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Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:22:00 - [1] Moved from EVE General Discussion to Crime & Punishment forum - Jacques Before you flame read the whole post and actually READ it, not just skim. I have been working for a while to make money and looking at the forums I am obviously doing something wrong because Im making a few mil a week and not much more. What I make I lose quite frequently (granted I do a lot of quite dangerous things ... merry christmass to the bastard pirate that got me last night). At any rate, I have tried mining in 0.0 and between ship and cargo losses and the "magical" chortle appearance of enemies a scant 1 hour after I start cutting and the random deaths due to unstable server structure, I am breaking even these days. Yet I see Mr pirate that blew up my hauler last night. The system I was in crashed just after I jumped and when I could get back online there was a HAC and inty sitting on the gate where i was bounced. He prolly mdade 20 million in that one kill. The 20 million that took me 2 1/2 weeks to make he got in a couple minutes. Now we can add the 3 hours he might have waited for a peach and MAN that is a serious ISK per hour rate. So should I turn pirate and start blowing up innocent people and ransoming their pods ? (I first have to figure out how they lock pods so fast to be sure, BS locked it before I could hit autopilot). At any rate, it seems like that is the way to go to get to the 30, 40 billion people are boasting of. What do you think? Piracy the best money ? --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Nafri	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:27:00 - [2] piracy doesnt pay just try to be a bit more... well just dont die? Your bla bla hit bla bla for bla bla damage. Wanna have some bubu now?
Zarks	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:29:00 - [3] Then he loses 200M when people get tired of these lame ass griefer pirates and go in and kill them all + pod. If you are set to travel through empire nowadays and got some spare time set autopilot to safest route and go afk or something in the meanwhile. Don¦t give them these easy ganks anymore Make them work for a living like everyone else.
Bracius	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:33:00 - [4] Piracy definitely is not the most profitable buisness, but: Type: 20th Tier Overseer's Personal Effects (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: 22nd Tier Overseer's Personal Effects (Cargo) Quantity: 2 Type: Gist X-Type Heat Dissipation Field (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: 23rd Tier Overseer's Personal Effects (Cargo) Quantity: 3 Type: Gith X-Type Ballistic Deflection Field (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: 23rd Tier Overseer's Personal Effects (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: 22nd Tier Overseer's Personal Effects (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Type: Gist X-Type Explosion Dampening Field (Cargo) Quantity: 1 Or this: clicky
Ifni	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:33:00 - [5] Killmails I was the one who blew you up, and I have no idea what you are talking about regarding a stuck system. Reblier and 6-CZ49 were not stuck. You jumped into 6-CZ49 where i caught your indy, without any stabs. There was no ctd'ing, no stuck systems, just simple bad luck on your part. You even sent your alt ahead to check it. As for the loot, I left most of it behind. The basic and standard tech 1 mods were useless to me, and would require me getting a hauler and scooping the giant secure tin. They may still be there by that same gate right now. I took what I could which included a thorax 1 run bpc, 3 brutix 1 run bpcs, a gallente shuttle bpo, a catalyst bpo and about 4 units of zydrine. I didn't make that much from your hauler. Most of my isk comes from ransoming peoples pods, which I tried with you. However you told me to "f**k off" Piracy is not usually a porfitable business, but there are times when we get a windfall. -
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:34:00 - [6] Originally by: Zarks Then he loses 200M when people get tired of these lame ass griefer pirates and go in and kill them all + pod. If you are set to travel through empire nowadays and got some spare time set autopilot to safest route and go afk or something in the meanwhile. Don¦t give them these easy ganks anymore Make them work for a living like everyone else. Bah ... people are ****ing sheep. They do that once in a blue moon. i have yet to see any determined efforts to clean out syndicate and so on. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.* Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:36:00 - [7] Originally by: Ifni Killmails I was the one who blew you up, and I have no idea what you are talking about regarding a stuck system. Reblier and 6-CZ49 were not stuck. You jumped into 6-CZ49 where i caught your indy, without any stabs. There was no ctd'ing, no stuck systems, just simple bad luck on your part. You even sent your alt ahead to check it. That was round 2 man. I had a bad night. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Ifni I didn't make that much from your hauler. Most of my isk comes from ransoming peoples pods, which I tried with you. However you told me to "f*k off" LOL 30m you asked for. My clone is only 2 mil. What would you say? Id either have to fly 22 jumps in a bloody pod or spend 2 mil? If you are going to ransom people you might try being reasonable. 5 mil someone might. But after i lost 20 mil in the hauler, I wouldnt have paid anyway. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.* Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:41:00 - [9] Oh BTW isd ... WTF does this thread have to do with crime and punishment? --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:45:00 - [10] Originally by: Zarks Edited by: Zarks on 24/07/2005 10:45:09 BLow me. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Zarks	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Zarks on 24/07/2005 10:45:09
Zarks	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:47:00 - [12] sorry what?
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Zarks sorry what? You wanna kill me, find me yourself. Im not sending you an invitation. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Ifni	Posted - 2005.07.24 10:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Derisor Originally by: Ifni I didn't make that much from your hauler. Most of my isk comes from ransoming peoples pods, which I tried with you. However you told me to "f**k off" LOL 30m you asked for. My clone is only 2 mil. What would you say? Id either have to fly 22 jumps in a bloody pod or spend 2 mil? If you are going to ransom people you might try being reasonable. 5 mil someone might. But after i lost 20 mil in the hauler, I wouldnt have paid anyway. The reason I asked for 30millin is because thats the price of the cheapest +3 implant. Alot of people have implants these days, and as such the cost of replacing them can run into hundreds of millions if not billions. A friend of mine helped seperate a pilot from a complete set of pirate implants the other day worth over a billion isk, because they wouldn't pay a 300mil ransom. That is why I asked you for only 30 million. If you had been nice about it instead of being exceptionally rude to me, we might have been able to talk it over and reach a deal. But instead your choice of words enraged me so much I removed you from my local area. -
Xenios Alfar	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Zarks Then he loses 200M when people get tired of these lame ass griefer pirates and go in and kill them all + pod. If you are set to travel through empire nowadays and got some spare time set autopilot to safest route and go afk or something in the meanwhile. Don¦t give them these easy ganks anymore Make them work for a living like everyone else. I Dont Think "Lame ass griefer pirates" is entirely accurate. A) Pirates are not griefers.. it is a certifiable profession and if it was griefing it would not be allowed in EVE by CCP B) I suspect you are a victim of piracy and assume they purposely came after you over everyone else. well yes they did coem after you but even pirates get shot down by other pirates but they didnt hunt around systems looking especially for your characters. Pirates are oppurtunists - they see something worth making money out of and hey take it. C) Once again i re-iterate! pirates are NOT griefers... greifers are a totally different thing.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:04:00 - [16] Edited by: Derisor on 24/07/2005 11:05:40 Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Derisor Originally by: Ifni I didn't make that much from your hauler. Most of my isk comes from ransoming peoples pods, which I tried with you. However you told me to "f*k off" LOL 30m you asked for. My clone is only 2 mil. What would you say? Id either have to fly 22 jumps in a bloody pod or spend 2 mil? If you are going to ransom people you might try being reasonable. 5 mil someone might. But after i lost 20 mil in the hauler, I wouldnt have paid anyway. The reason I asked for 30millin is because thats the price of the cheapest +3 implant. Alot of people have implants these days, and as such the cost of replacing them can run into hundreds of millions if not billions. A friend of mine helped seperate a pilot from a complete set of pirate implants the other day worth over a billion isk, because they wouldn't pay a 300mil ransom. That is why I asked you for only 30 million. If you had been nice about it instead of being exceptionally rude to me, we might have been able to talk it over and reach a deal. But instead your choice of words enraged me so much I removed you from my local area. Like I said you already blew up 20m in stuff (or took it) deal wasnt possible. And I fly in 0.0 and lowsec all the time, I gave up imps long ago. Oh and lets not talk about rudeness. Blowing up people randomly is a lot more rude. If you had siezed the haulerscrambled and then ransomed I might have paid. If you blow up people's ships unprevoked, you will get a rude reaction. Live with it. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one.* Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Malken	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Derisor Oh BTW isd ... WTF does this thread have to do with crime and punishment? it could be because it discusses piracy and ransoming. but i assume that can be hard to understand for some people. on the topic... it can be worthwhile if you put some effort in to it.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:10:00 - [18] If it takes you 2.5 weeks to make 20M isk you need to do one of two things 1) Stop sucking at Eve 2) Stop sucking at Eve Piracy DOES pay but I guess it's usually a case of drought, drought, drought, drought, drought, drought, drought, omg-I-killed-a-hauler-with-120M-of-zydrine-in-it, drought, drought, drought, drought. It involves an awful lot of patience, tbh. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Kehmor	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:12:00 - [19] Edited by: Kehmor on 24/07/2005 11:12:28 Edited by: Kehmor on 24/07/2005 11:12:18 Originally by: Joshua Calvert 1) Stop sucking at Eve 2) Stop sucking at Eve what he said
Nilkarus	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:12:00 - [20] Originally by: Derisor Edited by: Derisor on 24/07/2005 11:05:40 Like I said you already blew up 20m in stuff (or took it) deal wasnt possible. And I fly in 0.0 and lowsec all the time, I gave up imps long ago. Oh and lets not talk about rudeness. Blowing up people randomly is a lot more rude. If you had siezed the haulerscrambled and then ransomed I might have paid. If you blow up people's ships unprevoked, you will get a rude reaction. Live with it. Well, some people DO have implants. At least we attempt to ransom the pods when there's the opportunity and the situation permits. As for blowing people up being 'rude', that's a point of view I guess. You take it personally it seems, where as we are just trying to make some isk while having fun. And, more often than not these days, ships have a ton of stabs fitted, so making sure the ship goes down as fast as possible is the only way to ensure gain from the kill. Ransoming ships has become a thing of the past due to stabs, and that's something we're all going to have to live with. No reason to attempt a ransom of something that we're not 100% sure is going to stay put. And, I think your sig says it nicely. "The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one." Movie Archive - Kill List
Bishy Cool	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Derisor So should I turn pirate and start blowing up innocent people and ransoming their pods ? (I first have to figure out how they lock pods so fast to be sure, BS locked it before I could hit autopilot). At any rate, it seems like that is the way to go to get to the 30, 40 billion people are boasting of. What do you think? Piracy the best money ? I have found that mining and building ships is the easiest way to make money. It don't take many battleships at 120 million to make serious ISK. But it is also very boring. Personally I have two accounts, one that makes loads of ISK. And one that spends it like water, but has a great time doing so. (Mainly hunting pirates)
Jaraa	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Jaraa on 24/07/2005 11:19:32 Normaly im a nice guy but this is just too stupid. How in hell do you "make" money? doing lvl 1's? you know theres a risk of going anywhere outside safe space. you brought this on yourself. stop whining. thanks
Ronzap	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Joshua Calvert If it takes you 2.5 weeks to make 20M isk you need to do one of two things 1) Stop sucking at Eve 2) Stop sucking at Eve Very true, I mine a Jetcan in 40 minutes in a BS, I'm sure that with a good Mining Barge with the good Mining Lasers I could probably make 20mil by mining Scordite in 0.9-1.0 for three hours. Instead, you're in Syndicate hauling less than 1k of Zyd and less than 1k of Mega. What you should have done is sold or ditched your Trit, Pyer, Mex and possible Iso in space and not used a hauler at all. Transporting those minerals was a waste of time and cost you your life.
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:26:00 - [24] Originally by: Nilkarus Originally by: Derisor Edited by: Derisor on 24/07/2005 11:05:40 Like I said you already blew up 20m in stuff (or took it) deal wasnt possible. And I fly in 0.0 and lowsec all the time, I gave up imps long ago. Oh and lets not talk about rudeness. Blowing up people randomly is a lot more rude. If you had siezed the haulerscrambled and then ransomed I might have paid. If you blow up people's ships unprevoked, you will get a rude reaction. Live with it. Well, some people DO have implants. At least we attempt to ransom the pods when there's the opportunity and the situation permits. As for blowing people up being 'rude', that's a point of view I guess. You take it personally it seems, where as we are just trying to make some isk while having fun. And, more often than not these days, ships have a ton of stabs fitted, so making sure the ship goes down as fast as possible is the only way to ensure gain from the kill. Ransoming ships has become a thing of the past due to stabs, and that's something we're all going to have to live with. No reason to attempt a ransom of something that we're not 100% sure is going to stay put. And, I think your sig says it nicely. "The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one." You have "fun" at other people's expense. You take things people minedhours for merely because you can so lets stop trying to act like you are a misunderstood teddy bear will ya. Its idiotic. You chose to be a pirate, its time you live with the fact that people think you are an ahole. My sig is perfect. If never advocated removing piracy but dont be such a f* carebear with it. If you are a pirate, be a pirate but dont expect your victims to be nice to you. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Derisor	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:28:00 - [25] Originally by: Jaraa Edited by: Jaraa on 24/07/2005 11:19:32 Normaly im a nice guy but this is just too stupid. How in hell do you "make" money? doing lvl 1's? you know theres a risk of going anywhere outside safe space. you brought this on yourself. stop whining. thanks ?? Get a grip carebear. No one is whining about losing money. I simply asked if piracy was the most profitable. Get a grip and some reading skills. --------- The words "Exciting" and "Safe" are mutually exclusive; pick one. Wanna populate 0.0 CCP? Get Rid of showing pilots in space and docked on map and neuter local!
Hans Roaming	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:29:00 - [26] I think it can do but is luck of the draw of what comes through the gate, hunting pirates can make money too as they tend to have very good fits on their ships, it's also very risky as they are some of the best PVPers in the game. Try moving to a different area than Syndicate, Providence would probably suit you more as there is CVA and Huzzah patrolling the corridoor, just watch out if coming from mista to kheram, check first if it's clear. WTS: Male, 37, single, can fly starships, build rockets and dance Salsa. WTB: Female, plays eve, lives near London UK
Zarks	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Xenios Alfar Edited by: Xenios Alfar on 24/07/2005 11:06:58 Edited by: Xenios Alfar on 24/07/2005 11:06:03 Originally by: Zarks Then he loses 200M when people get tired of these lame ass griefer pirates and go in and kill them all + pod. If you are set to travel through empire nowadays and got some spare time set autopilot to safest route and go afk or something in the meanwhile. Don¦t give them these easy ganks anymore Make them work for a living like everyone else. I Dont Think "Lame ass griefer pirates" is entirely accurate. A) Pirates are not griefers.. it is a certifiable profession and if it was griefing it would not be allowed in EVE by CCP B) I suspect you are a victim of piracy and assume they purposely came after you over everyone else. well yes they did coem after you but even pirates get shot down by other pirates but they didnt hunt around systems looking especially for your characters. Pirates are oppurtunists - they see something worth making money out of and they take it. C) Once again i re-iterate! pirates are NOT griefers... greifers are a totally different thing. Gate campers in empire are in my hopinion griefers, most run the second they see us, get totally disorganized and run for their pathetic little lives. Don¦t get me wrong now, it¦s good for the game that these players exist but they aren¦t pirates. If I would want to call myself a pirate it sure as hell wouldn¦t involve camping a gate in empire thats for sure. But to skip the "griefer" word let¦s just call them gate-camping gankers then.
Saerid	Posted - 2005.07.24 11:56:00 - [28] If I were allergic to pirates, Syndicate wouldn't be the first place I'd move into. As for the situation in general, risk management is the name of the game. Scout,couple stabs, preferably a cloak, etc. Seems like there's enough tools to avoid camps nowadays to have pushed pirate incomes down a fair bit, if you're not using the full toolkit that's your problem. As pirates go, never got any smack from the usual Syndicate residents. They take care of their business, I take care of mine (and never shall the two meet, hopefully ;p). In my experience the better known pirates(DNA,TDG,Tundragon..) in there are decently well behaved folk if you don't open the discussion on the price of your pod/ship by calling them *******s.
Ikvar	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:43:00 - [29] Y HALLO THAR DERISOR! Read it? Hell no, I'm not reading any more of your stuff Well... Ok I did, all I have to say is, if it takes you that long to make that little ISK you're playing very badly, I'm sure you could make more ISK than that AFK mining in a hauler in a 1.0 __________________
Deja Thoris	Posted - 2005.07.24 12:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Derisor Originally by: Zarks sorry what? You wanna kill me, find me yourself. Im not sending you an invitation. Zarks is a member of one of a small number of corps that will go out of their way to break up a gatecamp. I suggest you treat him with at least a modicum of respect.

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