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Unrah	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:25:00 - [1] I just finished my post patch isk spending calculation, and my wallet feels quite abused! Since the patch, i spent close to 30 bil in Freighter/capitalcomponent BPO`s and freighter Flying/Produceing skillbooks, and my future investment plans tell me this ain`t over yet. These isk loads were all swallowed by npc`s meaning its out of the isk circulation. Now i am really curious about the total amount of isk which went down the drain since the patch (my personal guess is around 300 to 400 bil) and the consequences for the market. Whats your suggestions?
fairimear	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:39:00 - [2] personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Gilbert Drillerson	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Unrah I just finished my post patch isk spending calculation, and my wallet feels quite abused! Since the patch, i spent close to 30 bil in Freighter/capitalcomponent BPO`s and freighter Flying/Produceing skillbooks, and my future investment plans tell me this ain`t over yet. These isk loads were all swallowed by npc`s meaning its out of the isk circulation. Now i am really curious about the total amount of isk which went down the drain since the patch (my personal guess is around 300 to 400 bil) and the consequences for the market. Whats your suggestions? I think more than 1400 Bill went to the NPC's since last patch, they where spent on BPO's, skills for dreads and freighters. I also think it was needed, isk was loosing value b4 the patch. 500 people buying Dread and freighter skills would have used approx 300 bill on that alone, add to that 25 sets of BPO'd for Dreads at approx 20 bill ea. thats another 500 bill, then you add 50 sets of freighter BPO's at approx 12 mill ea. (double BPO's for critical components like cargo bays and partts) adds another 600 bill. And i think im probably on the low side here. /Gil

Oveur	Posted - 2005.07.23 13:55:00 - [4] Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner hes kinda right ______________ Bringing some frickin color to the forum.
Galk	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:03:00 - [6] I think your very lucky you had 30 billion to spend as you wish unrah. Lots didn't and don't have, there the ones that suffer the concequences. The circle continues reguardless, past failings can't be fudged in this manner. -------- "I have always depended on the kindness of strangers." 'A Streetcar Named Desire'
Oi Poloi	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner Oveurlord is back ----- DJ 4tw
Nafri	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:05:00 - [8] Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. isk gained by NPCs must be taken by NPCs Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?

Oveur	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:07:00 - [9] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. isk gained by NPCs must be taken by NPCs Nafri speaks words of wisdom. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.

Amaron Ghant	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner Heh Heh Heh The sudden evaporation of isk is a good thing. Roids are a Menece I tell you, hunt then down I say, hunt them down!! Amaron Ghant the Mad Caldari Miner
Goat Boy	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:11:00 - [11] Edited by: Goat Boy on 23/07/2005 14:13:03 Since Eve is hosted in a self contained finite space, it must mean that the isk's are going with in it, i.e. not exported. That should result in that the strength of the isk versus other currencies is rising and that is very good news for people importing things into Eve universe, the only minor problem with line of logic is that there is no out side of the Eve universe, with the exception of the Jove's space. So one must conclude that, it is the Jove race that is putting all the new fancy, and more importantly expensive, things into Eve. This would result in that they, Jove, will have more isks than the rest of the Eve universe combined, and there fore by the shear economy strength would be able to buy every single npc corp. and claim control of at least the whole empire and therefore be able to take control of Eve without have to resulting to an all out war VS the 4 races. And on side note, Elvis did not do any drugs.
Atandros	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner hes kinda right Yeah because it's definitely not the case that the capital ship construction model with the components and whatnot promotes interaction between corps, a chance for smaller corps to find a niche (producing capital cargo bays is a very good one f.ex.), nor do all those produced capital ships get sold only to players, nor do they improve 0.0 infrastructure drastically, nor do they introduce a specialized empire space niche in the form of wholesale hauling companies...and so on and so forth. Use your brain.
Unrah	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:14:00 - [13] Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. How come? Mineral aquisitation, part production and ship production is all handled by human players. Personally i think the way the new Capital bpo`s were introduced is a lot better than the current r&d system. Expensive, much longer build time, more complex logistics, but still avialbe to every player/corp who can bring up anough isk, skills and effort.
Rafein	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:33:00 - [14] Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. Well, buying the BPO's don;t make the items magically appear. Players still have to mine/recycle for them. so It's still VERY player driven.
Robstr	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:39:00 - [15] Edited by: Robstr on 23/07/2005 14:39:31 and hopefully the rapid loss of isk will curb inflation a bit.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:41:00 - [16] Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. You sir, are a complete moron. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
fairimear	Posted - 2005.07.23 14:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. isk gained by NPCs must be taken by NPCs does that mean there never was a player driven market? any way my main grumble over the last patch is the sudden dumping of the pirate faction ships on the market. the empire versions suit the role of named steping stone to t2 far better. the sudden dumping of them from complex is very moral dammaging. 0.0 agent running was horrible to go through and what was gained from it was well earned. having something devalued by 3-4 bill over a week does not make me enthusiastic to more days of 12 hour eve-play. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:02:00 - [18] Originally by: fairimear Edited by: fairimear on 23/07/2005 14:49:14 Originally by: Nafri Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. isk gained by NPCs must be taken by NPCs does that mean there never was a player driven market? any way my main grumble over the last patch is the sudden dumping of the pirate faction ships on the market. the empire versions suit the role of named steping stone to t2 far better. the sudden dumping of them from complex is very moral dammaging. 0.0 agent running was horrible to go through and what was gained from it was well earned. having something devalued by 3-4 bill over a week does not make me enthusiastic to more days of 12 hour eve-play. IF this had been player driven it would have been along the lines of. 2-3 agent runners run missions to get the ships to sell on. players see this and say i want 1 but wont pay that. Either the price will drop or the ships will not sell. AS for isk sinks over dreads. thats fine as it was set as they entered the game. not months later when theres a value to the ships set by players. A player buys an item from a complex--no ISK disappears. A player buys a BPO from an NPC--ISK disappears. -- Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Ardor	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:07:00 - [19] Unfortunatly from my (maybe limited) experience small corporations don't see the chance to earn isk with the production of capital components. Only 'megacorporations' like Techell will take this chance to become even richer. Back to topic: I don't think there will be any consequences at all for the market because some isk from the richer players went to the NPC. A greater influence will come from the 'new' minerals in the roids of low sec Empire space and from the nerf of mission rewards. Smaller corporations hopefully will learn that mining in a small group in 0.1 - 0.4 Empire space can make more profit than solo mining scordite in 1.0. The freighters will help to transport the minerals to the hubs to sell for best prices.
fairimear	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:18:00 - [20] not sure but it think you are interpriting what im saying rong. Sure the bpo's for dreads and such are a massive isk sink. IS it worth it? No idea. My whine about the patch is in the very specific area of what it done to the few 0.0 agent runners who had their faction ships before the patch. The dev's set the npc price for the dread bpo's. And as of yet player driven market has not really settled on a player established trade price for them. But i like others had my faction ship. The dev had set NO base price for them just a ruff rate of them entering the game. This left US the owners to set a value if we wanted to sell them. This was very fair considering the amount of time that had to be spent in often HOTILE 0.0 running MISSIONS day in day out for weeks or months. there was obviously people running the missions to get the ships and sell at a high price. this is where the potential buyers impacted the market by chosing if they were willing to pay that price. If not and the ships did not sell they either stayed with the owner or the price lowered to reflect intrest. This way was true to the player driven market for these dealers yet kept the value and unique feel of the ships intact for people who kept them for use, display or as a sort of nest egg. The patch however increased these ships overnight. But unlike the dreads they had a value pre-patch set by players. meaning the claim to players driving the pre-established market is fraud. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Ander	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:37:00 - [21] 30 billion isk... ALl this isk makes me drool. Now I just hope some of those BPO owners come passing through low sec ferrying the BPO's without escort. Smirk http://www.eve-pirate.com
j0sephine	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:17:00 - [22] "whiner " 16 of 23 \o/
Blacklight	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:23:00 - [23] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner Hahahaha, priceless. Eve Blacklight Style
Kin Hanyerec	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: Nafri Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. isk gained by NPCs must be taken by NPCs Nafri speaks words of wisdom. nafri 4tw. and bpo aren't isk sink : you buy them only ONCE.
Drilla	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:33:00 - [25] If you have 30 billion to spend on anything and then you whine you do not derserve 30 isk. Pipe it down - there's alot of people who can barely afford ships in this game. Personally I'm not in economical struggles but many are and many quit over them. EVE System Security - Killboard (still early alpha)
implanted	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:37:00 - [26] Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner this is a totaly out of order response from someone in your possition and should not be allowed. you should have your title removed for "flaming" someone with a reasonable arguement. tch tch
DigitalCommunist	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:44:00 - [27] Originally by: implanted Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner this is a totaly out of order response from someone in your possition and should not be allowed. you should have your title removed for "flaming" someone with a reasonable arguement. tch tch WHINER! _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
implanted	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:46:00 - [28] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Originally by: implanted Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner this is a totaly out of order response from someone in your possition and should not be allowed. you should have your title removed for "flaming" someone with a reasonable arguement. tch tch WHINER! god another idiot
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2005.07.23 16:50:00 - [29] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 23/07/2005 16:50:09 I give this thread an 8 out of 23 for entertainment. Btw, even if one-off, it is and remains an isk sink, just not a strucural one but an incidental one.
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.07.23 17:01:00 - [30] Originally by: implanted Originally by: Oveur Originally by: fairimear personaly i think the entire claim to a player driven market was shafted in the latest patch. whiner this is a totaly out of order response from someone in your possition and should not be allowed. you should have your title removed for "flaming" someone with a reasonable arguement. tch tch REMOVE OVEURS TITLE!!!!

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