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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.23 23:54:00 -
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Malediction current: 5% bonus to EM missile damage per level
Malediction new: 10% bonus to laser optimal range per level
Crusader current: 5% bonus to laser tracking per level
Crusader new: 10% bonus to laser optimal range per level
Thanks.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:01:00 -
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Nope, pulses are meant to be close range
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:05:00 -
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Malediction: Agree.
Crusader: Agree.
Wow. Selim suggesting something that won't actually nerf Amarr ships? 
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:06:00 -
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sounds fair enough, wouldnt they be better with laser dmg bonuses tho?
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Xavier Belt
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:06:00 -
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That would give them nearly Cruiser-range weaponry with beam-guns. Ick.
I don't think Interceptors are supposed to be long ranged.
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Robstr
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:10:00 -
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I would be much happier with damage bonii. Atleast on the sader, the other 3 attack ceptors get %50 damage bonii why not the sader?
The malediction however could use some other kind of missle bonus, like explosion velocity.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 24/07/2005 00:12:56
 Originally by: Gunstar Zero
sounds fair enough, wouldnt they be better with laser dmg bonuses tho?
Hey... if CCP decides to give a second damage bonus to these two ships, they can be my guest. 
Originally by: Xavier Belt
That would give them nearly Cruiser-range weaponry with beam-guns. Ick.
I don't think Interceptors are supposed to be long ranged.
Crusader traditionaly is long range, as of lately its been kind of crap though. The tracking bonus is fairly useless.
Malediction's EM damage bonus is stupid too, nobody uses gremlins on them because lasers do craploads of EM anyway. An optimal bonus here would be great too... because I said so.
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I would be much happier with damage bonii. Atleast on the sader, the other 3 attack ceptors get %50 damage bonii why not the sader?
The malediction however could use some other kind of missle bonus, like explosion velocity.
Well, it doesnt get 10% because that would mean a crusader would outdamage a taranis by a fair margin. At least I think thats the case. I think everyone is fine with the damage output of the amarr inties.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:18:00 -
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They wont get a 2nd damage bonus because the crusader already has 4 guns, you idiots.
Originally by: Sochin
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:18:00 -
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10% to falloff would be better :D
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Robstr
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:25:00 -
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I've changed my mind, I think the best thing to do woudl be to lower med-beam/pulse grid reqs down to 280 levels. Still think the Malediction needs a different missle bonus.
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nyxus on 24/07/2005 00:35:34
I agree with Selim 100%.
Beams are too big to fit. Pulses lack any power after the radio crystal nerf. This would help even the field among the interceptors. As it is now "Heavy Pulse laser II strikes you perfectly, tickling slightly with em damage."
Besides which, Amarr inties look sweet, I would like to see someone flying them again. All I see now are claws and ranises (rani? wth is plural of Taranis?)
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Voltron
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:45:00 -
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rani ftw nyxus.........rani ftw
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Hanns
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Posted - 2005.07.24 00:47:00 -
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I agree also, i havent even bothered flying my sader or diction since the laser nerf, also plate claws scare me
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.07.24 03:57:00 -
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I think this is a great idea Selim. However, I'm suprised that you are suggesting it. Back when we were first discussing the pulse-nerf, you claimed many times that the ability of small pulses to hit outside of web range was overpowered(Despite numerous arguments to the contrary from myself and Meridius). Now you're suggesting a change which would essentially return the Crusader and Malediction to their pre pulse-nerf selves...
Does this mean that somehow you've miraculously realised that we were right all along?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
Malediction current: 5% bonus to EM missile damage per level
Malediction new: 10% bonus to laser optimal range per level
Crusader current: 5% bonus to laser tracking per level
Crusader new: 10% bonus to laser optimal range per level
Thanks.
Who are you and what did you do with Selim
(i agree totally, atm, the Crusader is just a ****ty Taranis/Claw wanabee)
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Julien Derida
I think this is a great idea Selim. However, I'm suprised that you are suggesting it. Back when we were first discussing the pulse-nerf, you claimed many times that the ability of small pulses to hit outside of web range was overpowered(Despite numerous arguments to the contrary from myself and Meridius). Now you're suggesting a change which would essentially return the Crusader and Malediction to their pre pulse-nerf selves...
Does this mean that somehow you've miraculously realised that we were right all along?
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Meridius
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Posted - 2005.07.24 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
Well, it doesnt get 10% because that would mean a crusader would outdamage a taranis by a fair margin.
Perhaps but i think only by a bit. The Crusader has to use ion equivilents while a Taranis can romp around with 3 neutrons and 2 dmg mods.
Anyway, i think the range bonus is a better idea then more dmg.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:06:00 -
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It would basically be an unnerf of pulses for the inty class.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Selim on 24/07/2005 05:43:08
Originally by: Julien Derida
I think this is a great idea Selim. However, I'm suprised that you are suggesting it. Back when we were first discussing the pulse-nerf, you claimed many times that the ability of small pulses to hit outside of web range was overpowered(Despite numerous arguments to the contrary from myself and Meridius). Now you're suggesting a change which would essentially return the Crusader and Malediction to their pre pulse-nerf selves...
Does this mean that somehow you've miraculously realised that we were right all along?
Well, I've actually always wanted optimal bonuses on at least the crusader. When the bonuses were being handed out during the inty buff, I kept asking for an optimal bonus instead of the ghey tracking bonus.
And pulse overall WERE overpowered, and the small pulse needed to be nerfed too because they are smaller cousins of the big ones, but if I remember correctly I was always in favor of giving optimal range bonuses to the amarr inties so it really wouldnt affect them.
Don't worry btw, nothing's changed. 
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Berilac
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Posted - 2005.07.24 06:23:00 -
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that would be bloody brilliant. good idea.
*stamp of approval*
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.07.24 07:40:00 -
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I'm all for it. It'd make my beam Crusader much happier, and I've always hated the Maledictions useless missile bonus, anyways.
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Hiram
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Posted - 2005.07.24 08:03:00 -
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Perhpas we could get a reduction in CPU/ Grid requiremenst when fitting? then we might get more than 1 T2 weapon on the SOB!
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Tiki Rar
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Posted - 2005.07.24 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hiram
Perhpas we could get a reduction in CPU/ Grid requiremenst when fitting? then we might get more than 1 T2 weapon on the SOB!
Yes t2 weps are a pain to fit , but how does weaponsu upgrades 5 and advancced weps upgrades 4/5 affect there fitting?. I like the changes to bonus cause the crusader is a bit poo compared to other intys :(
Dual light pulse II's are bout all i can fit on it and they suck
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2005.07.24 09:34:00 -
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Problem is: 4guns & 25% dmg is worse than 3 guns and 50% bonus. It should do more dmg, but you run into fitting problems.
So maybe changing it to 3 guns and 50% dmg would not be bad(or give more grid/cpu to support 4 guns and dmg mods or plate). And it would not be overpowered in any way, because look at claw and 150mmII. Then go check crusader and gatling pulseII.
Malediction should get a second bonus, lol.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.07.24 11:08:00 -
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.07.24 14:38:00 -
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Hmm, not sure I like this. I'd rather swap the Malediction's bonus for a 5% ROF to launchers... Crusader is fine the way it is, I think giving it an optimal bonus would make it somewhat overpowered.
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Polydectes
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Posted - 2005.07.24 16:31:00 -
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Hell no, crusader needs that tracking bonus. That interceptor is meant to run a warp disruptor, orbit at 18km and out range its prey with dual light beams while warp disrupting it. If you put 4 cap power relays on the low slots, it runs the lasers, the mwd and the disruptor just fine.
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Elve Sorrow
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Posted - 2005.07.24 16:34:00 -
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And exactly what do you need tracking for at 18km?
Optimal would help it much more, both with beams and pulse.
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Joan Smith
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Posted - 2005.07.24 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Selim
Malediction current: 5% bonus to EM missile damage per level
Malediction new: 10% bonus to laser optimal range per level
Crusader current: 5% bonus to laser tracking per level
Crusader new: 10% bonus to laser optimal range per level
Thanks.
/me agrees
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God forbid
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Posted - 2005.07.24 20:52:00 -
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I fly Crusader I like it, like it is now but 10% bonus to laser optimal range would be Nice ****... :) dont care about what you would do to the malediction never use it.. :P
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