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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Alowishus
I think the thing about this arguing is that MC is very good at ganks and they are able to deffend this strategy by saying that they are paid to kill people, not have "fair, honorable, virtually arranged fleet battles." But they make these announcements on the forums that come across as*****y and an insistance of superiority against their contract. It's not going to get anyone anywhere because Selene is still going to do her RP, as she always has, and IMP isn't going to accept that MC is "superior" when they use gank tactics. So why don't we all just **** off and not look like asses?
Don't buy the IMP hype. A large proportion of these 'ganks' are conducted when we're outnumbered heavily in local. I sometimes wonder what people class as a 'gank'. Is it a 'gank' when we use Cov Ops to warp 2-3 inties on top of a ship that has strayed away from the pack, kill it, and then warp out quickly? I accept that this way of working isn't the same a stand up equal numbers fight, but it's hardly the same as sitting 50 people on a gate and insta-ganking any lone ship that turns up (which is what most people would accept to be the standard 'gank' scenario).
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pacifica
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:09:00 -
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As for SolidLine we are Imperium we did fight you but was pointless
1 fact is you only engage when you was in number and even that we did 1 of us make you yes you 10 mc 5 cruiser and heavy assault cruiser and interceptor run like hell from top station often and yes you did convo this persone asking how the hell he was doing so much dmg at the range he was.
i see often mc logoff because we was geting a fleet.
So my point is WE DIDN T PLAY THIS GAME LIKE YOU WANT 
that s all i have to say and YES I M A MEMBER OF IMPERIUM 
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:18:00 -
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It was an interesting war overall, some good fights were had.
You did tend to overuse your out of system safespots in Orvolle, which tended to bite you in the ass as more than once we had enough time to warp in and kill your "bait", collect loot and get out, in the time it took your out of system fleet to cover the however many hundred AU from their safespot to the interior of the system. Park the fleet a little closer next time ;).
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P1rate Dave
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: P1rate Dave on 21/07/2005 22:20:57
one last thing to say, then im leaving this thread forever:
good fight mc 
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:23:00 -
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Edited by: Leosian on 21/07/2005 22:24:56
Originally by: Nelson Vandermark
Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: star2
JKING aside was there a war 
if you could call it that, which personally i wouldnt. Atleast in the previous contract they actually put up a fight. This time round have they done very little other than dock or flee to the other side of the map in some vain attempt at fighting 5 with their new buddies PA.
Outer Ring is pretty much deserted by IMP bar the few npcers and miners. MASS have pretty much moved in. Orvolle is next to deserted of IMP (though there are plenty of war dodgers in there) and as said, apart from the occasional RONA agent runner theres no presence from IMP at all in empire. Even their new base down in Agil is pretty much empty of IMP. The only place you see them these days is camping keberz gate in HED, which must be great fun, while MASS and us have free roam of outer ring
Seriously Xirtam, is there really anything left of ur alliance cos i really dont see it. Theres no empire presence, no 0.0 presence in ur claimed space. You have 800 members yet there isnt any of u online. Im not trying to flame you or anything, i have little interest in your quant alliance other than to blow you up when im paid to, but im still curious as to what you guys that are left in IMP are actually doing
Seriously, Eyeshadow it really isnÆt any of youÆre business in commenting on anyoneÆs alliance other than your own.
hmmm...comments by Clankillers. I find it interesting since only 11 of your ships have been destroyed (according to our Imp contract tracker at the time of this posting). We can make all the observations about our targets that we wish. Maybe Clankillers should come out and play more to show us the error of our ways.
Overall a lot of respect to those members of Imperium who did come out and fight. Good fights all around.
Let the slaughter of empire begin...
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Kalened
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:24:00 -
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MC says "We cant find IMP so we're cancelling the war." IMP responds "Hi we're IMP and we've been in curse for over a month please feel free to come fight." To which MC replies "nah i cant be bothered." Wow whoever hired MC is due a big refund. Everyone knows IMP is down south how the hell did MC miss that? As merc's arent you obliged to look for a fight? Or do you use BoB and 5's strategy of only fighting miners?
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 21/07/2005 22:24:18
Sir, a few questions.
Originally by: pacifica
As for SolidLine we are Imperium we did fight you but was pointless
Are you saying that fighting alongside your alliance mates in a sanctioned empire war is pointless? If this is the case, why firstly did other your brother corporations "stick it out" and why have so many others whom we have been at war with, "stick it out". If they are fighting pointlessly, what do you consider them to be? Tactically inept? fools? pointless? brave?
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1 fact is you only engage when you was in number and even that we did 1 of us make you yes you 10 mc 5 cruiser and heavy assault cruiser and interceptor run like hell from top station often and yes you did convo this persone asking how the hell he was doing so much dmg at the range he was.
Not true, and not a fact. We have often fought outnumbered as many alliances can and have attested to. We have fought Imperium outnumbered as well, though not very often on this contract I am told. There have been numerous one on one kills in the contract tracker and not all are against outnumbered pilots. You do your alliance and your alliance mates a dis-service by impinging their fights. I ask you to withdraw this blatently false blanket statement.
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i see often mc logoff because we was geting a fleet.
Times and places please, on this contract.
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So my point is WE DIDN T PLAY THIS GAME LIKE YOU WANT that s all i have to say and YES I M A MEMBER OF IMPERIUM
I am sorry sir, you are not a member of the Imperium IGA unlike numerous other corporations as solidline left the IGA on 2005.07.11 00:01:00.
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Leosian
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
MC says "We cant find IMP so we're cancelling the war." IMP responds "Hi we're IMP and we've been in curse for over a month please feel free to come fight." To which MC replies "nah i cant be bothered." Wow whoever hired MC is due a big refund. Everyone knows IMP is down south how the hell did MC miss that? As merc's arent you obliged to look for a fight? Or do you use BoB and 5's strategy of only fighting miners?
I find this as a typical canned response from someone who is not even associated with our employer or the Imperium Alliance. What concern is it of yours Kalened?
Let the slaughter of empire begin...
Momma's don't let your babies grow up to be miners... |
Kalened
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Leosian
Originally by: Kalened
MC says "We cant find IMP so we're cancelling the war." IMP responds "Hi we're IMP and we've been in curse for over a month please feel free to come fight." To which MC replies "nah i cant be bothered." Wow whoever hired MC is due a big refund. Everyone knows IMP is down south how the hell did MC miss that? As merc's arent you obliged to look for a fight? Or do you use BoB and 5's strategy of only fighting miners?
I find this as a typical canned response from someone who is not even associated with our employer or the Imperium Alliance. What concern is it of yours Kalened?
What do i know? I know IMP is in curse.. apparently thats more than you or your employer knew.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 21/07/2005 22:31:57
Imp is in curse?
There are some 5-10 names who are in HED most of the time..
Using 600 AU safes.
What point is it for MC to come down and fight when the few IMP out here wont fight the locals in the first place?
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:32:00 -
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Edited by: Trooper B99 on 21/07/2005 22:33:44
And in addition to what Leosian says Kalened, we were asked by our client to withdraw the war at this time. We did not withdraw it on a whim. We are paid to fight between certain time periods. We have no reason to re-declare at this time as we have not been contracted to do so, so they are more than welcome to tell us where they are telling us they are.
We are just as well within our rights to say "so what, not our concern at this time". We fight who, where and when we are asked to by our client. Despite them all being in Curse there are still numerous kills on the IMP contract tracker.
EDIT: added contract tracker
Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
What do i know? I know IMP is in curse.. apparently thats more than you or your employer knew.
A small detatchment of IMP harrasing 5 does not equal "Imperium is in Curse."
As for fighting only miners, your corp has met us before and if our paths cross again then tell your mining barges to look out! 
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Farjung
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
Originally by: Leosian
Originally by: Kalened
MC says "We cant find IMP so we're cancelling the war." IMP responds "Hi we're IMP and we've been in curse for over a month please feel free to come fight." To which MC replies "nah i cant be bothered." Wow whoever hired MC is due a big refund. Everyone knows IMP is down south how the hell did MC miss that? As merc's arent you obliged to look for a fight? Or do you use BoB and 5's strategy of only fighting miners?
I find this as a typical canned response from someone who is not even associated with our employer or the Imperium Alliance. What concern is it of yours Kalened?
What do i know? I know IMP is in curse.. apparently thats more than you or your employer knew.
I dispute that Imperium are in Curse actually. Catch, maybe. I know the Rubra boys are kicking around in the deep south, harassing Stain and Ascendant, but Xirtam and his troupe seem to spend most of their time in HED-GP, retreating to out of system safespots when the nightly .5. clean-up crew rolls in.
Someone really needs to keep me away from the Taranis |
Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: pacifica
As for SolidLine we are Imperium we did fight you but was pointless
1 fact is you only engage when you was in number and even that we did 1 of us make you yes you 10 mc 5 cruiser and heavy assault cruiser and interceptor run like hell from top station often and yes you did convo this persone asking how the hell he was doing so much dmg at the range he was.
i see often mc logoff because we was geting a fleet.
So my point is WE DIDN T PLAY THIS GAME LIKE YOU WANT
that s all i have to say and YES I M A MEMBER OF IMPERIUM
You should look at your own signature.
OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs) |
Darkrydar
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Posted - 2005.07.21 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kalened
Originally by: Leosian
Originally by: Kalened
MC says "We cant find IMP so we're cancelling the war." IMP responds "Hi we're IMP and we've been in curse for over a month please feel free to come fight." To which MC replies "nah i cant be bothered." Wow whoever hired MC is due a big refund. Everyone knows IMP is down south how the hell did MC miss that? As merc's arent you obliged to look for a fight? Or do you use BoB and 5's strategy of only fighting miners?
I find this as a typical canned response from someone who is not even associated with our employer or the Imperium Alliance. What concern is it of yours Kalened?
What do i know? I know IMP is in curse.. apparently thats more than you or your employer knew.
OMG, WE'RE UBER (POS KILLS for the nubs) |
Velsharoon
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Posted - 2005.07.21 23:19:00 -
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Everyone needs a *huggle* here methinks
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.21 23:44:00 -
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This thread is too funny..
Leaving an alliance to escape empire war dec'ing.. oh man.. sounds like MC did another good job..
 
--thoth
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.21 23:45:00 -
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If Curse is the Pator -> Hed-gp route then IMP are in Curse.
If "Harassing" means having your fleet commander lose his BS more often than the enemy is losing BSs in total then IMP are harassing .5.
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Clementina
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Posted - 2005.07.21 23:49:00 -
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Since I'm probably the RONA Agent Runner that Seleene is so fond of talking about. I feel that I need to respond to this mess.
Unfortinately I really don't have much to say other then that bickering over wheather kills are 'ganks' or whatever is not an argument that leads to illumination. I've noticed that kills are kills. I've also noticed other things, but I'm polite, so I'll leave it at that.
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The Praetor
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Posted - 2005.07.22 00:10:00 -
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Nice Ganking MC!
The Facts as I saw Them:
My Compliments: You guys are solid PvPers and you are really good at guerilla tactics. No smart commander would engage when the enemy is superior in number.
During European Primetime, you guys were running the show. Although there was one time where you guys ran from a fair fight in Orvolle, near the beginning of the war, and I don't know why, I had a Zealot and Megathron jammed, but I thought you were still going to win. Perhaps not.
But a HUGE portion of our PvP players are American Time Zone. Our weakness (and therefore your strength) during Euro Prime Time is no secret. During American prime time, I rarely saw you guys. I AFK flew from Orvolle to Agil and back several times unmolested during American Peak hours.
As for Imperium Space (Outer Ring), I saw ONE MC out there (Nina Miers) the whole time, and she ran ran off when I undocked (scouting maybe). With the exception of Nina Miers, I never personally saw MC in Outer Ring, Catch, or Curse during the entire contract.
But, its not MC who are the chicken ****s, its whoever hired you and wouldn't face Imperium personally.
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.22 00:12:00 -
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Since youve been in curse all of twice, its hard for you to judge who is there
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Ikvar
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Posted - 2005.07.22 01:21:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Ithildin
Well, maybe Drilla isn't secondary alt, who knows?
Drilla is my alt.
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Avatar Ashlee
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Posted - 2005.07.22 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: The Praetor
Nice Ganking MC!
The Facts as I saw Them:
My Compliments: You guys are solid PvPers and you are really good at guerilla tactics. No smart commander would engage when the enemy is superior in number.
During European Primetime, you guys were running the show. Although there was one time where you guys ran from a fair fight in Orvolle, near the beginning of the war, and I don't know why, I had a Zealot and Megathron jammed, but I thought you were still going to win. Perhaps not.
But a HUGE portion of our PvP players are American Time Zone. Our weakness (and therefore your strength) during Euro Prime Time is no secret. During American prime time, I rarely saw you guys. I AFK flew from Orvolle to Agil and back several times unmolested during American Peak hours.
As for Imperium Space (Outer Ring), I saw ONE MC out there (Nina Miers) the whole time, and she ran ran off when I undocked (scouting maybe). With the exception of Nina Miers, I never personally saw MC in Outer Ring, Catch, or Curse during the entire contract.
But, its not MC who are the chicken ****s, its whoever hired you and wouldn't face Imperium personally.
I hired MC, now come get me. Ill be in Curse. Maby you will take Sv5 one day... just maby...
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Nelson Vandermark
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Posted - 2005.07.22 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Leosian
hmmm...comments by Clankillers. I find it interesting since only 11 of your ships have been destroyed (according to our Imp contract tracker at the time of this posting). We can make all the observations about our targets that we wish. Maybe Clankillers should come out and play more to show us the error of our ways.
Overall a lot of respect to those members of Imperium who did come out and fight. Good fights all around.
To be perfectly honest maybe you should actual do some research on the actual person that you are directing youÆre accusations, but than again being in corporation which is in alliance operation within the catch and cruse regions kind of keeps up our hands full.
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Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2005.07.22 04:10:00 -
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"You could even ask Xirtam + Aneu (last contract, final day, we annihilated ur fleet in PF-346, just to freshen ur memories). "
OMG. You are talking about when we were sitting off the gate with 8 or so battleships as you jump in with a fleet of over 25? good call...yeah at least we have the cajones to fight outnumbered....
"TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO"
2005.06.17 07:15:13 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer
Artillery II perfectly strikes Nebba Kenezzer [SNRA], wrecking for 2250.9 damage. |
Shiwan Khan
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Posted - 2005.07.22 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ithildin
We were bored with you long before MASS interfered (read: got bored in Orvolle, too) and long before you went south.
Xetic were fun, FoE were entertainment supreme, but you are just boring. It's not whether you are good or bad, you're just plain boring.
Even Enslaver's alt-corp TC had a contract on were more fun. Secondary chars with no need to log on. Well, maybe Drilla isn't secondary alt, who knows?
Lucky for us its not our job to entertain you then huh? If you wern't entertained you just didnt try hard enough, and that is no one's fault but your own
"TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO"
2005.06.17 07:15:13 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer
Artillery II perfectly strikes Nebba Kenezzer [SNRA], wrecking for 2250.9 damage. |
w0rmy
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Posted - 2005.07.22 05:00:00 -
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Edited by: w0rmy on 22/07/2005 05:02:08
Originally by: Stormfront
Edited by: Stormfront on 21/07/2005 22:31:57
Imp is in curse?
There are some 5-10 names who are in HED most of the time..
Using 600 AU safes.
What point is it for MC to come down and fight when the few IMP out here wont fight the locals in the first place?
Arent you the same guy who invited me into your gang in HLW yesterday?
Or were you the one who gave me the instas around curse space before checking my info?
Sorry, cant remember.
Originally by: The Praetor
But, its not MC who are the chicken ****s, its whoever hired you and wouldn't face Imperium personally.
Now I know why I love you so mcuh!!!!!!
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Hoozin
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Posted - 2005.07.22 05:08:00 -
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Summary:
Seleene: Client says you guys suck. We give up. Some corps quit your alliance too because we rock.
Imp: Nuh-uh. We rock, you guys just ganked us a lot. And those corps left for "other" reasons.
MC: Just calling it how we see it.
Imp: Well you're wrong. MC sucks. Client overpayed.
MC: Client doesn't think so, but then again we didn't see enough of you to actually gauge your combat abilities.
Imp: We were playing down South. We don't exist so you can have fun.
MC: Too true.
Yada yada yada rinse and repeat, adding outside *****fest comments.
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Seleene
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Posted - 2005.07.22 05:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shiwan Khan
"You could even ask Xirtam + Aneu (last contract, final day, we annihilated ur fleet in PF-346, just to freshen ur memories). "
OMG. You are talking about when we were sitting off the gate with 8 or so battleships as you jump in with a fleet of over 25? good call...yeah at least we have the cajones to fight outnumbered....
The last day of our last IMP contract.
Ummm... Shiwan, I'm watching the FRAPS right now. You, and your PA buddies, had at least 12 or 13 BS plus support there. There are fifteen kills listed in that battle, nine of which are BS. Our side lost a Stiletto and a RIP Mega.
When we first jumped in, we had 10 BS plus support in a mixed MC / Requiem fleet. We had a couple more BS jump in about 2/3's of the way through the fight. It was about as even a fight as you're ever going to see in this game and jumped into your gate camp. You were at ranges from 10-50km from the gate. From the time I decloaked and started calling targets to the time the last red square warped off, the battle lasted six minutes and forty-two seconds.
But don't take my or any other MC's word for it. Talk to EternalDark who was there in his Scorpion.
My point - this nonsense that we don't fight even odds or are pure gankers, etc... It doesn't hold water. We're paid to go after targets which means we don't have the option to sit around and "wait until next time" because we're on the clock.
Of course, nothing will come of this most likely. You have your version of events and we have ours. All my guys are saying is that last time it felt like more of a fight.
Oh, and Hoozin's post above is pretty damn accurate.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.07.22 06:33:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Ummm... Shiwan, I'm watching the FRAPS right now. You, and your PA buddies, had at least 12 or 13 BS plus support there. There are fifteen kills listed in that battle, nine of which are BS. Our side lost a Stiletto and a RIP Mega.
They've always had a bit of an issue with counting even when we were in CA. We would call it the Matrix, it can be calculated like this:
Ships killed:
K=A*0.4
Where K is the number of stated ships killed, A is the actual number of ships killed.
In a similar manner losses:
L=A-O
L is the stated amount of losses, A is the actual number of losses, O is the amount of people who log off directly after dying.
We had a classic example of this the other day, so much so that I had to wait several minutes while Lallante pulled himself together. Sitting on there TS just before a small battle which involved 9 of our BS vs 11 of thiers,Lallante repeatdly heard the statment of the fact that they had 11 BS. Of course the fight occured breifly after this, with the usual outcome.
However disturbingly after the engagement wild statements were heard over the imp comms. For example one well know imp fleet commander was heard to say:
"How many BS did we have guys?"
"11" said several people
This FC then immediatley posted in local how they had only had 7 BS. Amasingly the [5] fleets complement turned from a mere 9 BS to 25 BS in this local rant. To try and and rectify an obviously highly embarrasing situation the imp FC was then heard to shout over TS:
"Where are those 2 BS kill mails ?!?!!?!?!"
"It was 2 inties Xirt ......... "
I'm not sure whether its just crazy amount of optomism, or just plain sad.
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