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Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:25:00 - [1] I will be brief... We have good friends in Xelas. Xelas has good friends in PA. Truth is "C" and the 20th left PA with sad feelings after the Wimbishi incident. They were allowed to "relax"in V7-MID for sometime. After that they asked PA for Tenal to be the home of the new alliance that "C" created, now known as Xelas. Actually Xelas for its larger and most important part is ex-PA corps who left PA as very very good friends to try something new, nearby. PA voted and decided by majority to transfer Tenal to the newly formed Xelas, on the basis of true friendship, good neighbouring, and a MUTUAL DEFENSE PACT. Truth is that for whatever survival-related reasons the temporary then Xelas leadership became suddenly unclear and uncertain on the MUTUAL DEFENSE PACT. Then there were rumours about BoB, more rumours about Evol and V7, rumours and more rumours... Then some respectful Xelas members stated that they "have to look after their own survival", because "PA is weak", so forget the Mutual Defense Pact... Then came the IRON turbulence. Then GODS became upset about Xelas NAPing everyone and trying to become the Eve Switzerland. Then "C" declared NBSI status... Then sadly, Draconian was accidentaly asked to leave Xelas space by a fellow called "J. Constantine". Drac was upset and even shot down hitangel... This morning Xelas lost S-Eviq to PA forces, the ones that gave it to her not so long ago... I am wondering...is it BoB's birthday or something? I know they are having a PARTY... Don't you? To ALL involved...STOP the nonsence. Both sides (and GODS ofc) have numerous serious and grown-up players that can just talk this out. "C", you obviously know the North has its peculiarities, and its "traditional enemies". Being a great leader and diplomat you know that NAP is a two headed sword. You know ofcourse from your huge experience that you cant have NAPs with both parts of a traditional "everlasting hate" duet. Remember -among others - the recent FoE thingie. I think you should not let the bitterness that you - to some extent rightfuly - felt the last few weeks of your presence in PA, walk you to a path that will not suit the name you built in the Eve community after so much hard work. After all, PA gave you the gift you asked for. You never said thank you. PA now wants it back. I think you have seen this coming from the early days, if I can recall our small "prophetic" chats in V7 correctly. You have seen it but has done nothing to stop it, on the contrary I have to say... I have also things to say to my folks in PA. Be sure I will do so (if havent done already). To ALL involved...STOP the nonsence. ...the weak always follow the strong...
IamBen	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:34:00 - [2] good post.
Qualitan	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:48:00 - [3] Invisible Touch, We both know what started this war. It has nothing to do with standings. It has nothing to do with that we were busy actually building an alliance that could actually help the Phoenix Alliance you really needed it. It certainly has nothing to do with all of the other warmongering which has been occurring between various alliances in the north. We tried for over 10 hours yesterday to resolve this in a diplomatic manner with the Phoenix Alliance leadership yesterday. They repeatedly ignored our issues and would not resolve the brewing conflict. We have remained the whole time in Tenal. It is the Phoenix Alliance which has made a significant aggressive action against Xelas by taking the station at S-EVIQ. We tried to the best of our ability to not to start a war. You have only to look in the ranks of your own alliance to find the people who wanted this war. Sincerely, Qualitan Xelas Executive Committee Member
Dafuzz	Posted - 2005.07.23 15:59:00 - [4] Originally by: Invisible Touch They were allowed to "relax"in V7-MID for sometime. <snip> After all, PA gave you the gift you asked for. You never said thank you. PA now wants it back. This is your flaw. You don't allow anyone to relax anywhere. You don't have the power to hold what you think you do. Your overinflated sense of self importance, Speaking of The Phoenix Alliance, will be your downfall. Simply put, you are writing checks your body can't cash. PA are the ones that have been allowed to relax. Thanks for keeping the light on for us, and our regions warm. See you around, watch your back. -- -If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets..
Cochise	Posted - 2005.07.23 17:07:00 - [5] I.T. your words are touching. And if that was all there was to this then it may give me pause. However, as I have many friends still inside the PA I also have a huge amount of Intel as well. I have chat logs and all that I need to give me a real clear picture of the behind the scenes PA stance. These started the day we left the PA too, not just about the Tenal issue. The reputation I established has been damaged not by my actions but the slander and lies told by the PA and their clones. As For BoB, I laid to rest all my anger toward BoB when the war ended and since that time I have been shown more respect and concern from them and the other former enemies that we fought than I have from the Alliance and Allies I served for close to 18 months by far. ( Note: Exception to G Alliance) See the thing you people cant seem to understand is that many of BoB and Jade ect were my friends before the war. My friendship to them is not a slap against the PA its just that when the war ended I sought to rekindle the old friendships as did they. Can anyone say forgive and forget? Hell if that wasnÆt the right thing to do we in America would all be driving Fords and ChevyÆs instead of the better imports. The stupid war isnÆt worth the loss of old, good friends. They had their cause and we had ours, They fought a good fight and so did we. THE GNW IS OVER!!!!! I am not going to have anyone tell me who I can and can not be friends with. Do you understand that? To sum it up PA destroyed my loyalty to them by their actions and words over the last weeks. You cant deny that man. Its all in black and white. Last, I didnÆt leave the PA because of Wimbishi I left because my Corp asked me to leave. I will let them speak as to the reasons for that. But the bottom line the day they asked I listened to them and there was nothing I could say to counter their reasons. The PA leadership in part screwed me and the rest let them get away with it. Now the Blood has been spilled the war has started and so as is my way the words will stop. Cochise out.
Danielk	Posted - 2005.07.23 17:12:00 - [6] Qualitan, You stated "... we were busy actually building an alliance that could actually help the Phoenix Alliance you really needed it." While other alliances and corps not in PA help protect PA's doorstep, we try to acknowlege and show thanks by reciprocating this help and gratitude to them. You must appreciate that at the same time PA (and other alliances and corps) are also protecting your doorstep, yet we do not see any reciprocation of thanks or similar help from you. So what happens is that we (and others) struggle everyday to replace lost ships through defending the borders, while you wish to sit in relative safety and enjoy richness. Obviously this is going to create a certain amount of animosity. But by claiming neutrality in your relative safety and times of leisure by setting sworn enemys of the North to freindly status... well perhaps it was not a politically correct thing to do and you have misjudged the symbolic nature of this gesture to your neighbours. Perhaps if you demonstrated what you have stated in my first paragraph, things could have been different and everyone would have been happy. Perhaps what you have said about the problem in our ranks, would not have reared its ugly head at all. I can assure you The Five will not refrain from shooting you on sight whatever color you have set them. Afterall, they believe everyone has to fight for your right to mine crok and npcing in 0.0. Perhaps Xelas should take the first step and reconsider the symbolic gesture which you have mscalculated and has undoubtedly upset your neighbours.
Merry Mary	Posted - 2005.07.23 17:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Dafuzz This is your flaw. You don't allow anyone to relax anywhere. You don't have the power to hold what you think you do. Your overinflated sense of self importance, Speaking of The Phoenix Alliance, will be your downfall. Simply put, you are writing checks your body can't cash. PA are the ones that have been allowed to relax. Thanks for keeping the light on for us, and our regions warm. See you around, watch your back. We would like to thanks PA leaders for this brilliant post that is helpping releasing the pressure on Fountaine. BoB are allready looking up north and to your attemps to dominate it. Thanks and good luck. I ♥ Pink Panties
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.07.23 17:39:00 - [8] Originally by: Merry Mary Originally by: Dafuzz This is your flaw. You don't allow anyone to relax anywhere. You don't have the power to hold what you think you do. Your overinflated sense of self importance, Speaking of The Phoenix Alliance, will be your downfall. Simply put, you are writing checks your body can't cash. PA are the ones that have been allowed to relax. Thanks for keeping the light on for us, and our regions warm. See you around, watch your back. We would like to thanks PA leaders for this brilliant post that is helpping releasing the pressure on Fountaine. BoB are allready looking up north and to your attemps to dominate it. Thanks and good luck. Dream on. dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2005.07.23 17:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Merry Mary Originally by: Dafuzz This is your flaw. You don't allow anyone to relax anywhere. You don't have the power to hold what you think you do. Your overinflated sense of self importance, Speaking of The Phoenix Alliance, will be your downfall. Simply put, you are writing checks your body can't cash. PA are the ones that have been allowed to relax. Thanks for keeping the light on for us, and our regions warm. See you around, watch your back. We would like to thanks PA leaders for this brilliant post that is helpping releasing the pressure on Fountaine. BoB are allready looking up north and to your attemps to dominate it. Thanks and good luck. Just like love, we've got alot of pressure to give, too.
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.07.23 18:06:00 - [10] Best. Thread. Ever. Please PA next time you decide to self destruct can you FRAPS it? That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die. -- Ancient "Dirt" Religious figure.

Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.07.23 19:32:00 - [11] Originally by: theRaptor Best. Thread. Ever. Please PA next time you decide to self destruct can you FRAPS it? LMAO - Gob
unforg1ven	Posted - 2005.07.23 22:28:00 - [12] Let the guns talk . "Lies save ur arse, but not for a long time"
Leafo	Posted - 2005.07.24 01:44:00 - [13] Anyone need a hand to help resolve things for good? click on sig for all MC videos ever made
Proximus Coldain	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:23:00 - [14] Just out of interest noticing the Xelas are present here what is Xelas view on there members pirating innocents in empire space?
Grimster	Posted - 2005.07.24 03:43:00 - [15] I just time-travelled 18 months into the past right... oh... different names/corps, similar story. GG fellas.
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.24 09:59:00 - [16] Originally by: Proximus Coldain Just out of interest noticing the Xelas are present here what is Xelas view on there members pirating innocents in empire space? Xelas are ebil piwates. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
The Clash	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Leafo Anyone need a hand to help resolve things for good? As we speak KIA laywers are investigating if such a commercial is a allowed in summit :P _________________ Re-activated ... Now lets see whats new , do we like it or im i ending back in the freezer ?
Kresh Vladir	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:25:00 - [18] Edited by: Kresh Vladir on 24/07/2005 11:25:08 Originally by: Invisible Touch Then GODS became upset about Xelas NAPing everyone and trying to become the Eve Switzerland. lol hmmm cus those gods dont nap every1 either
Masken	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:42:00 - [19] MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH happy happy joy joy .. //the mask
Mythos76	Posted - 2005.07.24 15:05:00 - [20] Cool Mythos corp

CmdrRat	Posted - 2005.07.24 18:43:00 - [21] There will never be peace in the north untill it is under one leader. Fear the spoon, for it stirs all...... _ ____ _______ _________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________
The Clash	Posted - 2005.07.24 19:46:00 - [22] Originally by: CmdrRat There will never be peace in the north untill it is under one leader. Fear the spoon, for it stirs all...... yeh yeh , after my vacation ill take the helmet np . _________________ Re-activated ... Now lets see whats new , do we like it or im i ending back in the freezer ?
Mortuus	Posted - 2005.07.25 00:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Cochise My friendship to them is not a slap against the PA its just that when the war ended I sought to rekindle the old friendships as did they. Can anyone say forgive and forget? This is the same Cochise that declared NSN KoS forever for taking a mercenary contract against us?
FowlPlayChiken	Posted - 2005.07.25 04:21:00 - [24] cant we all just...get along? wait then I would be out of the job. continue!
pershphanie	Posted - 2005.07.25 06:45:00 - [25] Edited by: pershphanie on 25/07/2005 06:47:06 Originally by: Invisible Touch To ALL involved...STOP the nonsence. Both sides (and GODS ofc) have numerous serious and grown-up players that can just talk this out Lies!!!! How dare you accuse us of being serious and grown ups. The time for diplomacy is over. Violence really is the best way to solve your problems. Xelas cant talk their way out of this one. Being napped with bob and the5 and giving them acces to your stations so they can stage attacks on your 'allies' is a binary state. Either you are or your not. I don't see room for discussion. rabble rabble -persh
Swaay	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Mortuus Originally by: Cochise My friendship to them is not a slap against the PA its just that when the war ended I sought to rekindle the old friendships as did they. Can anyone say forgive and forget? This is the same Cochise that declared NSN KoS forever for taking a mercenary contract against us? That would be the same NSN that left the PA during the GNW and then took a contract to attack PA during the FOE war? Um I think I would have been just a bit ****ed off too Of coarse I can see how your small brain would have trouble with this Mortuus.
Serdarxxx	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:55:00 - [27] Originally by: Swaay Edited by: Swaay on 25/07/2005 08:19:20 Originally by: Mortuus Originally by: Cochise My friendship to them is not a slap against the PA its just that when the war ended I sought to rekindle the old friendships as did they. Can anyone say forgive and forget? This is the same Cochise that declared NSN KoS forever for taking a mercenary contract against us? That would be the same NSN that left the PA during the GNW and then took a contract to attack PA during the FOE war? Um I think I would have been just a bit ****ed off too Of coarse I can see how you would have trouble with this Mortuus. NSN doing just a job. some one pay them to kill, they kill its so simple.
Captain Morria	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:59:00 - [28] Oh dear... Now..how do you spell BOB? Band of Brothers or Blood of Brothers?
Trooper B99	Posted - 2005.07.25 09:07:00 - [29] Edited by: Trooper B99 on 25/07/2005 09:08:07 Originally by: Serdarxxx NSN doing just a job. some one pay them to kill, they kill its so simple. Exactly. If the target corporation chooses to hold professional mercanaries at negative standings "forever" after a contract, it does hurt their ability to use such mercanaries when they want to keep their own hands clean. Of course mercanaries cannot compell their ex-targets to put them back to neutral stance (and thus the mercs can place that alliance quickly back to neutral) but when those mercs are on other contracts in 0.0 it can often turn out badly for that alliances members when they are happened across. For a professional group like the MC, a jobs a job. Once it's over and neutral settings are re-enacted, it's over. shrugs Personally I think denying themselves a tactical asset over "hurt feelings" is foolish, but thats me. Anyways! Enjoy your wars lads, I'm sure it's be fun and interesting for however long it lasts. Oh, and you know where to find us if you decide to come to your senses. winks Wirykomi Team Racer - COLOSSUS Championships Year 106
The Clash	Posted - 2005.07.25 09:29:00 - [30] ..and by the time they left there was nothin left to save , it and get over it k ? _________________ Re-activated ... Now lets see whats new , do we like it or im i ending back in the freezer ?

Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.07.25 09:43:00 - [31] Edited by: Invisible Touch on 25/07/2005 09:53:35 2 days later, Xelas pilots are in V7-MID trying to defend "their" last station... Sadness... ...but what's done is done. The only thing I've got to say, is that we all have friends in game we fight, because it's a game and simply we chose different sides, or simply a different playstyle. Well, yes we "hate" them in game, we drink Quafe (hmm...not exactly) afterwards. Changing sides in game "might" be a problem though... It "might" cause some teasing... As someone I respect lots said, the BoB were and are the arch-enemies of the North in the "modern" Eve era. Failure to understand that, one man trying to rise above all, might sound like a vision, might turn out to be a nightmare for all who followed him. In GAME that is. It's sad, but we have to move on. Lots of fun for the future to all. BTW I dunno if its made public news, but its well known...V7-MID was, is and will be Mythos' mountain resort . And Greeks are known for their hospitality... We are renovating atm, but be sure we will be serving souvlaki with tzatziki and ouzo pretty soon. Old friends, now "enemies" will be welcomed back ...the weak always follow the strong...
Odet	Posted - 2005.07.25 21:54:00 - [32] Edited by: Odet on 25/07/2005 21:55:01 Originally by: unforg1ven Let the guns talk . or in the PA way... let the warpcores talk.. i still have nightmares of the wcs PA interceptors =This podding has been brought to you by Odet, the only way to fry.=
unforg1ven	Posted - 2005.07.26 04:15:00 - [33] ROMANIANS DO NOT USE WCS , AT LEAST THE ONES I RL KNOW CAUSE WE SPANK EACHOTHER IF SOMEBODY USES THEM. "Lies save ur arse, but not for a long time"
Purask	Posted - 2005.07.27 00:56:00 - [34] tbh PA's point isnt hard to get. U might say they cant tell u with who u have or not have to be napped/allied but this isnt the point. PA isnt ordering who u have to nap or ally, in the end its your choice but the consequences should be totaly clear to you. Noone who isnt totaly stupid would accept that u have an alliance on ur border who indirectly supports ur greatest enemy. Being the switzerland of EvE simply wont work and creating a NAP with the enemies of your neighbours is even in RL often enough considered as an indirect war declaration. That this all has to happen is for sure no good thing (especially for the North making it BoB/5 even easier) but its just an understandable result of actions that were done.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:21:00 - [35] Pursak, Who are you you silly little alt!! -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Soros	Posted - 2005.07.28 13:03:00 - [36] Can someone please explain this thread? P.S yes its our birthday, please send us isk -= Soros =- BoB
Unknown Subject	Posted - 2005.07.28 18:40:00 - [37] From everything i have read in the threads about this war, trying to look past all the bs, PA are claiming back territory they generously gave to their old friends before their old friends went all blue with the biggest pirate alliance in eve? That seems like a pretty good reason for PA to be ticked off, can Xelas not see that? "C" if you want friends in BoB, eve mail them, convo them, have a good chat on teamspeak, we all have friends on more of a gaming level on other sides of the front line. But you were basicly going neutral to the enemies of your front line defence? Could you not see this being a bit of a no-no? I see a huge difference in being friends and going blue with the likes of BoB (dont get me wrong BoB, i respect how you have grown so large, but the whole YARR thing ) and i personally wouldnt disrespect the friends of your old alliance by giving these pirates an open door policy into your neighbours yard. Please correct me if any of this is wrong as i do not claim to know this as fact, just what i have gathered from all the posts here and on other threads. What exactly is Xelas's arguement over this? So far i havent heard any sort of denial of napping with BoB, you have already admitted you are friends with them which is fine but why go to this extreme? I think what PA could fear is a hidden agenda to take PA space for yourself and BoB. I saw that you dislike a lot of PA leaders, is this sour grapes? Your way of getting back at PA? I hope you all can sort this out soon. I wish the best of luck to BoB too, creaming FA ;) This is my 2 isk and is in no way meant to start flaming. If you have the urge to flame because of this post, please refrain as it just gets no-one anywhere. Lets try and keep facts on the forums or clearly state any speculation as speculation.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.07.29 05:19:00 - [38] Unknown, From what i understand you recently returned from the game, things have changed and PA has changed but then reverted back. Im not going attempt to make an arguement for or against PA/XL here but i would hope you would consider the motives and strongly question from what you have been led to believe from the past and what you are seeing on the surface. If anything that should be ringing alarms in your head, it should be how PA has handled the situation and the level of maturity that they and thier ilk have displayed. Fortunatly not all PA are as bad as what the people that post in thier name is. Unfortunatly those post do however represent the leadership. And that leadership is passing thier views and motives doing to the general membership and not allowing them to question them. Wiegh your options and research into both sides to find out for certain which side. That said, I would like to invite you to talk with myself or Jade Constatine for an objective outlook that will of course be contrary to PA views. But at the very least you will get the opinions and views from a fellow sideliner on the issue. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Morela	Posted - 2005.07.29 15:20:00 - [39] Originally by: CmdrRat There will never be peace in the north untill it is under one leader. Fear the spoon, for it stirs all...... You tried that before.. How'd that turn out for everyone? :) _________________________________________________________ "TO THETR DRUMNBS OF WAR WET GHO" - Buddrow of EXO.
unforg1ven	Posted - 2005.07.30 22:01:00 - [40] Omg what huge blobs in Tenal .. is Cochise screaming "RED ALERT" on alliance chan again ? " DRACK - FLEET COMMANDER "

Recscue	Posted - 2005.07.31 05:05:00 - [41] XS should have seen this coming, in fact they may have done this on purpose, or perhaps they underestimated PA's resolve when backstabbed. Xelas should have stuck to the agreement that was made.
Ly'sol	Posted - 2005.07.31 06:24:00 - [42] Xelas is an independant alliance. In no way is it bound in lock n' key to be loyal to PA's sentimentalities about who Xelas decides how to conduct its OWN foriegn policy. Keep in mind here that it was PA that attacked first. It was a PA member (although funny as it was) that shot the first fire. In no way can PA claim the higher ground on "honoring NAP's" and what not. I distinctly remember said alliance allying with enemies and -10 my corp whom we had an NAP with (the first one in the spring). Every Alliance has the right to relate to whom they see fit and what they feel that is best politically for them. PA feel backstabbed? PA feel betrayed? It sucks doesnt it? Well News Flash, PA has historically done the same thing several times. What goes around comes around. There were two roads to take. A.) It could have been resolved without venom. or B.) the course PA decided to take which is too historically the one they use. And that they let thier hot headed combatants decide Alliance policy for them. Xelas changed thier standings...that fine and dandy. they got the right to. They also are not obligated to tell thier Allies every single action they do. Lets just remember who violated the NAP first. PA did. Whos side lost ships to "friendly fire" Xelas. This is a repeat of the last war. It started last time from some idoit firing on an ally, the alliance pulling excuses out of thier ass to defend them. Its the exact same thing. The fact Xelas changed it's standings was an excuse. Not a reason. -------------------------- Vist the Jericho Fraction Forums
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.31 08:59:00 - [43] Originally by: Ly'sol Xelas is an independant alliance. In no way is it bound in lock n' key to be loyal to PA's sentimentalities about who Xelas decides how to conduct its OWN foriegn policy. Keep in mind here that it was PA that attacked first. It was a PA member (although funny as it was) that shot the first fire. In no way can PA claim the higher ground on "honoring NAP's" and what not. I distinctly remember said alliance allying with enemies and -10 my corp whom we had an NAP with (the first one in the spring). Every Alliance has the right to relate to whom they see fit and what they feel that is best politically for them. PA feel backstabbed? PA feel betrayed? It sucks doesnt it? Well News Flash, PA has historically done the same thing several times. What goes around comes around. There were two roads to take. A.) It could have been resolved without venom. or B.) the course PA decided to take which is too historically the one they use. And that they let thier hot headed combatants decide Alliance policy for them. Xelas changed thier standings...that fine and dandy. they got the right to. They also are not obligated to tell thier Allies every single action they do. Lets just remember who violated the NAP first. PA did. Whos side lost ships to "friendly fire" Xelas. This is a repeat of the last war. It started last time from some idoit firing on an ally, the alliance pulling excuses out of thier ass to defend them. Its the exact same thing. The fact Xelas changed it's standings was an excuse. Not a reason. The Painball thing was just a friendly fire thing that could have been sorted, this is what started the war... 2005.07.23 05:14:00 [05:11:10] Imoshen Solomani Ø hi [05:11:16] Imoshen Solomani Ø you do know that your kos This was in Venal, talking to a passing PA member. PA weren't gonna sit around and be attacked, we retaliated against the attackers. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
madmarc	Posted - 2005.07.31 11:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Edoo 2005.07.23 05:14:00 [05:11:10] Imoshen Solomani Ø hi [05:11:16] Imoshen Solomani Ø you do know that your kos This was in Venal, talking to a passing PA member. PA weren't gonna sit around and be attacked, we retaliated against the attackers. lol i thought u told every 1 it was because of a so called nap lol now its cos some1 mayhave said ur kos in local thou the rest of that convo isnt here to see wat pa was saying to him but hey..i think the war started because i hav a pair of fluffy slippers burrrrrp
Edoo	Posted - 2005.07.31 15:39:00 - [45] Originally by: madmarc Originally by: Edoo 2005.07.23 05:14:00 [05:11:10] Imoshen Solomani Ø hi [05:11:16] Imoshen Solomani Ø you do know that your kos This was in Venal, talking to a passing PA member. PA weren't gonna sit around and be attacked, we retaliated against the attackers. lol i thought u told every 1 it was because of a so called nap lol now its cos some1 mayhave said ur kos in local thou the rest of that convo isnt here to see wat pa was saying to him but hey..i think the war started because i hav a pair of fluffy slippers Madmarc... i know you and you're better than this. There wasn't a rest of the convo, he just randomly said it in local, then it was broadcasted in an alliance email entitle 'WTF???'. A war can have a series of events that lead to it, and that was the spark. Don't play stupid please, you can post bull**** in order for you to get Xelas out of that, but even the mighty Xelas can't blabber themselves out of that. Sorry if the post sounds a bit aggressive, but when people play dumb it annoys me. --------------------------------- Edoo - Phoenix Alliance Diplomat [TPDT] recruitment manager
Galavet	Posted - 2005.07.31 18:44:00 - [46] Originally by: Edoo when people play dumb it annoys me. Heh, This was one of the many reasons I gave PA for RKK starting the GNW (hearing PA Director on TS say "We have declared RKK KOS") but I remember the Entire PA leadership saying I was full of **** and just looking to start a war. Funny how now its the same reason the PA gives for war.
madmarc	Posted - 2005.08.01 06:42:00 - [47] ok so was it the furry slippers burrrrrp
unforg1ven	Posted - 2005.08.02 21:20:00 - [48] MADMARC! " ROMANIA "
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.08.03 11:45:00 - [49] I think the hostilities in Tenal are over. To all the good friends in XS, a GL to your future endeavours. Many thanx to Maza and the NBSI guys. Moderator, I think this thread has run its course. ...the weak always follow the strong...
acidcharm	Posted - 2005.08.03 11:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Invisible Touch I think the hostilities in Tenal are over. To all the good friends in XS, a GL to your future endeavours. Many thanx to Maza and the NBSI guys. Moderator, I think this thread has run its course. PA has no idea what the term "good friends" mean .. but you will find out .. good luck!

Draconian	Posted - 2005.08.03 14:08:00 - [51] in response to jf tenal xfer was part of a defense pact cochise refused to honour ego void but we for weeks tried to dicuss this with xelas r diplomats began refusing to chat with cochise b/c of his verbal abuse and lies painball was a regretable event but was not the cause info was released that showed xelas was in bed with bob in breach of northern aggreement and the defense pact with pa such info included evol office in v7-m-d btw i think acidcharm owes starfly a sry message b/c she claimed it would go to a xs member other info were screens of xs alliance standings and bob member comfirming said nap we aggreed to war but we got told strangly we were kos and shot before we could do anything seem xs decided war before us disclaimer was late US time so hell if i know exactly what happened no nation/state in history would let ur arch enemy have a base on its border in a 3rd party nation same type of event lead to pa v iron stuff smash using iron stations to assault PA same as letting terrorists work out of a nation and using that nations sov as a shield it doesnt work again jerichos pretty words r empty to bob fountain war started b/c an evol pilot engaged and died to a FA pilot...evol pilot having shot 1st...all this is admitted on e-o forums by shrike so pls i know how u work so ur war with FA is a war of aggression in the max anyway thought i would point this out
acidcharm	Posted - 2005.08.03 14:42:00 - [52] LOL .. Drac the chat logs show the first shot . .. . . You have twisted things so much to justify the actions of OCC, you begin to believe your own spin on things. . As far as BOB or any Corp we choose to associate in game with .. Well never mind Drac . . you just don't get the big picture!
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.08.03 14:51:00 - [53] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 03/08/2005 15:46:50 Here is a straightforward and honest response to you Draconian. The problem with your general position is that it requires/expects everyone to jump into bed with the ôwe hate BoB / BoB are the devilö ideology of recent months since the close of the Great Northern War. Now sure, everyone can understand how it hurt a bit to have your alliance jumped on as badly as the GNW jumped on you, but the reality of the situation is that you guys did pretty much ask for it. Its all very well just falling back on the ôBoB=Enemies foreverö stance and hoping people forget the reasons for the GNW and why Reikoku and friends came to oust CDI and Oberon from your alliance, but there are lots of people in the north who well understand that there was valid cause for war back then. Take Jericho FractionÆs role in this Draconian, we were VA, then NVA, then betrayed by the PA corps, then made peace again, then saw PA betray reikoku, then sided with NCA etc etc. There is history there and Reikoku and Evolution and Black Nova and those guys never backstabbed us even once. Hence your diplomats were always on a sticky wicket to insist we should change our standings to make ceasefire with the new version of the PA that followed the GNW. We were happy to talk terms and ceasefire and make friends with Cochise as the PA executor when the war was over, but we were never going to just jump into bed with the hardliners in the PA for whom the war was "never going to be over". It does seem pretty clear that you really had no intention of letting Xelas be fully independent in the first place since you were dictating their foreign policy standings. And you knew that Cochise was trying to put the GNW hostilities to bed even when he was running the PA so it canÆt have been a surprise to you. I'm wondering if you just gave Tenal to Xelas to prevent a civil war in the PA anyhow? This does all go back to what Cochise posted earlier in this thread and its about true leaders having the courage to admit things change and situations evolve. The GNW was done, the villains had been punished, Halseth was exiled, CDI was driven out etc etc. Blood had been shed and the story was told. Its only people who perpetually live in the past are doomed to repeat it and thatÆs the pattern that seems to be coming from the current PA. Now I'm guessing my post will anger some of you guys again but really why not try to understand what I said and debate in a constructive manner. Respect me and I'll respect you and regardless of the fighting in space there is no reason we can't talk intelligently between bouts of ultraviolence "Every act of creation is first an act of destruction."
Invisible Touch	Posted - 2005.08.03 18:34:00 - [54] I made a personal post, the one that started this thread when hostilities started in an futile attempt not to miss some friends from the North. One person that I am not gonna miss from XS is AcidJadz... LadyJadz save some face ingame. In forums u do ok I guess. Read my lips: "I don't L I E". How about you? I may sound naive, but I had to see some things to believe them. And I saw... And remember "Honor does not come cheap" Guess u have to buy lots. Ask your JF lawyer about it. If they ever get that bpo or find it as a moon mineral then you will all get some I guess. Now to the ever battleefficient Star Fraction...oops sorry that was another experiment gone bad. Sorry, I meant JF... the only time we ever met in the field was in V7 when the head of our mining department sent your "Anandros" packing back to a cloning facility. Pardon me guys, but you have some compulsive obsession with PA. There are other, more efficient ways to treat this. For now the case is closed. V7-MID is open for souvlaki business again. You may be able to convince almost everyone in the forums that tzatziki comes without onion, but I guess you never tried it. And a final thing... Thank you all for the "party with ouza". It was some fun. Batteries charged. Videos made. It's all greek to you I guess, but what matters is that it is Greek to us! The ancients are thinking of coming back. And moderator, this thread has no reason not to be archived. We all have business to attend. ...the weak always follow the strong...
Alter Mann	Posted - 2005.08.03 18:49:00 - [55] I notice a lot of yapping up north, while their enemies are not there. Kinda deja-vu from 2004. If you count random frig trips as bob invasion and think you can handle it, think again.
MalaMo	Posted - 2005.08.03 19:19:00 - [56] Originally by: madmarc ok so was it the furry slippers Are they pink ?? If they are pink WTB ------------- You see, in this world there are two types of people, my friend: those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig. -the Good
Trina Tron	Posted - 2005.08.15 06:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Invisible Touch I will be brief... We have good friends in Xelas. Xelas has good friends in PA. Yes PA and Xales have a true friend ship that will last One Thousand years!


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