PVP. You two should try it sometime, and get back to us about pod death.

Just like soccer is unfriendly to casuals who play maybe once a month, only those who play everyday have a chance to play in UEFA finals. Happy with the analogy?

And yes, you do come to the sandbox and act like a spoiled child. The sandbox offers you two choices- use gear that you can actually afford, or make more isk.

That said, I could afford to pvp in full +5s. The training time gain they provide is however not worth it. In fact net gain from using them is 0 SP in the first year. You're obsessing over something very minor, use a cheap clone if you are spacepoor and enjoy the game without stress from clone loss. That is what all others do.

I'm assuming I'm one of the "two". And I'm not quite sure what your point is other than just get out there and do it.

Exactly. Hop into a clean clone, leave your expensive implants behind, and get your fear of death and training time loss over with. Soonest begun, soonest done. I promise it doesn't hurt, and you really won't miss the few hundred SP difference that a day of PVP in a clean clone will give you. If you're really interested in PVP, this is the only way it's ever going to happen for you, because I seriously doubt that attribute implants are ever going away, and we both know that any sort of jump clone revamp is extremely low on the list of priorities.

Your other option is to use an alt for PVP, but that means an additional account, buying a character, or pausing training on your main to train an alt on your current account.

Remove jump clones from the game.

I once propsed idea to remove attribute implants completly. That would make hundreds of people just start to pvp or pve in low/null whenever they want. They would be ok with possibility of losing the ship , paying for clone etc. But they are not ok with losing training time. I can understand this.

Keep only implants like Slaves, Crystals etc ... You want to buff yourself in pvp , pve with implants ? Still possible. But placing mandatory(let's be honest) implants in your head is kinda worst thing that happend to pvp. People are ok with losing clone, pvp frigate along with fit worth maybe 10kk but are quiet not ok with losing 500kk in implants along with pitiful 10kk frigate.

Noone can put reasonable argument behind damn attribute implants. Just rise all attributes for all toons across the board +5. Gj now why train cybernetics ? Plenty of reasons : slaves, crystals , snakes , genoltuion, skill hardwire.

Give this game best change ever - remove attributes implant. You do this and i will pvp EVERY SINGLE DAY. I will provide you many KM's every single day. But cba to lose training time becuase i have to sit in damn jump clone. Wow damn 24h jump clone. It's not even about time i don't want jump clones at all. Remove them along with attribute implants.

Whoever thinks it's bad idea must really be out of this world. You don't want those carebears jump into low sec in GREAT NUMBERS ? Because now all they risk is thier ship and clone ? You don't want number of pvping people doubled,tripled or even more ? Really you don't want ? If not keep those implants and keep those people in high sec because of that. I would do pve content in low sec and pvp all the time if you would remove those bloody implants. Now i do travel to low sec but not very often and try not to pvp - usually on pve bussiness - mostly short ones.

I would rather the reduction get reduced to 20 hours for jumping to a JC in a different station, and have jumping between clones in the same station have 0 cooldown.

The difference here versus your proposal (which I think has merit, don't get me wrong), is that you don't have people jumping Hi-Sec down to Null, doing a roam with their Alliance/Defending POS/whatever and then jumping back out once that is done. That should be discouraged.

If you are willing to physically fly to Null and jump into a PVP JC at the station you dock at though? I think that solves the ping pong Hi/Low <-> Null stuff.

Just raw number of posts and topics about attribute implants would tell you there is something wrong. But i'm not gonna discuss with trolls. Keep those implants in game and reduced pvp players. Oh well ;). In before of more "everything is ok" ... so sad it's not.

what makes eve PvP so exciting is the sense of loss, and the loss of ur expensive implants is part of that.

just like here its a load of risk averse players wanting to have all the benefits with no compromise.

That said, I could afford to pvp in full +5s. The training time gain they provide is however not worth it. In fact net gain from using them is 0 SP in the first year.

By the looks of your character name I'm sure you "Banzai" on every group of ships you find out even knowing you're gonna die without killing one of them, because you're not a risk averse guy right?

And also because you're not a risk averse guy you don't use safe spots to gtfo is things turn bad for you.

You always pvp with HG Slave or Chrystal and named implants because you're not a risk averse guy, right?

And because you're not a risk averse guy I'm sure you always faction/officer fit your pvp ships, amirite again?

So you, the not risk averse uber player, can for once give us some lessons of humility indeed.

Edit: Ho I just forgot you don't use OGB neither because you're so awesome not risk averse guy, right again?

While the difference gain in between +4's and +5's is very small, I wouldn't say using +4's vs 0 implants brings no gain and it's unworthy.

I once propsed idea to remove attribute implants completly. That would make hundreds of people just start to pvp or pve in low/null whenever they want. They would be ok with possibility of losing the ship , paying for clone etc. But they are not ok with losing training time. I can understand this.

Keep only implants like Slaves, Crystals etc ... You want to buff yourself in pvp , pve with implants ? Still possible. But placing mandatory(let's be honest) implants in your head is kinda worst thing that happend to pvp. People are ok with losing clone, pvp frigate along with fit worth maybe 10kk but are quiet not ok with losing 500kk in implants along with pitiful 10kk frigate.

Noone can put reasonable argument behind damn attribute implants. Just rise all attributes for all toons across the board +5. Gj now why train cybernetics ? Plenty of reasons : slaves, crystals , snakes , genoltuion, skill hardwire.

Give this game best change ever - remove attributes implant. You do this and i will pvp EVERY SINGLE DAY. I will provide you many KM's every single day. But cba to lose training time becuase i have to sit in damn jump clone. Wow damn 24h jump clone. It's not even about time i don't want jump clones at all. Remove them along with attribute implants.

Whoever thinks it's bad idea must really be out of this world. You don't want those carebears jump into low sec in GREAT NUMBERS ? Because now all they risk is thier ship and clone ? You don't want number of pvping people doubled,tripled or even more ? Really you don't want ? If not keep those implants and keep those people in high sec because of that. I would do pve content in low sec and pvp all the time if you would remove those bloody implants. Now i do travel to low sec but not very often and try not to pvp - usually on pve bussiness - mostly short ones.

Surely, but what's the problem? Two +4s are practically free.

what is this post even trying to say?