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Virginia Virdana
Envoy Fast Deployment
24
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:33:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:But actually, historically it is quite true. So when society deemed slavery ok, slavery was ok? Calling me a troll won't change the fact that you're talking ****.
I think that this is quite an interesting point.
When society deemed slavery to be OK, it was OK by definition. Society, at that time and place in history, decided that it was ok to own another person.
Later, we decided that it was no longer acceptable to own other people, driven by a change in what each society felt was morally acceptable. As each society reached that point, they stopped, which is why slavery didn't stop simultaniously across the world.
What was morally acceptable 250 years ago, isn't acceptable today. You cannot apply your morality to a different point in time, in the same way you cannot apply it universally across different cultures, or even segments of your own society.
For example, if you have two people, each does the same job for the same firm, at the same wage. One is an employee and has access to the benefits that confirs. One is a long term temp and has no access to the benefits. Is the employer morally wrong?
In purely capitalist society the answer is no - they are giving themselves flexiblity in their hiring and firing, and preserving shareholder value. In a purely socialist society the answer is yes - they are abusing the rights of the long term temp to reduce their financial liability and curtailing the workers rights.
Which society is right?
They say never come to a gunfight armed with a knife.You appear to have come armed with a spoon. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3432
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:39:00 -
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50 years ago just the very fact that I am a gaymale would have landed me in prison, and possibly undergoing shock therapy.
Now I can get married.
Right and wrong is a very very malleable thing. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
42
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:40:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:Weaselior wrote:Sol Weinstein wrote:I think typing out "EvE" is offensive, but it isn't going to change anything.
"Offensive" is an arbitrary term. Please stop pushing your beliefs onto other people. We already have two perfectly good words that start with "N" that we cannot use due to peoples' over-sensitivity. No thanks for including more to the list that takes away freedom of speech.
Thank you. freedom of speech is protection against the government people and corporations cutting ties with you and shunning you is exactly how it's supposed to work What? dumbass whining about freedom of speech when people and corporations are shunning you is nonsense freedom of speech means you don't get thrown in jail not you don't get shunned and despised
What?
Jail?
What?
Thank you. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2205
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:51:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Lets hope not, this is a game geared towards adults after all.
Let me fill that out a bit.
Geared towards adults that are fascinated by bodily functions and believe that being a sociopath is the new normal. Adults who failed grade two English, yet mange to remember every stat for every ship set up in the game. Adults that feel they are omnipotent because they are anonymous. Adults that think offering pain is better than altruism. Adults that feel sunlight is a tool of the devil and real life socializing will give them cooties.
In short, adults to which adult behavior is a foreign concept.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
400
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:52:00 -
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I see nobody's mentioned this, so I'm dropping by with a reminder. Names are not changed because they're offensive to one player or another. They are changed by a GM applying/interpreting the name policy of Eve Online. No more, no less. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3432
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Posted - 2013.02.11 18:53:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Lets hope not, this is a game geared towards adults after all. Let me fill that out a bit. Geared towards adults that are fascinated by bodily functions and believe that being a sociopath is the new normal. Adults who failed grade two English, yet mange to remember every stat for every ship set up in the game. Adults that feel they are omnipotent because they are anonymous. Adults that think offering pain is better than altruism. Adults that feel sunlight is a tool of the devil and real life socializing will give them cooties. In short, adults to which adult behavior is a foreign concept. Mr Epeen
All excellent points. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
52
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:06:00 -
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If it violates the EULA, then you are well within your right to report them. In case you do not know what is reportable, see: http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=37
ISD beat me to it. Oh well. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
256
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:08:00 -
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i once had a bio with a story in it made up entirely of character names.
its was a good but offensive story.
I got it taken away by a GM after someone reported it.
I noticed afterwards that all the characters still existed by the same names.
double standards or what. Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits? |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
240
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:27:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You are confused by the semantics of the words OK and wrong, which are malleable within both sides of any issue.
This is the effect of the downfall of the education system the past few decades folks. Welcome to it. Quite a articulate way of saying nothing.
Virginia Virdana wrote:I think that this is quite an interesting point.
When society deemed slavery to be OK, it was OK by definition. Society, at that time and place in history, decided that it was ok to own another person.
Later, we decided that it was no longer acceptable to own other people, driven by a change in what each society felt was morally acceptable. As each society reached that point, they stopped, which is why slavery didn't stop simultaniously across the world.
What was morally acceptable 250 years ago, isn't acceptable today. You cannot apply your morality to a different point in time, in the same way you cannot apply it universally across different cultures, or even segments of your own society. But I can. A person who is used as slave labour suffers. Such slaves suffer now. Such slaves suffered 250 years ago. Under any moral system concerned with the well being of people, it is immoral. And since morality by definition deals with the wellbeing of people, it is inescapable.
Virginia Virdana wrote:For example, if you have two people, each does the same job for the same firm, at the same wage. One is an employee and has access to the benefits that confirs. One is a long term temp and has no access to the benefits. Is the employer morally wrong?
In purely capitalist society the answer is no - they are giving themselves flexiblity in their hiring and firing, and preserving shareholder value. In a purely socialist society the answer is yes - they are abusing the rights of the long term temp to reduce their financial liability and curtailing the workers rights.
Which society is right? Hard question to answer - but not having an answer doesn't mean there isn't one. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3437
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Posted - 2013.02.11 19:55:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:You are confused by the semantics of the words OK and wrong, which are malleable within both sides of any issue.
This is the effect of the downfall of the education system the past few decades folks. Welcome to it. Quite a articulate way of saying nothing.
No. You just want a 'reaction'.
So you'll get one in the form of a Block.
Congratulations.
Type away but from now on I won't see your brainless nonsense. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4430
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Posted - 2013.02.11 20:32:00 -
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does anyone actually believe krixtal has the self-control not to click on "see this post" for every poster he supposedly blocks |
YuuKnow
Boom-Town
637
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:08:00 -
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Orbital Dyke wrote:Here to remind everyone this is a game so enjoy it and lighten up
But what players don't realize is that when they bring into the 'game' their real-life offensiveness then they actually take away from that enjoyment. Doesn't matter if your in the game world, there's something about calling your toon "Downs Syndrome Kid" or corp "Window-Lickers" that contaminates the game world with the same real-world unpleasantness that folks play games to forget, and snaps them back from game enjoyment to the reality of RL bigots.
Of course CCP is a private company. So if they want Eve to act as a way for players to release they're inner ethnic, racial, sexist, or national biogotries anonamously then its their right as a company to do so. But it will be limiting their audience and ultimately will become a vector for the hateful and bigotted in the eyes of the gaming community at large...(anyone want to play ethnic intolerance online anyone?)
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
579
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:10:00 -
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Turelus wrote:It's something most people in EVE see every day, joke character and corps names which really are offensive and shouldn't be there. Where's that bloody damned "Add Bounty" button, already?!
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
579
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:12:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:I see nobody's mentioned this, so I'm dropping by with a reminder. Names are not changed because they're offensive to one player or another. They are changed by a GM applying/interpreting the name policy of Eve Online. No more, no less. /Thread Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Jada Maroo
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
1010
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:18:00 -
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It must be awfully tiring going through life looking for things to be offended by. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3439
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:20:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:It must be awfully tiring going through life looking for things to be offended by.
One does not (normally, but some indeed do) look for them.
They get flung directly into ones face without asking. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1946
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:41:00 -
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Posting in a thread that has turned into a debate between moral absolutism and moral relativism.
Also...
Mr. Epeen wrote:[A game] Geared towards adults that are fascinated by bodily functions and believe that being a sociopath is the new normal. Adults who failed grade two English, yet mange to remember every stat for every ship set up in the game. Adults that feel they are omnipotent because they are anonymous. Adults that think offering pain is better than altruism. Adults that feel sunlight is a tool of the devil and real life socializing will give them cooties.
In short, adults to which adult behavior is a foreign concept. http://xkcd.com/150/
To paraphrase; "We are the adults now. We get to decide what being an adult means." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:47:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:If any parent around lets their kids play Eve it's not CCP you should blame but those irresponsible parents, maybe give them some professional phone number to learn their job and stop complaining it's never their fault.
Advertisement says it's not for kids and sensible souls, they can also choose to not play but if they do they can just STFU.
Who says the parents have kids playing? I am sure there are adults playing as we speak that are some how connected to children of special needs. Should these parents be offended by such a name? |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
60
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:52:00 -
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I don't report names or language. Dirty language does no harm to me, seeing as how I'm older than four. Live and let live and such. |
KrakizBad
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
1329
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:53:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:does anyone actually believe krixtal has the self-control not to click on "see this post" for every poster he supposedly blocks As much as his ability to unsubscribe. www.minerbumping.com - because your tears are delicious |
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Aracimia Wolfe
Fade To Darkness
171
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Posted - 2013.02.11 21:56:00 -
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This is probably going to get me lynched but here goes.
I used to work as a games master for a different company a few mill subscribers, something about crafting wars. Might be still going, avoid it tho it's really rubbish.
Annnyway.
My first day on the job actually answering tickets and the german servers go down, no warning just WOOMPH they're gone. As can be expected a few german players make alts on other language servers and start crapping up the equivalant of local. Now alot of em had silly names some of them a bit borderline. They were generally ignored. if a petition was raised it would be investigated but in general the final decision was on a GM by GM basis as per their interpretation of the rules at hand.
And frankly thats fine. If a GM has to triple check himself on every ticket there is no way in all the seven hells they're going to be able to handle an effective number of tickets that shift.
All in all however it's not the everyday players that raise naming petitions I found. In fact the largest number of reported titles came from RPers on RP servers.
"Here is todays list of petitions that break the EULA I demand you ban these people instantaneously for their travesty" 1: Bob 2: SirFunkalot 3: lolrpsmells
3 Gets a forced change everyone else stayed as is (Seriously Sirfunkalot? Disco Stu says yes)
Again another GM might have done it different, but one mans rage is another mans meh. They won't please everybody all the time, in fact they won;t please hardly anybody hardly any of the time.
Theres more important stuff to petition, and even if they do they can't tell you what they did. Some stuff gets lost in translation, some stuff isn't all that bad and other stuff will get CaldariCitizened so fast they'll get amnesia.
I prefer block over petition, it's easier it's less strain on a small (I suspect, at least compartively) GM team and frankly we're mostly all adults here.
Diatribe over now go back to spaceships Malcanis for CSM 8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 o7
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Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
172
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:40:00 -
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Turelus wrote:It's something most people in EVE see every day, joke character and corps names which really are offensive and shouldn't be there. While I'm the kind of person who doesn't get offended by these names I'm always sure there are those that do, CCP say they don't want them and have the tools for reporting them but I have to ask the player base as a whole... does anyone bother?
I mean all I can imagine is that if I actually file petitions for all the names I saw which shouldn't be there CCP would soon have hundreds of petitions from me.
I bring this up after seeing a corporation being advertised named "Window Lickers. [DWNZ]" and all I can think is yeah... that's pretty close to the line if not already over it in my mind. Does that even count on CCP's level of offensive/rude though?
Consider the source then Harden The *uck Up. |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:59:00 -
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The answer is.......
Don't play if you don't like the smell....
"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle." |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1442
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:01:00 -
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Spacefuck was only a day old when he got switched to Amar Citizen. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
90
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:09:00 -
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Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:If any parent around lets their kids play Eve it's not CCP you should blame but those irresponsible parents, maybe give them some professional phone number to learn their job and stop complaining it's never their fault.
Advertisement says it's not for kids and sensible souls, they can also choose to not play but if they do they can just STFU.
Apparently EvE has a T for Teen rating for some reason. If they wanted adults only they would have M for Mature or AO for adults only. Though the Thorax is pretty reason enough for an AO rating. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
243
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:No. You just want a 'reaction'.
So you'll get one in the form of a Block.
Congratulations.
Type away but from now on I won't see your brainless nonsense. I wonder if he actually blocked me. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Zol Interbottom
Nanotrasen Inc
165
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:23:00 -
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a deal with it is fine too Stupid forum posts become my MS-Paint art, send me some stupid posts if you see them |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
3440
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:41:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Spacef*** was only a day old when he got switched to Amar Citizen.
I vaguely remember reporting that one.
EDIT: Also, learn to spell Ammar. Be yourself; everyone else is already taken.-á-á-á-á-á-á - Oscar Wilde - 1870's |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1444
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:02:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Spacef*** was only a day old when he got switched to Amar Citizen. I vaguely remember reporting that one. EDIT: Also, learn to spell Ammar.
Hold on while I roleplay an amar fury (no one cares). |
Aracimia Wolfe
Brave Newbies Inc.
175
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:04:00 -
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*Amarr
If you like I shall sing you the song of my people. Malcanis for CSM 8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717 \o/ \o/ \o/ \o/ m8m8m8m8m8m8m8 o7
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