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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: HeadHunta II on 25/07/2005 00:19:18
Well, i dont care who "won" this lagfest. It was just impossible to fight and i think many ships on each side got destroyed while ppl crashed or asked on Teamspeak "Hey, do you see anything?!" or "Hmmm, my cap isnt empty but my boosters running 15min now!" 
I dunno how i survived this, but it has def. nothing to do with skills, lol.
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anister
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: anister on 25/07/2005 00:21:52
There was no engagement as such, the lag was so bad on jump in that i think everyone in the system had issues with it.
I thought i killed something but upon getting back into the game it turned out i had been killed.
There was no target calling as nobody capable of doing so had loaded, most of the [5] guys took in excess of 10 minutes to load into M-M, those that loaded early were also killed, although most don't know what by or how, just *boom* pod.
It would have probably been one of the fights of the year if it had gone smooth, but alas it didn't.
We had the nads to jump in, foundation/u'k had the nads to stay, but that was about it.
*edit, this post was in response to Angelus X's post.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:53:00 -
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Their is an easy solution, stop blobbing 
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:06:00 -
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Its not blobbing, its just coincidental similarity of position.
It was ridiculous, but both sides lost about equal BSs. (6 or 7) and .5. held the field because UK mostly chose to log off because of the lag.
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:32:00 -
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.5. is mostly uk
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anister
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:44:00 -
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I think we held the position simply due to us having players that managed to remain in the game.
As you know when logging on you warp back to last position, we had players there and word probably spread to foundation and u'k (from here on: fuk ) players to stay logged off or else get warped straight back to our guys.
A few fuk players did log on and sure enough, landed on our guys that were already there.
I'm sure if the boot had been on the other foot we would have remained logged off to prevent losing ships to game mechanics like this.
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Awalance
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:28:00 -
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i remember 10 min after we jump in, cov ops pilot who was there all the time start calling targets ...but no one was there to shoot at targets...it was quite funny to heard primary and secondary but no fire power.1 Enemy megathron was scrambled for abaut 7 minutes at one of the planets and he call for backup ...but no body there for helping him 
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 25/07/2005 03:35:07
I lost a Megathron in/around E02 (bout 2 months ago only one to die while we killed 2 against G) due to lag. And refuse to fly down there in a gang over 20. It is just a terrible place for fleet battles.
Syndicate on the other hand is such a wonderful place for the same.
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 25/07/2005 04:03:22
i remember seeing the gate activate and folks saying .5. had jumped in, and then seeing 2 .5. decloak and then thats about it .. i had about enough time to scramble 1 of the ships and then everything just stopped for like 20 minutes till i finally got dumped
oh wait i forgot .. i was able to warp away once and then back and then had 7x .5. on scanner, but after that i was at the mercy of the ccp gods as i couldnt lock anything or move at all
after the lag fest it was just a matter of who could get more back online faster and .5. edged us out
excuse the flaming earlier .. tempers were a tad out of control with all the local chat drone BS .. when yer specifically trained high in drones and people make excuses and call em a lame tactic, it gets aggrevating 
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.07.25 05:47:00 -
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that sucks maybe next time let one fleet in 1st. If everyone just wants a fleet fight and to have some fun.
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Wrok
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Posted - 2005.07.25 07:38:00 -
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Wrok missed the party but im sure he would rather keep his ships then get "WTF|OMG|CANT|SHOOT|PWN|WHILE|IM|LOOKING|AT|MY|SCREEN|IN|AW".
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Monkey Time
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:08:00 -
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lag in general seems to be a lot worse since the patch, it seems to me. however, deploying all of your drones certainly didnt help, did it?
shame, we've had some really good fleet fights with Foundation. Always enjoyed fighting you guys.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:15:00 -
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 Originally by: slip66
that sucks maybe next time let one fleet in 1st. If everyone just wants a fleet fight and to have some fun.
Well thats the problem, I was not there I busy playing with xirt, hey xirtiepoo did you like that? However when Lallante contacted thier FC and requested not to let them in, but merely that they pull there drones in. The strong, brave, and already outnumbering FC told him to bugger off. That dude has a fat streak of class.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:25:00 -
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well this was the best lagFest ive been at..
just a shame we know the servers can take it "sometimes" remember the VV-VCR battles
it toook a while to load an ther was lag but u could actually fight and when time went on and more and more popped it only became better.
so maybe a little could be done to GW area so we actually can fight there.... blobing is a part of the game and u cant change it cause ppl wanna be in those major battles becasue its those u remember.
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BlackFury
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: BlackFury on 25/07/2005 08:52:24
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/07/2005 23:20:38
2nd we didnt offer a cease fire. your commander was contacted before the fight and told we would have a good fight against each other with the drones away.
At no point during last night was i contacted by 5 or V requesting drones to be put away.
I believe you may have spoken to Ushra Kahn but not Foundation.
Anywho, i did order the call in of drones as soon as you guys jumped in, realizing the lag was going to get silly.
Let the flames commence....
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BlackFury [-ALTZ-]
Alcatraz Inc
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FILFIUS
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:22:00 -
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It would have been great to be apart of a fight that big, shame about the lag, it seems that was the biggest killer. Its sad that the servers cant support a fight of this kind, or am I expecting too much ( Im not that technical ).
One other point was that V managed to honour a ceasefire but their allies knew nothing about this which seems strange. The only info I'm getting on this is from reading these posts,so maybe us neutrals are being fed bad info.
Anyone get any pics?
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:39:00 -
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FdD Banshee
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: FILFIUS
It would have been great to be apart of a fight that big, shame about the lag, it seems that was the biggest killer. Its sad that the servers cant support a fight of this kind, or am I expecting too much ( Im not that technical ).
One other point was that V managed to honour a ceasefire but their allies knew nothing about this which seems strange. The only info I'm getting on this is from reading these posts,so maybe us neutrals are being fed bad info.
Anyone get any pics?
Hi Filf, long time no see. Well just to explain for all ppl that haven't been involved in that fight, i has been that worst lagfest i've ever been in.
Thats how i saw "The Great Lag":
Jumping into M-M took about 45 seconds, loading animation and overview took about 3 minutes. The dudes that jumped in a few seconds earlier already started calling target but even after the overview was working it still took ages to get a lock on any target. So, target locked what now ? Starting the guns doesnt seemed to work at all, it took about 2 minutes from activating the guns till they finally started running. I cozldnt even tell if i hit anything cos there wasnt a message that told me if i did or missed. Next thing i did was a mistake, i switched targets and ..... right, nothing happend. My guns started flashing red for deactivation and thats all i've seen during the whole battle. They never stopped flashing red till the server crashed ( at least GW ) after about 30 minutes. Maybe we killed the server or CCP did reboot them after a few guys tried to file a "beeing stuck" petition. I tried the same cos someone had to fix the server and let the GM's know whats goin on but not even that worked for me, the petition window wasn't loading. 
Even by finding out that a joint mining op of 200 -F-/5/-V- pilots can kill a server we had a hell of a fun after we realized that we cant do anything about it and TS was goin nuts. 
I#M sure ppl took screenies and i think some guys even tried to fraps that event. Stay tuned for avaible screenies and maybe even movies.
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Cabal Leader
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Posted - 2005.07.25 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cabal Leader on 25/07/2005 10:38:15
Originally by: Tholarim
Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
So what your saying is if any of the V's High Ranking Officals state anything that its basically always a lie.
Thanks for the heads up .
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.25 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cabal Leader
Edited by: Cabal Leader on 25/07/2005 10:38:15
Originally by: Tholarim
Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
So what your saying is if any of the V's High Ranking Officals state anything that its basically always a lie.
Thanks for the heads up .
Am i part of V? do i speak for them? Was there any mention of a V leader negotiatind this ceasefire?
the answer to all of those is: no....
So go crawl back in your altcave and read the thread better next time, kthnx.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.25 11:08:00 -
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BlackFury, I was contacted, but as I was not commander I could not give any order to pull in drones, I passed the info into the F/UK commanders channel, but I think everyone was a bit busy. Just as I was about to pass a warning to 5 that we had not done anything yet I noticed I was alone in the convo and then the first ships started jumping through. The rest is history. Its war, **** happens.
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lansha
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Posted - 2005.07.25 13:52:00 -
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after reading this i can not believe how low [5] really are. knowing full well that there has been a server problem and multiple ctd/log offs due to the problems, and they had the 'bravery' to camp the gate and pop ppl that were loging back on..... now that's a fair fight?
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: lansha
after reading this i can not believe how low [5] really are. knowing full well that there has been a server problem and multiple ctd/log offs due to the problems, and they had the 'bravery' to camp the gate and pop ppl that were loging back on..... now that's a fair fight?
ok and how is you guys putting drones out and camping a gate for us (knowing well that jumping in 80 ppl causes immense lag and ctd's) any different?
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Cabal Leader
Edited by: Cabal Leader on 25/07/2005 10:38:15
Originally by: Tholarim
Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
So what your saying is if any of the V's High Ranking Officals state anything that its basically always a lie.
Thanks for the heads up .
Am i part of V? do i speak for them? Was there any mention of a V leader negotiatind this ceasefire?
the answer to all of those is: no....
So go crawl back in your altcave and read the thread better next time, kthnx.
Although the post is a little confusing, he is addressing 'The Five'.
'the V's' would be 'the 5' when using Roman numerals.
And I have to say 'the five' is probably one of the worst names I've seen for an alliance, most notably when you are at least 'the 7' by now.
And no longer my place to say such things, but nevermind - 'the five' - M. Corp, you could've done better. 
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:13:00 -
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Give [5] a break. Clearly they believe no amnesty had been agreed. Next time we need to be more careful after logging in after a lagfest and make sure we have spoken to someone with authority. I think any of us would find it hard to stop people shooting at a nice fat free target, even our honourable enenemy the CVA have been known to take advantage of lag fests. Lets move on and hope everyone gets their stuff back on both sides.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: lansha
after reading this i can not believe how low [5] really are. knowing full well that there has been a server problem and multiple ctd/log offs due to the problems, and they had the 'bravery' to camp the gate and pop ppl that were loging back on..... now that's a fair fight?
ppl chose to believe what they want to about us, dispite the evidence rather than because of it.. Most of our enemies are happy to take cheap shots at us, then complain when they back fire, your own leaders admit we made the attempt to make the fight fair before it started..
--thoth
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
your own leaders admit we made the attempt to make the fight fair before it started..
really? i guess i missed that part
NEVER on TS or in gang chat did i read or hear "bring in your drones" until AFTER everyone was already lagged to hell .. Ushra'khan says they were contacted, but clearly your leaders did not take the time to make sure the foundation leaders got the message
much respect to our Ushra'khan(sorry if im spelling it wrong) friends btw
can we get past this crap please? NOBODY DID ANYTHING WRONG .. last time i checked the description on drones didnt say "not for pvp combat use", and if you want to change that you should get your GM corp mates to push it through ... kthnxbye
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
BlackFury, I was contacted, but as I was not commander I could not give any order to pull in drones, I passed the info into the F/UK commanders channel, but I think everyone was a bit busy. Just as I was about to pass a warning to 5 that we had not done anything yet I noticed I was alone in the convo and then the first ships started jumping through. The rest is history. Its war, **** happens.
For those that missed this post the first time.
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:50:00 -
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LetĘs reexamine what happened.
Foundation and Co. form a blob of 100+ in their system that attracts 100+ [5] and Co. fleet. Foundation camps the gate with drones out to leg out [5] (thatĘs the only reason to have drones out, since they are useless long range or in fleet battles). Of course [5] will jump in. We always do. Problem is, not only does [5] get lagged out, so does Foundation by their own doing. Now everything stops working, so both [5] and Foundation start logging out or ctd. However, some Foundation members that were already loaded start shooting [5] as they started to de-cloak yet still unable to load in to the system. [5] members are dieing while Foundation is taking down every ship that they can. Finally some [5] members load in and start returning fire. The Foundation members that are logging back in are appearing on the battle field and are engaged by [5] while also taking losses. Here comes the funny/sad part.
Immediately Foundation starts blaming [5] for killing them while under cease fire? Cease fire? You have to be kidding me. LetĘs have a ceasefire so that we donĘt loose any ships to the lag that we created while killing every [5] ship that de-cloaks. LetĘs call [5] a bunch of bad names because they shot back. Lets blame [5] for the lag because they jumped in, since the drones donĘt cause lag. What a bunch of whiners you are. No wonder we are still shooting you.
If you wanted to make any deals with [5], you had the opportunity to do that before the fight, not after we start shooting you back. Never closed convo? Lag caused the window to close? That must be some bug, since a convo never, ever, closed on me before. You said that you told everybody to pull in their drones as soon as [5] jumped in? Yea, IĘll bet you did. You realized the lag was lagging out your own people, not only [5]. So honorable.
Next time except us to jump in (we always do), make arrangements with us before hand to minimize lag and we can have some fun. If you think that by deploying drones you will make us turn back, you donĘt know us very much. Arranged fleet fights with no drones are a lot of fun, ask FIX about that, but you have to be willing to fight in the first place. See you next weekend.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:00:00 -
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Its times like these that I miss fighting FIX. Oh my god those fights ruled... that one week with like 2 or 3 "arranged" battles was the funnest week in eve. And the balls on both sides... I remember the last fight we agreed to go safespot in P-Z so FIX could jump into system and warp to their own safespot, so it wouldn't lag on the jumpin. Then we both warped to the gate and started fighting it out... FIX eventually warped out, we started picking up cans, then FIX warps back, again, on top of us, outnumbered after losing several BS in the first fight. Another crazy fight ensues in which my incursus of doom somehow lives and gets several tackles, then I think there was yet another warp out and back in... insane.
basically the moral of this story is incursus 4tw.
Originally by: Sochin
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