and still remain influental to Caldari FW and keep contact with FA bros ... best of all worlds :)

This is where I am at as well. For pvp fw just reduces your pvp opportunities by reducing your ability to dock/reship and limitting your targets in plexes.

FW does offer lots and lots of pve/farming opportunities to anyone who has an alt over 2 days old. CCP decided to make it a pve game. Might as well take advantage of it.

The gallente and minmatar pretty much blew their lead, so farming amarr/caldari makes the most sense for several reasons.

do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole.

Judging from your forum posts, you seem to have extensive, in-depth knowledge about the whole and very complex FW system.

Which clearly shows it really isn't all that hard to understand.

do not blaim CCP only, CCP listened players and changed it just like players wanted. Sad thing is that players do not know what they were asking because whole system is so complex that there is not many who can understand what little changes affect as whole.

Well they listened to certain players. Others were ignored. But yes, we have the farmville we do now due to the players ccp chose to listen to.

THIS IS FRUSTRATING

well it is funny that people who wanted farmhorde are now bitching about farmhorde because the beast turned on them with the system capture. Oh yeah, we told you!

Wait.. I thought plexing was about PVP and farmers were just a small non issue that didn't affect the war zone control.. I understand I haven't logged in lately, but can anyone tell me when this drastic change happened?

It was only a month or two ago the Gals were claiming noob farming alts with stabs & cloaks were not an issue..

Wait.. I thought plexing was about PVP and farmers were just a small non issue that didn't affect the war zone control.. I understand I haven't logged in lately, but can anyone tell me when this drastic change happened?

It was only a month or two ago the Gals were claiming noob farming alts with stabs & cloaks were not an issue and they got all the PVP they wanted.. Did something change? Did CCP introduce a new patch? or was it really always an issue only noticed when you start losing and the farmers jump ship to the other side?

And 1 person's inability to adapt to a given situation still doesn't make it an issue. Nice try tho.

Oh, my bad I thought I was reading complaints from more than just the OP in this topic. Anyway have fun chasing around all those stabbed & cloaky plexers. It's sure fun and awesome PVP.

Sorry, too busy getting arse handed to me in Heyd to worry about afk cloaky plexers in the hinterlands.

So, who exactly wanted farmhorde in the first place? I can't really remember anyone from GalMil being in favour of it.

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Wait.. I thought plexing was about PVP and farmers were just a small non issue that didn't affect the war zone control.. I understand I haven't logged in lately, but can anyone tell me when this drastic change happened?

It was only a month or two ago the Gals were claiming noob farming alts with stabs & cloaks were not an issue and they got all the PVP they wanted.. Did something change? Did CCP introduce a new patch? or was it really always an issue only noticed when you start losing and the farmers jump ship to the other side?

I'm still new to the whole FW thing, but surely if enemies are constantly cloaking/running away whenever you move into a Plex, your own forces will come out ahead? Eventually they'll have to either fight or abandon the whole business for something safer.

Thats not the way it works. Farmers find a quiet system and farm away. They can go for hours before anyone who really cares knows they are are there. Then when someone, who does care, finds them they can run and hide in another system.

WTH , how come every time I go to heyd there are 40 gals there and 2 squids hiding in a pos?

So its a manpower problem of not being able to police your own space?

Dread Operative, XG, Crosi Wesdo, I could go on just read the thread about "gallente got thier medal." See all of them try to brush off the fact that 4xs as many plexes are captured per kill as there was in 2009. The denial is pretty much laughable.

The solution suggested, which is in CCPs backlog, is that if no-one is running a button, it counts down to its starting state. This way, if a farmer is chased out of a plex, and a pvper keeps chasing a farmers, the farmers work is undone while the pvper is trying to get a kill. This makes a pvper who is willing to fight for a plex, and chase farmers out of plexes have more influence of the sov war than a stabbed farmer.

The solution suggested, which is in CCPs backlog, is that if no-one is running a button, it counts down to its starting state. This way, if a farmer is chased out of a plex, and a pvper keeps chasing a farmers, the farmers work is undone while the pvper is trying to get a kill. This makes a pvper who is willing to fight for a plex, and chase farmers out of plexes have more influence of the sov war than a stabbed farmer.

Dread Operative, XG, Crosi Wesdo, I could go on just read the thread about "gallente got thier medal." See all of them try to brush off the fact that 4xs as many plexes are captured per kill as there was in 2009. The denial is pretty much laughable.

All of them are arguing what a great system it is, and trying to argue against measures (such as notifications, end to station lock outs, or at least end lp for defensive plexing) which would make the game involve pvp. No they want to have their alts sit in their home system's plexes where the enemy doesn't even know they are there and can't even dock, and then beat their chest on the forums, about how "dominant" they are.

Of course they won't actually say they want farmville. But they fill every thread that contains ideas to end the farmville with their bad arguments to reject those changes.

They are and always were quite happy with the farmville fw sov is now. Just read the thread.

Fear not.. I'm sure now that Caldari is getting a bit better foothold on the Sov War, CCP will surely rush out a patch to help you guys out with that roll back timer thing.

well i am expecting more ... OMS and Prism has fallen ... I guess some people in CCP are ringing bells of fastforward ;)

Dread Operative, XG, Crosi Wesdo, I could go on just read the thread about "gallente got thier medal." See all of them try to brush off the fact that 4xs as many plexes are captured per kill as there was in 2009. The denial is pretty much laughable.

Damar Rocarion

Well, they nerfed Caldari NPC's long time ago without saying anything and gave you the ninja patch which was the only reason you had a shot at your medal. You've not seen CCP to fast forward nullsec sovereignty mechanics have you?

Ninja patch was unprecedented interference to an ongoing war in history of Eve and was aimed directly at Caldari militias strategy to keep systems vulnerable for as long as possible so majority of the FW area would been theirs after the designated patch day. Which by the way was revealed long time in advance and both sides had time to maneuver themselves into optimal positions.

Yet CCP said in dev blog that people who worked hard to get their side to optimal position under the mechanics they created was unacceptable so ninja patch happened. We of course know this only applied because pendelum was being succesfully timed for Caldari's benefit and it was simply unacceptable for Devs playing for the gallente side to let this thing come to pass.

So its a manpower problem of not being able to police your own space?

Are you still banging this gong?

You are literally a worse troll than Squirreldog.

Fear not.. I'm sure now that Caldari is getting a bit better foothold on the Sov War, CCP will surely rush out a patch to help you guys out with that roll back timer thing.

Still trying to brush the facts aside?

Still trying to brush the facts aside?

well i am expecting more ... OMS and Prism has fallen ... I guess some people in CCP are ringing bells of fastforward ;)

EDIT: Oh, I see why you're still complaining - even though you have more systems, you're getting spanked in kills.

Yesterday: 270/460
Last week: 2125/3340

Carry on the complaining then :)

EDIT: Oh, I see why you're still complaining - even though you have more systems, you're getting spanked in kills.

Yesterday: 270/460
Last week: 2125/3340

Carry on the complaining then :)

Facts are realitve. More plexs have been completed because more people defensive plex, as you keep saying there are more people in faction war now, more plexs are required to capture systems, players don't normally defend backwater system, etc. Etc. Plus you never answered if plexs complete was a total of all plexs or just offensive plexs. You are reading the facts the way you want to, I already have to deal with that with liberals and gun control, so I decided to ignore you. Your system will never happen. Notifications are shat, will over tax the system, timer roll back would be enough.

You know, when you guys were losing and complaining that the system was biased and there was no chance to come back because of the Gallente farming dominance, I thought you guys were just sore losers.

Now that you're winning under the exact same mechanics, and you are STILL WHINING, I think you guys just like to whine :)

EDIT: Oh, I see why you're still complaining - even though you have more systems, you're getting spanked in kills.

Yesterday: 270/460
Last week: 2125/3340

Carry on the complaining then :)

No, but you are missing the fact that kills are way, WAY up.

Yes, you argue that's because there are more active people in FW now. But what changed to get more people in FW? The FW mechanics.

Changes?

- Rats nerfed: I used to get most of my fights on gates. Now, I get them in plexes since people can pvp without getting significant interference form the rats (honestly, in the old plexes the rats hurt far more than most people I would fight).


- Plexes are plentiful: When you talked about the old days of more kills per plex, plexes were rare. In fact, during the US TZ, plexes were practically non existent except for far out systems where no-one lived, because all the import plexes were taken after DT until they got stuck and did not respawn. So the fact that there were more kills per plex is no surprising..

- Plexes didn't mean a thing, gave no reward - if you wanted to enter a plex for any reason either than RP, well, there was none. You got to go and get jammed for 15 minutes, or after the ewar changes still needed a close tp pve style tank.

Basically - plexes sucked, plexes were rare, plexes provided no benefit, it's not surprising that less plexes were run, people still fought elsewhere, and therefore there were more kills per plex..

There are tweaks that could be made, but I disagree on a lot of your suggestions (for example, notifications mean you aren't supplying your own intel. If you don't live in a system, I feel that you have no right to say you own it. If you do think you own it, patrol it)..

It also sounds like you think the old system was better than the current one. If that's your opinion, well, I have to vehemently disagree. Both the pre-tier system and the first tier system. The pre-tier system for what I mentioned, and the post-tier system was so awful for the losing side that if a side wasn't able to dig out of tier 1, well they pretty much lost money converting LP. In the current system, even at T1, I think it's fine, and it's relatively easy to climb up to T2. You can make ISK while roaming around, enough to replace ship losses.

Anyways, that's my thoughts. I am getting tons and tons of fights, I have never been happier in FW. If CCP keeps the fights coming, I'll continue being a happy camper.

You know, when you guys were losing and complaining that the system was biased and there was no chance to come back because of the Gallente farming dominance, I thought you guys were just sore losers.

Now that you're winning under the exact same mechanics, and you are STILL WHINING, I think you guys just like to whine :)

EDIT: Oh, I see why you're still complaining - even though you have more systems, you're getting spanked in kills.

Yesterday: 270/460
Last week: 2125/3340

Carry on the complaining then :)

Actually the facts show they are way down, per plex. We don't know how many kills per pilot compared to 2009 because they changed the way they count pilots. But I would agree there is more pvp from my perspective just because there are more players in fw and low sec generally. The changes to gcc are also pretty important.

However you are not correct to say you couldn't find a plex in the us time zone. You could. And running that plex would still count toward occupancy. It actually counted 5xs as much.

Fighting for occupancy is still primarilly a pve game. Its still a side game next to the rvb style pvp we get in fw. The most efficient way to win occupancy is to run as many alt accounts as you can afford and avoid pvp. . This is why you have 4xs as many plexes run per kill.

As above I could easilly find plexes in the us tz. Those plexes would effect occupancy. But no one cared because winning the war was a pve accomplishment.

It still is. That is why we have the apathy now too. It will continue to grow. The mood now is not really unlike when caldari won. People were still pretty excited then too. But then it was starting to sink in that this sov warfare business is all about alt farming. Its sinking in now too. Who is at what tier and who is winning threads will start to taper off. People who plex will continue to be marginalized in pvp groups.

ThatGÇÖs my prediction. Time will tell.

Again I will ask you, and the rest of the cheerleaders. If ccp does a timer rollback will you expect to see the number of kills per plex rise? I do.

Another defense of farming. No one "patrols" all of fw space. That is why it is hide and plex Farmville. You know its true. That is why a notification would nerf Farmville, and we would see more kills per plex.

If I want more fights I would have joined rvb. I was hoping that sov warfare would be fixed to give a meaningfull context for the fights. It clearly hasn't. You have people like you and I (I'm not even if fw) who go in a plex to look for fights, and then you have farmers who "win the war." Same broken system.

As far as the old tier system no one was stuck at tier 1. Everyone hit tier 5 except amarr which hit tier 4. Amarr was hit most drastically from the station lockout rule change so itGÇÖs not surprising that they would take the longest to hit tier 5.
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If a side was having trouble getting out of tier 1 then giving lp for defensive plexing was clearly a dumb move. They still gave lp for defensive plexing but also made it so that tier 5 gets taxed so high that its hardly worth the trouble. So we get apathy.

More proof that pvp has nothing to do with winning the sov war.

Defensive or offensive plexes doesn't change anything.

4xs as many plexes captured per kill. Defenisve or offensive both give vp and both help sov warfare.

Oh and I like the way you try to throw in yet another bad argument that nerfing the farmville will "over tax the system." You no doubt have no clue what you are talking about yet still continue to argue against measures that will end farmville. Well like was said earlier in this thread you got what you wish for.

I all ways forget that eve forums are full of trolls and no way one can get attention of right ppls in here.

Shame.

So hard to improve this game.

Caldari and Amarr mentioned these problems months ago.

But we were just 'making it up' and 'whingers'.


Now that the shoe is on the other foot - I hope it fits.


The lols Caldari are getting from watching the whole situation reversed is worth it.

But don't worry - CCP are gonna 'save you' when the patch comes.

There was a suspicious/hint tweet a day or two ago that suggests Caldari will be stopped with a patch.

Few questions

a) Gallente are whining about the system? I'm arguing with Cearin that the current system is GOOD, even though we're losing
b) What tweet? Source pls!

Few questions

a) Gallente are whining about the system? I'm arguing with Cearin that the current system is GOOD, even though we're losing
b) What tweet? Source pls!

Caldari were being called whingers a while back and now are hearing the same complaints from many Gallente.
You have never complained.
I was not aiming that comment at you. I quoted the person it was aimed at.

The tweet said:
Tough times for the Minmatar Republic....http://www.gamerchick.net/2013/02/we-all-fall-down.html GǪ Save us, @CCP_Fozzie ! We're not done with FW yet! #tweetfleet #eveonline

'We're not done with FW yet!' is what interested me - I've seen these types of things tweeted /posted right before other changes are announced/made.
It's like 'Oh Brutix change won't help it active tank - What will we do Fozzie???' Right before armor buff announcement.

In the past, seeing comments like that from a certain person has been a fairly accurate gauge of a change coming that they can't yet talk about.

So - Repeated behavior of certain people is how I drew that conclusion.
Maybe I'm having a bit of a tin foil hat moment but guess we will find out soon enough.

If I'm wrong - i have a tin foil hat for sale or swap for 1xCarrier.

"It is our belief that the sudden fall of the warzone, and our inability to come back to where we once stood so easily, is sure indication that the mechanics are broken. We can't fight because we can't make money, and the pressure of the winner snowballs out of our control. The proof is irrefutable." said one Minmatar official working on the document, who asked to remain anonymous.

If you didn't have logic behind your posts, well, I'd ignore them :). My points are that the current system is the best so far.

Apart from a brief time when QCATS were in the Minmatar militia and our kills weren't counting, Gallente has been out killing the caldari for pretty much all of FW, even back in 2009. This shows in the all time kills for our militas.

Basically - Gallente outkilling the Caldari has pretty much been a constant throughout all iterations of FW.

Doesn't change anything to you, this is why I choose to stop discussing this with, you are right and everyone else is wrong in you mind. I personally don't need or want farmsville, I make billions a month in investments. Notifications are the lazy way and will eliminate any the of solo PVP we enjoy in plexs today. Hookbill pops minor, every enemy frig in range will burn to system, sounds like fun.....

Skimming your eye bleeding wall of text you asked about timer roll backs, I personally think that is a great idea, as well as many others. I am against notifications and that's it.

They affected aggregate occupancy (which meant even less back in the day) but once whoever controlled the after DT timezone decided that they were going to plex that system, there as absolutely nothing you do to in the other timezones to affect that due to the plexes getting stuck on respawn - and most US guys just gave up on occupancy warfare..

Yes, they were stuck at tier 1 in the long run. FW was on the cusp of having the winning side have dread alts in the opposing militia's to bust their own vulnerable bunkers. I know my corp was close to having 3-4 dread alts we could bust bunkers with in the Caldari militia. I know the minnies were doing the same. It was total crap.

Yes, I expect it to. But that is one controlled variable within the system. Trying to compare the current system to the old one with all of its flaws where plexes didn't exist/had less draw to run meant more people just fought away from plexes and ignored them altogether. My argument is your "kills per plex" metric is comparing apples to oranges from 2009 to now, and that otherwise pvp is up.



You could patrol all of FW space if people lived there, or enough people join FW like nulli. And the reverse - if one side is totally outnumbered, at least they can slink off, run a plex, and maybe kill scouts if people have to gather their own intel. Having risk free intel means a blob can just chase plexers around all day.

So, uh, let me get this straight.

I thought you were saying Gallente was full of stabbed farmers, hence this patch would be a net benefit to the Caldari?

Or is it that Caldari is full of stabbed farmers, and this patch is going to be a net benefit to the Gallente?

Or maybe CCP really doesn't take sides, and reducing the influence of farmers is good for everyone?

No, I'm saying that "we told you so". When they were on your side you guys were more than happy to have the advantage of having tons of worthless ISK farmers doing the grunt work for you.

We warned that it was a broken system and you should also speak out that it is broken because one day the system might turn against you. Seems that one day didn't take so long to come along, and here we have some of the very Gals that laughed when the Farmers were on their said saying "working as intended" are now crying about hoards of ISK farmers with cloaks & stabs.

As I said. I told you so..

Hows plexing those vulnerable systems working out?

We warned that it was a broken system and you should also speak out that it is broken because one day the system might turn against you. Seems that one day didn't take so long to come along, and here we have some of the very Gals that laughed when the Farmers were on their said saying "working as intended" are now crying about hoards of ISK farmers with cloaks & stabs.

As I said. I told you so..

No, I'm saying that "we told you so". When they were on your side you guys were more than happy to have the advantage of having tons of worthless ISK farmers doing the grunt work for you.

We warned that it was a broken system and you should also speak out that it is broken because one day the system might turn against you. Seems that one day didn't take so long to come along, and here we have some of the very Gals that laughed when the Farmers were on their said saying "working as intended" are now crying.

As I said. I told you so..

Who's that directed to?

Currently several Gallente militia corps are on pace for a record numbers of kills for this month even though it is only 28 days long. Working as intended.

We've always said the rats are too easy and invite too much farming, but unfortunately there is a certain moron (not even in FW anymore, like all the other morons who post stupid suggestions for FW) on the forums who posts about some idiotic "notification system" and "no rats in plexes" that CCP has listened to. But in any case, we got booted from Heyd, but fights/ganks/kills/whatever are up - and we're all having a blast.

Bottom line is that (certain) Squids should just STFU and take all our systems like we did to them.

Also npcs don't really prevent people from fitting cloaks or stabs.

If you are really so upset,

that you are calling just about everyone in your militia a moron, about your inability to shoot red crosses maybe try wormholes, or high sec missions, or fw missions, or belt ratting, or incursions, or anomalys or epic arcs or cosmos missions. But leave fw plexing as a single mechanic that allows pvp.

Any of the above activities is better than your criticizing the most intelliegent move ccp did with respect to fw.

Really? Would you say that anybody being targeted by a rat can't cloak? And that anybody who wants to kill a rat can't do it while cloaked?

that you are calling just about everyone in your militia a moron, about your inability to shoot red crosses maybe try wormholes, or high sec missions, or fw missions, or belt ratting, or incursions, or anomalys or epic arcs or cosmos missions. But leave fw plexing as a single mechanic that allows pvp.

Any of the above activities is better than your criticizing the most intelliegent move ccp did with respect to fw.

Nah, I'm just calling you a moron. I think everybody else understands that a notification system won't do squat, and that inappropriately sized rats invite massive levels of farming..

You must be a upset to be calling chatgris, and several other of your fellow gallente who welcomed the changes to npcs morons. BTW Chatgris is still in fw.

Also npcs don't really prevent people from fitting cloaks or stabs. Instead of having ccp prevent people from running your plexes (through their npcs) you could have the players do it. And yes a notification system would haelp players do that so we don't have to rely on npcs.

If you are really so upset, that you are calling just about everyone in your militia a moron, about your inability to shoot red crosses maybe try wormholes, or high sec missions, or fw missions, or belt ratting, or incursions, or anomalys or epic arcs or cosmos missions. But leave fw plexing as a single mechanic that allows pvp.

Any of the above activities is better than your criticizing the most intelliegent move ccp did with respect to fw.

Ignore all these fw dudes Cearain. You might be the only person who has ever advocated or seen any use in an automated notification system but dont let that discourage you. I look forward to the next year of you posting your sole opinion that this would be a good way for ccp to spend their time.

In fact ive changed my mind on the notification system. Ive decided to implement it myself right here. There are people running plexes everywhere RIGHT NOW!

Oh so your proposing that we go back to where you are constantly shooting rats (so they are preventing you from cloaking) and end the situation were the timer doesn't start to run until you kill all the rats? That would be a great move backwards.

In this very thread Chatgris in your militia praises the changes to the npcs for not interferring with pvp. The reduction of the importance of the npcs in determing the outcome of the war has been applauded by just about every who wants it to be a pvp mechanic. Only you crying that the npcs won't prevent people from capturing plexes. the rest agree that is a job for the players.

XG I love the way you are subtlly trying to suggest that this farmville is my doing.

Not really subtly trying to suggest anything at all. I think I've been pretty direct about it. (OK, not your fault. CCP's fault for listening to you. )

That said, we all know whenever there are payouts involved that farming will follow. CCP has one verified tool that can tune the level of farming done by the alts - the strength and frequency of the NPCs. In any case, it is what it is. See you in space.

Except the rats were both stronger and more frequent when the farming was even worse. The main thing that decreased the farming was nerfing the payouts.

NPCs are not the only answer. Players can be used to prevent losing space to farmers too. But we need better tools.

[ The system really isn't that bad. They only thing that is questionable is whether the squids will take every system before the farmers switch sides (again)...

There is no pvp advantage to being in a militia, only disadvantages.

While you may think your answer of a plex notification system is the answer, it isn't. There are plexers running plexes in almost every single Gallente held system for the entire 3-5 hours a night that I play. Notifications won't help that. What will help is a auto-reverse countdown so when I chase them off, I don't get the pleasure of reversing their timer to neutral while they go to another system and capture a plex there instead. The system really isn't that bad. They only thing that is questionable is whether the squids will take every system before the farmers switch sides (again)...

There are the LP payouts on enemy militia kills.

With respect to fw sov the problem is the same as ever. So the same fixes will be proposed until ccp implents them. Its not you. same arguments between those who want pve and those who want pvp.

THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz

Ok, as a trial run, everytime I open a plex on my main, or on any of my alts, I will send you a mail.

Its not when you open the plex, it's when you enter or leave a plex it woudl register in the channel.

It would be great if you could filter it to a certain number of jumps.

Combined with a sensible rollback timer and the alt hide and seek plexing would end.

Nope, I prefer my crappy dea to your crappy idea, and will continue to mail you as and when I open plexes

Look at all the gallente trying to so hard to prevent the FW sov game from becoming a pvp mechanic.

To think I used to have a bit of respect for you guys since you tend to be only second to amarr for most kills per player. Are you really that upset that I exposed how fw sov is won and therefore how you won your medal?

Whatever keep repeating that letting players know where plexes are being attacked will not help players defend them. It just shows how irrational you have become.

1. It's not a pvp mechanic unless both sides decide to engage.

4. Joint the IMINURPLEX channel now! You will be spoon fed plexing intel for the next week if you choose to do so.

Look at all the gallente trying to so hard to prevent the FW sov game from becoming a pvp mechanic.

To think I used to have a bit of respect for you guys since you tend to be only second to amarr for most kills per player. Are you really that upset that I exposed how fw sov is won and therefore how you won your medal?

Whatever keep repeating that letting players know where plexes are being attacked will not help players defend them. It just shows how irrational you have become.

I find it hard to believe you are serious about this. But on the off chance you are, I am usually not interested in arranged pvp or duels, but thanks. I used to do allot of them, and now I will occassionally agree to one, but I am typically not looking for them.

If somebody could come up with a PVP mechanic, then great. However, how does PVP control a system when there is nobody in that system to PVP? All it takes is for somebody to show up in that system and they are the strongest PVPer in that system since they are the only pilot there even if they are in a stabbed plexing frig.

Yes, yes, you claim your notification system will solve this problem but it won't. There are simply too many farmers farming everywhere all at once. Here is how your notification system will work:

SYSTEM MESSAGE: There are farmers in every single system except the system you are in and enemy home systems.

You say, cool there is a farmer next door, let me go kill him. You then proceed to jump into system.

SYSTEM MESSAGE: There are farmers in every single system except the system you are in and enemy home systems. The farmer that was just in the plex in this system is now in the plex in the system you just left.

You say "$^$@YRW&@ Farmer" and jump back to the system where you just were to kill the farmer.

SYSTEM MESSAGE: There are farmers in every single system except the system you are in and enemy home systems. The farmer that was just in the plex in this system seems to have cloaked up. The farmer appears to be openly mocking you while you run the plex he is cloaked in for 40 minutes while his 15 alts can close 2 plexes in every surrounding system.

Look at all the gallente trying to so hard to prevent the FW sov game from becoming a pvp mechanic.

To think I used to have a bit of respect for you guys since you tend to be only second to amarr for most kills per player. Are you really that upset that I exposed how fw sov is won and therefore how you won your medal?

Whatever keep repeating that letting players know where plexes are being attacked will not help players defend them. It just shows how irrational you have become.

The faction who ruins it's opponents in PVP statistics doesn't want FW to be a PVP mechanic. Corporations are setting and beating their kill records month after month.

Your logic is infallible.

BTW Novice/Medium/Large Outpost/Compound/Installation opening in Vlillerier/Oicx/Eha/Martoh/Innia/Renerelle/Aldranette/Nennamelia by Farmer1/Farmer2/Farmer3/X Gallentius.

Channel is already set up, and my main and afk plexing alts are already posting in it. And since when is notifying people where the plexes are being opened arranged pvp?

If somebody could come up with a PVP mechanic, then great. However, how does PVP control a system when there is nobody in that system to PVP? All it takes is for somebody to show up in that system and they are the strongest PVPer in that system since they are the only pilot there even if they are in a stabbed plexing frig.

Yes, yes, you claim your notification system will solve this problem but it won't. There are simply too many farmers farming everywhere all at once. Here is how your notification system will work:

Ill try to make this my last post to Cearain whoever he is.

I think i have about as many kills this month as he has in 2 years. My guess is he is having problems accepting that he is just bad at the game and blames the mechanic rather than l2p.

If somebody could come up with a PVP mechanic, then great. However, how does PVP control a system when there is nobody in that system to PVP? ..

well since we got back to gallente space our alliance kills are up (record broken), our corp kills are up (record broken) and also our top killers have changed its gone from the usual suspects to different pilots in the corp (guess what this record was also broken too by breddy). So i can say ur argument is invalid and yes i can also say its due to this itteration of fw

Just browsing through your corps top killers I don't see too much change in number of kills for the top 10 since august. And it looks like your corp started some time in july.

Sure if your corp is growing then it will have more kills but that would be very dumb to think the mechanics are the cause of that increase. Your not doing that are you?

So by your logic, if you look at the miltia numbers, since caldari has 700 more characters than us, and growing daily, they should be winning?

Activity matters as well. The side with the most plexers wins. Which isn't so bad. The problem is the best plexers are those who are complete carebears.


You and other gallente keep saying you keep getting more kills in your corp. But it appears that kills per player is not necessarilly rising. My point is that if you have a corp that doubles its numbers yet only has 10% more kills than last month that is not really so great.

If you are getting more kills per player then yes thats good. I just don't see that in your killboards.

Activity matters as well. The side with the most plexers wins. Which isn't so bad. The problem is the best plexers are those who are complete carebears.


You and other gallente keep saying you keep getting more kills in your corp. But it appears that kills per player is not necessarilly rising. My point is that if you have a corp that doubles its numbers yet only has 10% more kills than last month that is not really so great.

If you are getting more kills per player then yes thats good. I just don't see that in your killboards.

If you are getting more kills per player then yes thats good. I just don't see that in your killboards.

Why not?

JUSTK: Numbers Kills

QCATS: Numbers Kills

I looked at the same websites and saw that numbers have remained relatively flat while there has been a huge upswing in kills the last couple of months since Retribution came out (which was before we conquered all of the Caldari systems). Note that December kills for both corporations skyrocketed.

Or, one could skew the argument to fit his version of reality like you just did. Your choice.

Since the kills went up after the sov push ended and no other mechanics changed it seems the sov push had a negative impact on kills per player.

Yes it sucks that the Caldari decided to capitulate and not fight, and it sucks that the Gallente decided to dominate the theater instead of trying to get fights. Not a FW mechanics problem; it's a human nature problem.

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Gallente achieved their goal and decided to get fights rather than dominate. Caldari decided to enter the FW occupancy war again.

THIS IS FRUSTRATING.......Main come in plex kill npc and leave claoki alt to run timer.......

Thay don't fight back, impossibly to catch and have huge influence on FW zone control.

There are hordes of those now,way more than real players.

Whats the point of moving timer close to warp out point if every time i enter plex to catch opponents they just cloak????????????????

Fix cloaking CCP,the worst broken feature of alllllllll.

Thx.
Praz

Anyone else think the button in FW plexes should be a disruptor bubble?

I wouldnt trade my killboard for yours which is full of instalock non-fight kills like this:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18839539

If I just wanted kills I would get my booster alts like you and gate camp like crazy. I would also get lots of sensor boosters like you:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=18468956

So I could collect lots of non-fight killmails.

Anyone else think the button in FW plexes should be a disruptor bubble?