Im still having massive difficulty is understanding what all the crying is really about. Dont want Nex stuff? Dont buy it. Do want Nex stuff but have no RL money? PVE some isk, buy plex, exchange for AUR. Want Nex stuff, dont want to PVE but have RL money? Buy plex, swap it for Aur.

It REALLY changes nothing. PLEX is altready here, its already being used by the rich kids to buy their nightmares, machariels and Supers, RM IS ALREADY USED TO BUY EXPENSIVE BATTLE WINNING STUFF. Aurum wont change anything, its merely another way of trading, you can use in game or out of game money to buy AUR. Just like you can with PLEX.

Hey guys,

It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR.

There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins.

As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage.

I would think a simple solution to this would be the use of Aurum buys a bpc of said item which can then be turned over to someone to manufacture. Like instead of buying a paint skin there is instead a bpc to build said battleship with the paint scheme. Maybe make material for clothing, etc come from PI which would expand the uses for the goods from that. I just think it could be done in a way that both CCP and the manufacturing sector both can get their pieces of the pie.

It changes the method used to bring the content into the game.

Without NeX then things like clothing/ship skins etc would be seeded as blueprints to appropriate in-game npc corporations that people would buy and build by collecting the appropriate materials from missioning/exploration/reactions/PI etc etc. Basically this stuff would make more things for industrialists and pve orientated players to do and enjoy. It gets players in space doing stuff, using the tools the sandbox has provided them and providing competition and challenge (and targets) for other players. It can also make rare (hard to find and build) items truely rare because they are hard to find.

With NeX its just there in a nasty little interface that cuts out the enjoyment of all of the above and cheapens the Eve sandbox. Nothing is truly rare or "prestigious" because nothing actually takes any effort. I make -ú40-50 pound an hour in my day job. Isn't eve cheapened for me when I can click/buy ANYTHING in the NeX store rather than needing engage in some gameplay for it?

That is the difference between NeX and Plex.

Maybe you don't want to understand!

The nightmares and machariels and supers you are referring ares sold on the market in EvE and is the result of other players activity (grinding LP, trading, hauling, manufacturing, refining, inventing and fighting for resources with combat ships in null and with trade orders on the various regional markest in EvE). Try to imagine if these ships (and everything else) in EvE instead was created out of thin air and sold in a NeX-shop near you.

What would become of EvE ?

I would think a simple solution to this would be the use of Aurum buys a bpc of said item which can then be turned over to someone to manufacture. Like instead of buying a paint skin there is instead a bpc to build said battleship with the paint scheme. Maybe make material for clothing, etc come from PI which would expand the uses for the goods from that. I just think it could be done in a way that both CCP and the manufacturing sector both can get their pieces of the pie.

What I don't understand is this mistaken impression that CCP hasn't said anything about Aurum and NeX items.

They have. Repeatedly.

They've already said (on mutiple fronts) that the NeX is never going to be used to give players an 'edge'. They're leaving it solely for vanity items that have no effect on gameplay.

No, I dont agree simply becaus eof what you say, you earn enough money in RL that if you chose to do so you could buy enough plex to simply buy it outright if you wanted to.

I dont see clothes manufacturing as something that would A: help the games immersion or B: be somethign that immortal multi billion isk spaceship captains would engage in.

Its clothes, and paint jobs, its the kind of stuff that ordinary run of the mill people would do, and sell to everyone. So yes, tehre should be stuff that is literally just available to buy not produce otherwise it means that capsuleers are literally the only people in Eve, having to do everything themselves. Thats the in game way of seeing it.

The sky isn't falling. Relax. Take a breath.

I do not buy this line that "vanity" is somehow not a gameplay advantage. And I think many people (including the current CSM) have done a profound disservice to the player base by allowing CCP off the hook on this issue.

I thought Aurum was going to be what we used to pay Dust soldiers to do things for us or to buy them things when they are fighting?

Hey guys,

It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR.

There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins.

As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage.

Hey guys,

It was me that gave the talk at GDC that is being referred to in the quoted articles and I wanted to try and clarify CCP's plans on new uses for AUR.

There are currently no plans to introduce new uses for AUR in EVE aside from ship skins.

As Hilmar said in his blog and I reiterated in my GDC presentation, the EVE Development team understand that we made mistakes in the rollout of virtual items into EVE. We know that this means a lot to you so before making any kind of significant change to the implementation of virtual item sales or the uses of AUR we will consult with the CSM and the rest of the EVE community at the planning stage.

ISK is the primary currency for Dust. AUR is the currency that is given in exchange for real currency. Items can be purchased with either currency, but AUR is the obvious shortcut for those who don't want to work for their ISK. It's pretty similar to the whole PLEX exchange thing that's currently going on.

Stupid CCP making stupid connections between the two games like they said they were going to.

EVEN stupider CCP for allowing market factors to determine the exchange rates between RL cash and ingame cash (for both games) but not making a direct hard link between the value in BOTH games.



On an unrelated note: I wish to express my thanks to all the RAGE (or is that crying....cant tell) in this thread. Many laughs have been had, which has alleviated the effects of a stressful day here at work. KEEP POASTING!

Vanity items -- items that do not give a skill bonus or alter the playing ability of a player. Paying ten billion ISK for an ad doesn't suddenly make your pilots fly faster or better. Paying for a fleet logo doesn't somehow make your ship 'indestructible', nor does it make your ship any easier to shoot. And buying a pair of boots won't make your ship fly any faster, regardless of price.

The NeX is doing what it was designed to do: it allows pilots to buy a cosmetic appliance, or some better clothes, without giving one player an advantage over another. I mean, I suppose it could be concievable that we might shoot our old boots from our missile launchers (Nike at .5 c, anyone?) but I can hardly see how being better-dressed than someone else confers some kind of gameplay advantage.

And this is exactly the kind of slippery slope I am referring too in my long post on NeX and Incarna here:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=20208&find=unread

What I'd like to ask you CCP Caedmon is just when the ability to choose different skins for our spaceships in Eve Online changed from being a piece of nice to have core content that would hopefully lead to corporate and alliance logos on our vessels, to becoming "vanity" and thus valid material to deliver through a company store delivery mechanism inside an already subscription-based game?

Why shouldn't the ability to customize and sell paint schemes for our spaceships in Eve Online be a player profession that works within the normal market mechanics?

CCP still fails to learn that,

An ounce a piece from the many outweighs the pound a piece from the few.

Drop the NeX store prices to a trivial amount ($2-3 USD per item) and once you fully open Incarna you will inundated with purchases, you could be selling thousands of pairs of trousers and shirts instead of a few dozen monocles.

Having alliance logos on your ships will allow you to publicise and recruit for your alliance better than a rival that has not paid for the feature. I don't see how this is NOT a gameplay advantage.

By your argument political advertising in the real world is "vanity" and has no impact on who gets elected.

Seriously.

Having alliance logos on your ships will allow you to publicise and recruit for your alliance better than a rival that has not paid for the feature. I don't see how this is NOT a gameplay advantage.

By your argument political advertising in the real world is "vanity" and has no impact on who gets elected.

Seriously.

Why shouldn't the ability to customize and sell paint schemes for our spaceships in Eve Online be a player profession that works within the normal market mechanics?

This is kind of silly, how many people do you know that sit there and stare at other people's ships to see pretty textures? There is no advantage in mechanics by having silly skin customization. If a stupid logo is that important to people, then most people wouldn't have joined half the corps and alliances they do with the absurd names of some of them.

Meh. To be somewhat fair to Dust... it's a free-to-play game. There's going to be an initial cost, which is probably going to be around $20, but that gets exchanged to Aurum so you're introduced to the microtransaction element immediately. Since Dust is going to be a skill based game, I don't think there's much to worry about regarding pay-to-win. At least I hope not. We don't know much about the game to begin with so... yeah.

Having alliance logos on your ships will allow you to publicise and recruit for your alliance better than a rival that has not paid for the feature. I don't see how this is NOT a gameplay advantage.

Having alliance logos on your ships will allow you to publicise and recruit for your alliance better than a rival that has not paid for the feature. I don't see how this is NOT a gameplay advantage.

You give people too much credit. "Nice, I'll get a logo on my ship if I join X over Y" is good enough for a huge number of people.

What they are planning with skins is already being done in most subscription based MMOs on the market, and it works just fine, actually most MMOs take it even further than just skins and it works out great. There's no reason CCP shouldn't travel down this particular path, and it would be a bad business decision to try and placate those who don't want to spend $$ on vanity items.