Disclaimer: this is simply one player's point of view, no more and no less.

After playing EVE Online for about a week now.. we, the serious minded participants who insist on quality from our gaming experience and the community it includes.. what is unquestionably the greatest MMO of all time.

After a weeks play, how can you be a "serious minded participant" and know how the community is AND know that the game is "the greatest mmo of all time" ?

Im really curious here..

Anyway, I dont see why this thread is needed, EVE wont go f2p.

Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you

Awwww, who needs a hug? YOU need a hug! Yes you do! Yes you do!

Don't worry buddy, you're exactly the kind of snooty jerk who keeps casual players away from Eve in the first place.

Besides, what is a casual player? Someone who doesn't spend so long playing the game that they get fused to their chair?

Edit: I broke my ten year record of not posting on the forums for this post, goddamn you

Considering you play the game since 2007, and have only ever been in the newbie corp, I call alt on you.
That being said you can only break 5 years of not posting on this character. And as it is indeed most likely an alt, i doubt anything was actually broken.

PS. I'm sorry for the troll post, I just couldn't resist calling this out.

Considering you play the game since 2007, and have only ever been in the newbie corp, I call alt on you.

1. This is NOT a NCQA thread.
2. This seriously looks like a: I want to play EVE without paying.

But seriously.

A. Eve can be free to play. Just make 600mil a month and buy PLEX.
B. If EVE becomes F2P it will see a sudden climb of whining teenager subscriptions and a decline in loads of subs who dont want that in their game (for instance me, I play EVE because its a mature playerbase that you meet).
C. Without subs payment CCP cant pay devs to make new content and so you wont have two free expansions a year.
D. And like all those other P2P mmos that went F2P did very well.
E. EVE dont need F2P, it subscription numbers have increased every year for the last decade. Why would they make it free if there are still people comming to the game.

EDIT:

My opinion on you based on all the previous posts you made did climb a lot.
But this thread made you start at 0 again.

My Dear J'Poll;

Here's the thing. During my initial feelaround with this game, I wasn't sure I'd like it or not, and as such was leery of paying a monthly fee for something that I wasn't going to be using very often. If you've read my earlier posts and threads, you know this. However, my opinion of this game changed dramatically the deeper I got, and now I'm not only willing to shell out the subscription fee, but I'm vehemently OPPOSED to EVE going f2p because it would break my heart to see the quality of this experience become ruined by incoming nonsense courtesy of non-committed gamers who would rather grief other players than contribute in a productive manner. Not too long ago the f2p model was the exception, now it seems like it's becoming the norm. I hope CCP doesn't follow this trend, and all indications are that they won't, and for that we can all be thankful. If this point didn't come across clearly in this thread, then I apologize and I hope this sets the record straight. I've appreciated your help and support on the other threads, and I'd hope that you see where I'm coming from here.

Thanks!

Disclaimer: this is simply one player's point of view, no more and no less.

After playing EVE Online for about a week now I've realized that if this game were to go free-to-play we, the serious minded participants who insist on quality from our gaming experience and the community it includes, would be forced to suffer the influx of casual rubberneckers who feel they have nothing to lose by indulging their worst habits all over this gamespace. Granted, many new players of requisite quality (read: taking this game seriously enough to not be a total d-bag in game and forum) would come to the table, but the risk is too great. Better to keep this experience subscriber based. If you're willing to pay a monthly fee for something that demands that you use your brain as much as you use the mouse and keyboard, you're going to make the experience matter and not squander it with alpha a-hole nonsense.

There's only so much space out there to play in, and it would be a real damn shame to have to this experience eroded by having to deal with the non-committed who have only signed up to cause havoc, impart grief and lower the reputation of what is unquestionably the greatest MMO of all time.

Thanks for listening!

A. Eve can be free to play. Just make 600mil a month and buy PLEX.

Well, to be fair, it's more like make

(Amount of isk a dedicated PvE player makes in a month of grinding)*(Number of players willing to buy a PLEX so they don't have to bother with grinding) / (Number of moochers that would rather spend isk on a PLEX than actually give three beers' worth of money a month to the people that make a game they enjoy enough to play)

So as the number of freeloaders that don't want to give money to someone even though they're using the product go up, and the number of people willing to chip in extra beer money for the devs goes down, that price can fluctuate quite a bit. For instance, a year or two back it was more like 200Misk.

...would be forced to suffer the influx of casual rubberneckers who feel they have nothing to lose by indulging their worst habits all over this gamespace. Granted, many new players of requisite quality (read: taking this game seriously enough to not be a total d-bag in game and forum) would come to the table, but the risk is too great. Better to keep this experience subscriber based. If you're willing to pay a monthly fee for something that demands that you use your brain as much as you use the mouse and keyboard, you're going to make the experience matter and not squander it with alpha a-hole nonsense.

There's only so much space out there to play in, and it would be a real damn shame to have to this experience eroded by having to deal with the non-committed who have only signed up to cause havoc, impart grief and lower the reputation of what is unquestionably the greatest MMO of all time.

I find this incredulous TBH. The D'baggery that goes on in this game is the worse I have seen anywhere! Children behave better than most eve players. From what I have witnessed during my month long playing is that many people that play this game are socially inept to a large degree. They associate anonymity with the right to behave like scrubs.


I would question the greatest MMO of all time. you clearly have not played that many if you conclude that. Also clearly the people that are paying are also paying so they can be aholes. You see them everywhere.

Not entirely. Dust has a lot of microtransactions that directly affect gameplay. I can imagine Dust already funds itself.

It's also a really fun game with a playerbase just as mature as Eve has.

Not entirely. Dust has a lot of microtransactions that directly affect gameplay. I can imagine Dust already funds itself.

It's also a really fun game with a playerbase just as mature as Eve has.

I would question the greatest MMO of all time. you clearly have not played that many if you conclude that. Also clearly the people that are paying are also paying so they can be aholes. You see them everywhere.

Just to be the devil's advocate for a moment, going F2P would mean an influx of idiotic noobs who think they're awesome at everything because of their Call of Duty K/D ratio.

And these my friends, would be fun to slaughter in their thousands (and their rage-tears would be DELICIOUS) :D

Who knows, we might even see Joe Phoenix levels of noobishness once more! Zederick would have a field day!

what I have witnessed during my month long playing is that many people that play this game are socially inept to a large degree.

From what I have witnessed during my month long playing is that many people that play this game are socially inept to a large degree.

True, but in reality if that happened CCP would most likely cut off your nuts for touching the RMT loving new class of player.

Goodbye slaughter, hello.. kitty?



You've played what we're saying is the deepest and most involving game ever for a month and feel you have grounds to disagree? I played a year before i even got close to finding my perfect playstyle, and damnit i like it that way

I strongly disagree. I have also never found a playerbase like EvE's in other mmo's. All the other games i'v played for any length of time left me feeling a little old dispite my age. EvE has at least for me provided a trully memorable and unique experience with some of the finest folk it's been my pleasure to encounter.

Also there are d-bags, but really it's down to you to sift through the chaff for the really good parts just like real life. I also consider EvE to be the most expansive and deep mmos i'v ever played.

*snip*

HiSec can be really fun for a short while, but it's easy. You don't have to be very smart (no offence intended) to get by in hisec. There are however parts of this game that REQUIRE an above average intelligence to play effectively. It stands to reason you will encounter a more interesting class of people there, even if all areas have their idiots.

Greener than a Christmas tree fresh off the farm, and you sound like as much an insufferable shithead as the Old Guard in the days of yore. Well, let me tell you a story kid: a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, a bunch of people who'd been playing this game for a long-ass while and thought they were pretty hot **** up in null sec got pissy about some upstarts in Rifters playing around in their sandbox. On principle, they decided they wanted to wipe these doe-eyed newcomers out of existence and once and for all establish their sovereignty over 0.0. Do you know what happened to this Old Guard? They got their teeth kicked in by days-old players 90% of whom could only fly frigates, said players then going on to topple some of the most well-established and powerful corporations and alliances in EVE. As for those newbies, the kindred and progenitors of those unwashed knuckle-dragging scum you seem to hold in so much contempt, they went on to become the single corporation, then alliance, to have the greatest the course of this game's history.

I am, of course, referring to Goonswarm. From a bunch of new bees recruited on Something Awful in Goonfleet, then Goonswarm and the Red Swarm Federation, then Goonwaffe and SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSOLODRAK, then Goonswarm again and the Clusterfuck Coalition-their entire history, nay, legend, runs contrary to such elitist snobbery.

Is EVE likely to go FTP soon? Not likely, especially with the moratorium on AURUM and 70$ monocles. But if it were, I'd say bring it on. This game lives and thrives on fresh blood.

edit: Words of wisdom.

wait....Dust and as mature as EVE.

Are we talking about the same Dust514?

Ever since it went Open beta (so not only EVE players), have you heard comms and seen local...

Sadly i have seen how Dust players talk in local. Im sure that a lot of them are EVE players who are messing around, but some of it is just stupid and embaressing to watch/read and makes me really wish there was some way to block Dust players as a whole from local.

Are there immature people in EVE? Ofc there is! But in general you will find that if you are polite to the player(s) in question they will be polite back. Trying to be a smart ass and/or a know it all are most likely two of the best ways to make sure an EVE player will dislike you/loose respect for you in general. Avoid this and in most cases you will find that its a very nice community to be a part of.

Cane has never said that before to my knowledge :D

Tbh i'm surprised his face didnt crack open just thinking something so soft.

I find this incredulous TBH. The D'baggery that goes on in this game is the worse I have seen anywhere! Children behave better than most eve players. From what I have witnessed during my month long playing is that many people that play this game are socially inept to a large degree. They associate anonymity with the right to behave like scrubs.