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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Light Darkness on 24/07/2005 22:25:58
Hello EvE.
Today we get the "biggest" Lagfest in M-M.
2 Fleets with near the same number (100 vs 100 = last see in old time like Stain~CA) get contact in M-M at the E02 gate.
After 10 mins you see the screen and like after 10 mins you see a few POD¦s around on both sides.
This BattleField looks how a masaker field with many ships Pod¦s and cans. I hope this Topic get "good" posts from both sides after the fight (lag) and we get the result who won or not.
Fleet Fights 4TW
Regards
/LD
P.S:i know i loos my ship....again....or?
and gf on both sides
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:23:00 -
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Props for the fight with V and 5. What a shame it has been spoilt by this massive lag.
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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:26:00 -
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right now i am trying to find out if i am dead or alive :P
Only thing i know is that i locked someone, started shooting then nothing worked. Mega Lag, no reaction of modules, crashed!
Think i am dead but anyway...i will not say good fight but at least GOOD TRY!
We once more figured out that fleet fights with that big numbers just dont work in eve.
"-V- Vice President"
"-V- Minister of Foreign affairs"
"CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:38:00 -
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Was wondering what the uber red blob on the map was. Was thinking a mining op but no... 
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:47:00 -
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shame about the lag tbh, this looked like it was gonna be an awsome fight, it was something like 120 vs 100.
only thing that really spoilt it was 5 breaking their ceasefire and ganking us when we logged on, props to v for not doing the same.
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Ishana
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:48:00 -
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Yeah, props for -v- and [5] for fighting us. I was really looking forward to a good fight with you guys. To bad the server blew up or something 
Hopefully everyone will get their ships refunded from CCP when all this madness settles down.
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.07.24 22:54:00 -
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vv-something was bigger :)
anywayz hope you had fun wich it can be during such battles esp when it lasts quite a while ...if only CCP could fix the lag eh ?
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Re-activated ...
Now lets see whats new , do we like it or im i ending back in the freezer ?
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:05:00 -
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 Originally by: The Clash
vv-something was bigger :)
anywayz hope you had fun wich it can be during such battles esp when it lasts quite a while ...if only CCP could fix the lag eh ?
it was but there we also actually had a awesome fight lasting several hours
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:06:00 -
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As posted in the thread on general, the map thread crap put aside, total respect for V alliance for honoring the cease fire after this mess and allowing pilots of both sides to get their stuff together.
100% disrespect for The Five, for ignoring this cease fire, getting on the gate where everyone crashed and ganking people as they logged back in. Especially interesting to see that they did deploy their drones, which they beforehand accused us of for causing that massive lag spike.
I just want to clear up that our last gang size was not 100, but 57 Foundation and 23 Ushra K'han when your fleet jumped in on us. Considering the fact you jumped in and we were in position, a pretty even fight.
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Cloned Mark
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:10:00 -
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What ceasefire? I was not told on TS about any "ceasefire".
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
As posted in the thread on general, the map thread crap put aside, total respect for V alliance for honoring the cease fire after this mess and allowing pilots of both sides to get their stuff together.
100% disrespect for The Five, for ignoring this cease fire, getting on the gate where everyone crashed and ganking people as they logged back in. Especially interesting to see that they did deploy their drones, which they beforehand accused us of for causing that massive lag spike.
I just want to clear up that our last gang size was not 100, but 57 Foundation and 23 Ushra K'han when your fleet jumped in on us. Considering the fact you jumped in and we were in position, a pretty even fight.
1 member of 5 talking about a possible ceasefire on the forums does not represent our official stance on it now does it? Thought so.
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:18:00 -
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then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/07/2005 23:20:38
also those drones were yours you had left at gate
idiots
2nd we didnt offer a cease fire. your commander was contacted before the fight and told we would have a good fight against each other with the drones away.
you gave us no quater we returned no quater.
you were very happy to pop our bs as they lagged out as they jumped in.
you got 5 5 bs without them loading a thing.
think of this as evening the score.
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/07/2005 23:20:38
also those drones were yours you had left at gate
idiots
2nd we didnt offer a cease fire. your commander was contacted before the fight and told we would have a good fight against each other with the drones away.
you gave us no quater we returned no quater.
you were very happy to pop our bs as they lagged out as they jumped in.
you got 5 5 bs without them loading a thing.
think of this as evening the score.
and you got how many when we logged back in? anyway i only have heard of 2
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: munchy
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/07/2005 23:20:38
also those drones were yours you had left at gate
idiots
2nd we didnt offer a cease fire. your commander was contacted before the fight and told we would have a good fight against each other with the drones away.
you gave us no quater we returned no quater.
you were very happy to pop our bs as they lagged out as they jumped in.
you got 5 5 bs without them loading a thing.
think of this as evening the score.
and you got how many when we logged back in? anyway i only have heard of 2
you can check that here: five killboard
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:24:00 -
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Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/07/2005 23:24:10
kills
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 24/07/2005 23:32:23
fight is over, whats done is done .. we expected no quarter yet somehow our commanders got word that there was a ceasefire .. i'm pretty sure it didnt just appear out of mid air .. maybe it was misscommunication, maybe not, nobody knows
next topic............
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:25:00 -
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so coem on then, who won? :D
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 24/07/2005 23:29:57
nm
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:29:00 -
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my mistake, 2 of the guys who got those kills logged halfway through the lag due to RL.
but it still doesnt excuse making it look like you have a ceasefire and then calling it off, i guess you are right we should have double checked, we have learned our lesson and will make sure not to trust your agreements in future, or at least i will anyway.
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:31:00 -
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oh i dunno, could it have been we had the V fleet on the other side of our force we were still trying to get a warp in on? 
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:31:00 -
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ask fix we have had a few organised fleet fights with them
worked fine
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: munchy
my mistake, 2 of the guys who got those kills logged halfway through the lag due to RL.
but it still doesnt excuse making it look like you have a ceasefire and then calling it off, i guess you are right we should have double checked, we have learned our lesson and will make sure not to trust your agreements in future, or at least i will anyway.
Lol don't call it an agreement if the 5 leadership never agreed to anything.
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
ask fix we have had a few organised fleet fights with them
worked fine
since when was this arranged?
and thol, i guess velios doesnt count as a high ranking 5 member then, thats nice to know.
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Raeff
why the F*** are we even arguing with each other .. ccp wtfpwned us
agreed, last post
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:35:00 -
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why the F*** are we even arguing with each other .. ccp wtfpwned us
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: munchy
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
ask fix we have had a few organised fleet fights with them
worked fine
since when was this arranged?
and thol, i guess velios doesnt count as a high ranking 5 member then, thats nice to know.
He wasn't in charge of the fleet at that time. His rank in 5 is not under discussion here tbfh.
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.07.24 23:48:00 -
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not me, I was at work at the time 
omg, primary!!!
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:06:00 -
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Can anyone give us some more specific details? I'm sure it was a good fight but..
Kills/Losses on each side?
Which side achieved their objective? i.e. stopping the opposing fleet from entering their territory? Or was it just a pure destruction contest...
Which side held the battlefield at the end, and collected the several hundred millions of ISK's worth of loot?
I think that's what a lot of us are wondering.
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HeadHunta II
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: HeadHunta II on 25/07/2005 00:19:18
Well, i dont care who "won" this lagfest. It was just impossible to fight and i think many ships on each side got destroyed while ppl crashed or asked on Teamspeak "Hey, do you see anything?!" or "Hmmm, my cap isnt empty but my boosters running 15min now!" 
I dunno how i survived this, but it has def. nothing to do with skills, lol.
"-V- Vice President"
"-V- Minister of Foreign affairs"
"CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
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anister
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: anister on 25/07/2005 00:21:52
There was no engagement as such, the lag was so bad on jump in that i think everyone in the system had issues with it.
I thought i killed something but upon getting back into the game it turned out i had been killed.
There was no target calling as nobody capable of doing so had loaded, most of the [5] guys took in excess of 10 minutes to load into M-M, those that loaded early were also killed, although most don't know what by or how, just *boom* pod.
It would have probably been one of the fights of the year if it had gone smooth, but alas it didn't.
We had the nads to jump in, foundation/u'k had the nads to stay, but that was about it.
*edit, this post was in response to Angelus X's post.
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Altai Saker
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Posted - 2005.07.25 00:53:00 -
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Their is an easy solution, stop blobbing
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Avalon Beholder
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:06:00 -
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Its not blobbing, its just coincidental similarity of position.
It was ridiculous, but both sides lost about equal BSs. (6 or 7) and .5. held the field because UK mostly chose to log off because of the lag.
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:32:00 -
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.5. is mostly uk
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anister
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Posted - 2005.07.25 01:44:00 -
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I think we held the position simply due to us having players that managed to remain in the game.
As you know when logging on you warp back to last position, we had players there and word probably spread to foundation and u'k (from here on: fuk ) players to stay logged off or else get warped straight back to our guys.
A few fuk players did log on and sure enough, landed on our guys that were already there.
I'm sure if the boot had been on the other foot we would have remained logged off to prevent losing ships to game mechanics like this.
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Awalance
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:28:00 -
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i remember 10 min after we jump in, cov ops pilot who was there all the time start calling targets ...but no one was there to shoot at targets...it was quite funny to heard primary and secondary but no fire power.1 Enemy megathron was scrambled for abaut 7 minutes at one of the planets and he call for backup ...but no body there for helping him 
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:35:00 -
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Edited by: Stormfront on 25/07/2005 03:35:07
I lost a Megathron in/around E02 (bout 2 months ago only one to die while we killed 2 against G) due to lag. And refuse to fly down there in a gang over 20. It is just a terrible place for fleet battles.
Syndicate on the other hand is such a wonderful place for the same.
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.25 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Raeff on 25/07/2005 04:03:22
i remember seeing the gate activate and folks saying .5. had jumped in, and then seeing 2 .5. decloak and then thats about it .. i had about enough time to scramble 1 of the ships and then everything just stopped for like 20 minutes till i finally got dumped
oh wait i forgot .. i was able to warp away once and then back and then had 7x .5. on scanner, but after that i was at the mercy of the ccp gods as i couldnt lock anything or move at all
after the lag fest it was just a matter of who could get more back online faster and .5. edged us out
excuse the flaming earlier .. tempers were a tad out of control with all the local chat drone BS .. when yer specifically trained high in drones and people make excuses and call em a lame tactic, it gets aggrevating 
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.07.25 05:47:00 -
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that sucks maybe next time let one fleet in 1st. If everyone just wants a fleet fight and to have some fun.
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Wrok
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Posted - 2005.07.25 07:38:00 -
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Wrok missed the party but im sure he would rather keep his ships then get "WTF|OMG|CANT|SHOOT|PWN|WHILE|IM|LOOKING|AT|MY|SCREEN|IN|AW".
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Monkey Time
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:08:00 -
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lag in general seems to be a lot worse since the patch, it seems to me. however, deploying all of your drones certainly didnt help, did it?
shame, we've had some really good fleet fights with Foundation. Always enjoyed fighting you guys.
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: slip66
that sucks maybe next time let one fleet in 1st. If everyone just wants a fleet fight and to have some fun.
Well thats the problem, I was not there I busy playing with xirt, hey xirtiepoo did you like that? However when Lallante contacted thier FC and requested not to let them in, but merely that they pull there drones in. The strong, brave, and already outnumbering FC told him to bugger off. That dude has a fat streak of class.
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:25:00 -
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well this was the best lagFest ive been at..
just a shame we know the servers can take it "sometimes" remember the VV-VCR battles
it toook a while to load an ther was lag but u could actually fight and when time went on and more and more popped it only became better.
so maybe a little could be done to GW area so we actually can fight there.... blobing is a part of the game and u cant change it cause ppl wanna be in those major battles becasue its those u remember.
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BlackFury
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Posted - 2005.07.25 08:51:00 -
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Edited by: BlackFury on 25/07/2005 08:52:24
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 24/07/2005 23:20:38
2nd we didnt offer a cease fire. your commander was contacted before the fight and told we would have a good fight against each other with the drones away.
At no point during last night was i contacted by 5 or V requesting drones to be put away.
I believe you may have spoken to Ushra Kahn but not Foundation.
Anywho, i did order the call in of drones as soon as you guys jumped in, realizing the lag was going to get silly.
Let the flames commence....
edit for typos
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BlackFury [-ALTZ-]
Alcatraz Inc
Foundation Fleet Commander
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FILFIUS
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:22:00 -
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It would have been great to be apart of a fight that big, shame about the lag, it seems that was the biggest killer. Its sad that the servers cant support a fight of this kind, or am I expecting too much ( Im not that technical ).
One other point was that V managed to honour a ceasefire but their allies knew nothing about this which seems strange. The only info I'm getting on this is from reading these posts,so maybe us neutrals are being fed bad info.
Anyone get any pics?
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munchy
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:39:00 -
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http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/fu/ownage.png
http://www.eve-files.com/media/07/fleet2a.bmp
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FdD Banshee
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Posted - 2005.07.25 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: FILFIUS
It would have been great to be apart of a fight that big, shame about the lag, it seems that was the biggest killer. Its sad that the servers cant support a fight of this kind, or am I expecting too much ( Im not that technical ).
One other point was that V managed to honour a ceasefire but their allies knew nothing about this which seems strange. The only info I'm getting on this is from reading these posts,so maybe us neutrals are being fed bad info.
Anyone get any pics?
Hi Filf, long time no see. Well just to explain for all ppl that haven't been involved in that fight, i has been that worst lagfest i've ever been in.
Thats how i saw "The Great Lag":
Jumping into M-M took about 45 seconds, loading animation and overview took about 3 minutes. The dudes that jumped in a few seconds earlier already started calling target but even after the overview was working it still took ages to get a lock on any target. So, target locked what now ? Starting the guns doesnt seemed to work at all, it took about 2 minutes from activating the guns till they finally started running. I cozldnt even tell if i hit anything cos there wasnt a message that told me if i did or missed. Next thing i did was a mistake, i switched targets and ..... right, nothing happend. My guns started flashing red for deactivation and thats all i've seen during the whole battle. They never stopped flashing red till the server crashed ( at least GW ) after about 30 minutes. Maybe we killed the server or CCP did reboot them after a few guys tried to file a "beeing stuck" petition. I tried the same cos someone had to fix the server and let the GM's know whats goin on but not even that worked for me, the petition window wasn't loading.
Even by finding out that a joint mining op of 200 -F-/5/-V- pilots can kill a server we had a hell of a fun after we realized that we cant do anything about it and TS was goin nuts.
I#M sure ppl took screenies and i think some guys even tried to fraps that event. Stay tuned for avaible screenies and maybe even movies.
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Cabal Leader
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Posted - 2005.07.25 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Cabal Leader on 25/07/2005 10:38:15
Originally by: Tholarim
Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
So what your saying is if any of the V's High Ranking Officals state anything that its basically always a lie.
Thanks for the heads up .
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.25 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cabal Leader
Edited by: Cabal Leader on 25/07/2005 10:38:15
Originally by: Tholarim
Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
So what your saying is if any of the V's High Ranking Officals state anything that its basically always a lie.
Thanks for the heads up .
Am i part of V? do i speak for them? Was there any mention of a V leader negotiatind this ceasefire?
the answer to all of those is: no....
So go crawl back in your altcave and read the thread better next time, kthnx.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.25 11:08:00 -
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BlackFury, I was contacted, but as I was not commander I could not give any order to pull in drones, I passed the info into the F/UK commanders channel, but I think everyone was a bit busy. Just as I was about to pass a warning to 5 that we had not done anything yet I noticed I was alone in the convo and then the first ships started jumping through. The rest is history. Its war, **** happens.
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lansha
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Posted - 2005.07.25 13:52:00 -
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after reading this i can not believe how low [5] really are. knowing full well that there has been a server problem and multiple ctd/log offs due to the problems, and they had the 'bravery' to camp the gate and pop ppl that were loging back on..... now that's a fair fight?
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: lansha
after reading this i can not believe how low [5] really are. knowing full well that there has been a server problem and multiple ctd/log offs due to the problems, and they had the 'bravery' to camp the gate and pop ppl that were loging back on..... now that's a fair fight?
ok and how is you guys putting drones out and camping a gate for us (knowing well that jumping in 80 ppl causes immense lag and ctd's) any different?
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Cabal Leader
Edited by: Cabal Leader on 25/07/2005 10:38:15
Originally by: Tholarim
Edited by: Tholarim on 24/07/2005 23:20:18
Originally by: munchy
then why did you not make it clear that that was NOT official, we were told by a high ranking 5 member that we would have a ceasefire, then you wait till we're logging on to tell us that its off.
you ASSUMED, without even trying to confirm it. That's not my fault now is it. Eye for an eye as far as i see it.
So what your saying is if any of the V's High Ranking Officals state anything that its basically always a lie.
Thanks for the heads up .
Am i part of V? do i speak for them? Was there any mention of a V leader negotiatind this ceasefire?
the answer to all of those is: no....
So go crawl back in your altcave and read the thread better next time, kthnx.
Although the post is a little confusing, he is addressing 'The Five'.
'the V's' would be 'the 5' when using Roman numerals.
And I have to say 'the five' is probably one of the worst names I've seen for an alliance, most notably when you are at least 'the 7' by now.
And no longer my place to say such things, but nevermind - 'the five' - M. Corp, you could've done better. 
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:13:00 -
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Give [5] a break. Clearly they believe no amnesty had been agreed. Next time we need to be more careful after logging in after a lagfest and make sure we have spoken to someone with authority. I think any of us would find it hard to stop people shooting at a nice fat free target, even our honourable enenemy the CVA have been known to take advantage of lag fests. Lets move on and hope everyone gets their stuff back on both sides.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: lansha
after reading this i can not believe how low [5] really are. knowing full well that there has been a server problem and multiple ctd/log offs due to the problems, and they had the 'bravery' to camp the gate and pop ppl that were loging back on..... now that's a fair fight?
ppl chose to believe what they want to about us, dispite the evidence rather than because of it.. Most of our enemies are happy to take cheap shots at us, then complain when they back fire, your own leaders admit we made the attempt to make the fight fair before it started..
--thoth
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
your own leaders admit we made the attempt to make the fight fair before it started..
really? i guess i missed that part
NEVER on TS or in gang chat did i read or hear "bring in your drones" until AFTER everyone was already lagged to hell .. Ushra'khan says they were contacted, but clearly your leaders did not take the time to make sure the foundation leaders got the message
much respect to our Ushra'khan(sorry if im spelling it wrong) friends btw
can we get past this crap please? NOBODY DID ANYTHING WRONG .. last time i checked the description on drones didnt say "not for pvp combat use", and if you want to change that you should get your GM corp mates to push it through ... kthnxbye
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Maggot
BlackFury, I was contacted, but as I was not commander I could not give any order to pull in drones, I passed the info into the F/UK commanders channel, but I think everyone was a bit busy. Just as I was about to pass a warning to 5 that we had not done anything yet I noticed I was alone in the convo and then the first ships started jumping through. The rest is history. Its war, **** happens.
For those that missed this post the first time.
--thoth
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.07.25 14:50:00 -
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LetÆs reexamine what happened.
Foundation and Co. form a blob of 100+ in their system that attracts 100+ [5] and Co. fleet. Foundation camps the gate with drones out to leg out [5] (thatÆs the only reason to have drones out, since they are useless long range or in fleet battles). Of course [5] will jump in. We always do. Problem is, not only does [5] get lagged out, so does Foundation by their own doing. Now everything stops working, so both [5] and Foundation start logging out or ctd. However, some Foundation members that were already loaded start shooting [5] as they started to de-cloak yet still unable to load in to the system. [5] members are dieing while Foundation is taking down every ship that they can. Finally some [5] members load in and start returning fire. The Foundation members that are logging back in are appearing on the battle field and are engaged by [5] while also taking losses. Here comes the funny/sad part.
Immediately Foundation starts blaming [5] for killing them while under cease fire? Cease fire? You have to be kidding me. LetÆs have a ceasefire so that we donÆt loose any ships to the lag that we created while killing every [5] ship that de-cloaks. LetÆs call [5] a bunch of bad names because they shot back. Lets blame [5] for the lag because they jumped in, since the drones donÆt cause lag. What a bunch of whiners you are. No wonder we are still shooting you.
If you wanted to make any deals with [5], you had the opportunity to do that before the fight, not after we start shooting you back. Never closed convo? Lag caused the window to close? That must be some bug, since a convo never, ever, closed on me before. You said that you told everybody to pull in their drones as soon as [5] jumped in? Yea, IÆll bet you did. You realized the lag was lagging out your own people, not only [5]. So honorable.
Next time except us to jump in (we always do), make arrangements with us before hand to minimize lag and we can have some fun. If you think that by deploying drones you will make us turn back, you donÆt know us very much. Arranged fleet fights with no drones are a lot of fun, ask FIX about that, but you have to be willing to fight in the first place. See you next weekend.
The truth will set you free
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:00:00 -
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Its times like these that I miss fighting FIX. Oh my god those fights ruled... that one week with like 2 or 3 "arranged" battles was the funnest week in eve. And the balls on both sides... I remember the last fight we agreed to go safespot in P-Z so FIX could jump into system and warp to their own safespot, so it wouldn't lag on the jumpin. Then we both warped to the gate and started fighting it out... FIX eventually warped out, we started picking up cans, then FIX warps back, again, on top of us, outnumbered after losing several BS in the first fight. Another crazy fight ensues in which my incursus of doom somehow lives and gets several tackles, then I think there was yet another warp out and back in... insane.
basically the moral of this story is incursus 4tw.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 25/07/2005 15:08:40
i remember that fight.. it was crazy.. and fun :) it's those sorts of situation that won FIX alot of respect..
i remember one of the fights they jumped in while we stayed on the gate @ comabt range and watched, no one fired on them to allow them to form up and have a proper fight..
--thoth
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:34:00 -
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i hate lag fest blob fights and will do my best never to be a part of them...
After 2 years of playing eve, u guys still think 100 V 100 is possible in one system?.
the real fun in EVE is small well organised gangs.
d solo.
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anister
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Posted - 2005.07.25 15:59:00 -
[63]
Originally by: thoth foc
Edited by: thoth foc on 25/07/2005 15:08:40
i remember that fight.. it was crazy.. and fun :) it's those sorts of situation that won FIX alot of respect..
i remember one of the fights they jumped in while we stayed on the gate @ comabt range and watched, no one fired on them to allow them to form up and have a proper fight..
Then there was that arranged fight we had at the planet, that was a lot of fun too.
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Shayla Sh'inlux
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Posted - 2005.07.25 16:39:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Metal Dude
Edited by: Metal Dude on 25/07/2005 15:12:36
LetÆs reexamine what happened.
Foundation and Co. form a blob of 100+ in their system that attracts 100+ [5] and Co. fleet. Foundation camps the gate with drones out to lag out [5] (thatÆs the only reason to have drones out, since they are useless long range or in fleet battles). Of course [5] will jump in. We always do. Problem is, not only does [5] get lagged out, so does Foundation by their own doing. Now everything stops working, so both [5] and Foundation start logging out or ctd. However, some Foundation members that were already loaded start shooting [5] as they started to de-cloak yet still unable to load in to the system. [5] members are dieing while Foundation is taking down every ship that they can. Finally some [5] members load in and start returning fire. The Foundation members that are logging back in are appearing on the battle field and are engaged by [5] while also taking losses. Here comes the funny/sad part.
Immediately Foundation starts blaming [5] for killing them while under cease fire? Cease fire? You have to be kidding me. LetÆs have a ceasefire so that we donÆt loose any ships to the lag that we created while killing every [5] ship that de-cloaks. LetÆs call [5] a bunch of bad names because they shot back. Lets blame [5] for the lag because they jumped in, since the drones donÆt cause lag. What a bunch of whiners you are. No wonder we are still shooting you.
If you wanted to make any deals with [5], you had the opportunity to do that before the fight, not after we start shooting you back. Never closed convo? Lag caused the window to close? That must be some bug, since a convo never, ever, closed on me before. You said that you told everybody to pull in their drones as soon as [5] jumped in? Yea, IÆll bet you did. You realized the lag was lagging out your own people, not only [5]. So honorable.
Next time expect us to jump in (we always do), make arrangements with us before hand to minimize lag and we can have some fun. If you think that by deploying drones you will make us turn back, you donÆt know us very well. Arranged fleet fights with no drones are a lot of fun, ask FIX about that, but you have to be willing to fight in the first place. See you next weekend.
Wow you have some warped perception of events...
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.07.25 16:41:00 -
[65]
Edited by: thoth foc on 25/07/2005 16:44:40
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Wow you have some warped perception of events...
so if his doesnt agree with yours, his is warped?
--thoth
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.07.25 16:54:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
Wow you have some warped perception of events...
Please, let's hear your side, however warped it might be
The truth will set you free
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.25 17:40:00 -
[67]
you .5. guys are just freakin hillarious
keep it comin though, its quite entertaining and keeps me awake at work
next time evemail ME and i will be sure to meet each and every demand .. ibis fleet suit you? i dont think they can carry drones can they?
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.07.25 19:28:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Hast on 25/07/2005 19:29:11
Originally by: Raeff
you .5. guys are just freakin hillarious
keep it comin though, its quite entertaining and keeps me awake at work
next time evemail ME and i will be sure to meet each and every demand .. ibis fleet suit you? i dont think they can carry drones can they?
its not the drones we are whining about, altho its lame, its a valid tactic, its the fact that you say something about a ceasefire that gets people going. dont see any point in this argue anyways. Especially since I wasnt there.
WORK 4TL
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Jungle Jim
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Posted - 2005.07.26 09:29:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Hast
Edited by: Hast on 25/07/2005 19:29:11
Originally by: Raeff
you .5. guys are just freakin hillarious
keep it comin though, its quite entertaining and keeps me awake at work
next time evemail ME and i will be sure to meet each and every demand .. ibis fleet suit you? i dont think they can carry drones can they?
its not the drones we are whining about, altho its lame, its a valid tactic, its the fact that you say something about a ceasefire that gets people going. dont see any point in this argue anyways. Especially since I wasnt there.
WORK 4TL
It was quite clearly stated in a thread in the Eve General Dicussion forum by "Velios" of "M.Corp" of "The Five".
"Genuine Smart Idea" or "Lame Tactic"... draw your own conclusions...
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Jherek Cornelian
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:28:00 -
[70]
This is more or less what happened.
Foundation had their drones out
5 jumped in
Foundation started shooting
5 started shooting
5 complained Foundation had our drones out making system lag.
Foundation pulled their drones back - as best they could.
Lag remained.
Some ships we lost, quite who's ships I have no idea.
Everyone's screens froze for 20 mins.
Quite a lot of good humour in local, very little smack (a bit of drones talk)
Some people dropped, some people didn't
Someone mentioned an amnesty.
Foundation beleived there was one.
V beleived there was one.
5 didn't beleive there was one.
5 have turkey shoot.
Some people in Foundation lose ships
Foundation realise there is no amnesty
yadda yadda amnesty - drones - lag - ccp - new content - just you wait - pwn - look how uber we are - no your not - etc etc.
Foundation alliance forum advise to petition losses
5 alliance forum advises to petition loses
Lots of people start ranting on forums more yadda yadda - drones - we would not have - yes you would - ccp - lag - amnesty - we are 5 - no your not, your 7 - If V hadn't - If foundation hadn't - I never loved you anyway, etc etc.
think that's more or less sums it up.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:37:00 -
[71]
Edited by: Cardassius on 26/07/2005 11:39:42
Oh by the way for the Foundation/Ushra guys who have killmails, send them to
skizz at home dot nl or post them on our forum at http://forum.veritas-immortalis.org so i can put them in and make it more accurate.
http://kills.veritas-immortalis.org/public/fleetdetail.php?id=13
Fekking ubb noobness @ ccp
 Ascendancy Inc. Recruiting!
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Tr4XX
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:39:00 -
[72]
thanks jer.
now close this topic plz
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maria stallion
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Posted - 2005.07.26 11:45:00 -
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I want to say that the turn out was great and it was really nice to see so many people with the same passion for fighting.
This is what it's all about... Fighting, offcourse there is smack and flaming,
I don't take all those thing serieus anymore, it more like propaganda.
I find it dissapointing that ccp hasn't take any action for the fleet battle, while serveral people had warnend in official eve channels.
when people finally could log back on and 5 started shooting that really sucks, but I think it's not 5 there fault but CCP fault, if they fight went through without the server freezing up, we would had a clear and fun fight.
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hezie99
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:04:00 -
[74]
is what i do find relatively amusing is all the talk of oh it wasnt a fair fight, in war anything goes u use all the tools at your disposal to win.
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Tholarim
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:08:00 -
[75]
Originally by: hezie99
is what i do find relatively amusing is all the talk of oh it wasnt a fair fight, in war anything goes u use all the tools at your disposal to win.
Shame this is a game and not an actual war then.
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Arimas Talasko
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:14:00 -
[76]
Seriously now who doesn't know that drones cause insane lag in fleet battles? With all due respect it is rather strange that experienced PVP'ers seems to right now be struggling with this fact. It's pretty well known.
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.26 12:39:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Jherek Cornelian
This is more or less what happened.
Foundation had their drones out
5 jumped in
Foundation started shooting
5 started shooting
5 complained Foundation had our drones out making system lag.
Foundation pulled their drones back - as best they could.
Lag remained.
Some ships we lost, quite who's ships I have no idea.
Everyone's screens froze for 20 mins.
Quite a lot of good humour in local, very little smack (a bit of drones talk)
Some people dropped, some people didn't
Someone mentioned an amnesty.
Foundation beleived there was one.
V beleived there was one.
5 didn't beleive there was one.
5 have turkey shoot.
Some people in Foundation lose ships
Foundation realise there is no amnesty
yadda yadda amnesty - drones - lag - ccp - new content - just you wait - pwn - look how uber we are - no your not - etc etc.
Foundation alliance forum advise to petition losses
5 alliance forum advises to petition loses
Lots of people start ranting on forums more yadda yadda - drones - we would not have - yes you would - ccp - lag - amnesty - we are 5 - no your not, your 7 - If V hadn't - If foundation hadn't - I never loved you anyway, etc etc.
think that's more or less sums it up.
^ what he said
"we are 5 - no your not, your 7"
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Sassinak
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:21:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Shayla Sh'inlux
As posted in the thread on general, the map thread crap put aside, total respect for V alliance for honoring the cease fire after this mess and allowing pilots of both sides to get their stuff together.
100% disrespect for The Five, for ignoring this cease fire, getting on the gate where everyone crashed and ganking people as they logged back in. Especially interesting to see that they did deploy their drones, which they beforehand accused us of for causing that massive lag spike.
I just want to clear up that our last gang size was not 100, but 57 Foundation and 23 Ushra K'han when your fleet jumped in on us. Considering the fact you jumped in and we were in position, a pretty even fight.
Cease fires make poor Sass cry
Please dont ever mention that word again in my presence.
Thx
Sass
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:35:00 -
[79]
Originally by: hezie99
is what i do find relatively amusing is all the talk of oh it wasnt a fair fight, in war anything goes u use all the tools at your disposal to win.
then why are you crying about losing ships during a supposed "cease fire?"
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Ishana
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:43:00 -
[80]
Mods, plz lock. This thread has run it's course.
ktnx.
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2005.07.26 13:54:00 -
[81]
I am still looking for foundation/ushra ppl who can send me killmails from that fight.
Ascendancy Inc. Recruiting!
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:16:00 -
[82]
well, im not exactly sure which ones are which on the killboard .. all i can tell ya for sure is atleast 16 killmails were posted for that timeframe(some might have been shortly before and shortly after)(i see 3 BS/7-8 ceptors/several frigs/several capsules/few cov-ops) .. thought we downed atleast 5 BS's and 2 ceptors in that 1 encounter, but im not sure .. not everyone posts their mails though
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Metal Dude
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:21:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r
Originally by: hezie99
is what i do find relatively amusing is all the talk of oh it wasnt a fair fight, in war anything goes u use all the tools at your disposal to win.
then why are you crying about losing ships during a supposed "cease fire?"
Exactly.
This is not a real war!
We warned you about drones causing lag in huge fleet battles. You felt that all is fair in war. OK. We jump in to a disadvantage and you want a cease fire and go asking for one on public forums? V knew that there was one? Well, IÆm sorry, but first of all we donÆt make agreements on public forums, second we donÆt fallow any agreements that V makes since we are [5]. If anything, we make the agreements and check with V, not the other way around (No disrespect to V, itÆs just how we are with everybody).
Then you start calling us lame because we turkey shoot you? What about you attempting to turkey shoot us with your drones causing lag? We gave back to you what you had in store for us and it hurts, hey? Good. Learn how to fight and you wonÆt need drones to save you.
If you remember that this is a game, next time maybe we can have some fun. Believe it or not, that could have been one of the best battles all of us had in in a while. I hope you guys learn your lessons and donÆt make the same mistakes over and over. Kill or be killed, itÆs the experience that counts. This is a game after all, not real war. Get it?
The truth will set you free
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Zzazzt
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:28:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r
then why are you crying about losing ships during a supposed "cease fire?"
I don;t think you'll find that hezie ever was...
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=202351 |
hezie99
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:54:00 -
[85]
Edited by: hezie99 on 26/07/2005 14:54:48
nope as i logged to sleep, but even if i was there i wouldnt of cared about a cease fire and u say it isnt a real war yes you are correct but im sure if it was encroaching on curse u would be deadly serious. 5 are just a bunch of moans and everyone on the forums can see it for themselves with the amount of crap u talk. any last thing i will post on this subject
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Ishana
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Posted - 2005.07.26 14:59:00 -
[86]
Quote:
If you remember that this is a game, next time maybe we can have some fun. Believe it or not, that could have been one of the best battles all of us had in in a while.
I think this is the whole problem with the situation. People wanted a nice fight. We were going to have one until the server went nuts. This is what people are really ****ed about I think, even got frustrated over. I don't think that anyone really cares that much about the lost ships. (at least I have heard none complain in foundation about loosing a ship)
People just want to try and point at a guilty party, because we were deprived of what would have been a really good fight. The guilty party in this case is clearly CCP's server, not being up to the task.
All this talk about drones and a cease fire, is just allot of hot air IMHO. And has nothing to do with what happened.
Just to clarify, I understand that [5] didn't know about any cease fire. There was a post by a -V- member in these boards that the people in foundation read. this info was relayed on TS as a possible agreement. Unfortunately the servers went back up before anything could be officially discussed with -V- or [5]. I don't blame [5] for shooting our re-logging ships, although it would have been a nice gesture if they hadend.
As for Foundation being asked to recall drones. As you could have read in multiple posts, no agreement was made. No mention on TS or chat of your request. Should you have had patience while making this request, it might have been carried out. On the other hand, drones are there to be used. Everyone does. Foundation, -V- AND [5] all use drones when in the "defending" position. Not only to produce lag (which works both ways) as you seem to try and put it, but they are a very good defense against tacklers.
On a side note to that, I was in a tackler and got battle messages that I was being missed by LD's drones. So IF drones were the "killer" here as you make them out to be, then you guys are just as guilty for launching them the moment you uncloaked.
K i'm done. this thread is making me sick.
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.07.26 15:23:00 -
[87]
It was I that proposed "an amnesty" while both fleets recovered their position once the lag subsided. This however was not popular (and on reflection rightly so) as we could not be sure whether it would be honoured on either side.
Remember, 5 fleet was completely in the dark for a good 30 minutes while all this was being suggested, we were completely unaware of what the damage inflicted upon us would be when the dust settled.
When 5 members were able to log in again we found ourselves holding the gate and began the process of recovering our lost cans and the cans of enemies at the E02 gate.
We were also sat amongst many many enemy drones that had been abandoned at the gate. Finding ourselves in this fortunate position the 5 fleet was able to hold that gate and insure the safe arrival of our returning pilots to that gate.
The whole affair was very messy. I personally have no beef with the deployment of drones. Battles of a similar size have occurred before with no problems and tbh... I don't blame FC's for using any tactic they can in a battle to gain the upper hand.
I am sure we will repeat this battle in the future !!!
Exciting times ahead guys.
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Raeff
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Posted - 2005.07.26 15:50:00 -
[88]
Velios post is a good ending point .. can we get a lock now?
please
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Light Darkness
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Posted - 2005.07.26 16:31:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Light Darkness on 26/07/2005 16:33:10
Yes lock pls after my post.
We all (F/UK/friends = -V-/.5./friends) wanted a nice fleet fight.
We all entered this system for a nice fight.
We all see the lag and many from all sides was a bit disapointed about the lag.
After reboot from system we all was a bit confused. And so missunderstand was programmed.
So. Next time we hope we all get a better fight without the lag.
Regards
/LD
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Cadman Weyland
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Posted - 2005.07.26 16:47:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r
Foundation (F) + ushrakhan (uk) = fuk?
Your not my type
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.07.27 09:09:00 -
[91]
Why were U'K involved if I may ask?
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.07.27 09:14:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Cardassius
I am still looking for foundation/ushra ppl who can send me killmails from that fight.
Card, most of our members do not frequent this particular forum much (we use the IG summit mostly, being roleplayers that we are) so if you head on over to our forums and stick a little post there, that will get you the information you require I would think.
Unfortunately I was not at the fight, seems a shame such a big battle was ruined by lag, but thats EVE.
Pop on over to the summit some time tho, kick back.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.27 09:16:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Maggot on 27/07/2005 09:16:51
Quote:
Why were U'K involved if I may ask?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=206063
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Liet Traep
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Posted - 2005.07.28 11:29:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Maggot
Edited by: Maggot on 27/07/2005 09:16:51
Quote:
Why were U'K involved if I may ask?
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=206063
Sorry that link leads nowhere.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2005.07.28 11:45:00 -
[95]
aaah, you gotta love blobfests.
Oh the memories.
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.07.28 11:47:00 -
[96]
Link edited. Formal U'K statement later today. |
Madswede
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Posted - 2005.07.30 18:17:00 -
[97]
That was without a doubt the stupidest fight I have ever taken part in.
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Keorm
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Posted - 2005.08.01 15:50:00 -
[98]
Its easy to get miners to come to a battle called "Who's got the biggest fleet"
But you are gonna regret it next time too.
Here's to putting ballz back into battles with smaller Gank Squads that can actually see whats going on instead of the lagfest that these new alliances still think prove something.
When fear of losing implants motivates a fleet of 40 ships to wait till the other 100 miners show up there has got to be a consequence.
Is ccp supposed to configure the servers to handle 200 ships in a system all doing different stuff in the same place? Where will it stop ?
Give CCP and yourself a break and go back to normal fleet actions or elite gank squads.
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2005.08.01 17:08:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Keorm
Give CCP and yourself a break and go back to normal fleet actions
This was a normal fleet action, r-tard.
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FdD Banshee
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:21:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Keorm
Its easy to get miners to come to a battle called "Who's got the biggest fleet"
As far as i know we don't hardly have any miners within -V-.
Originally by: Keorm
that these new alliances still think prove something.
Who do you call "new alliances" ? U'K has been around for a while so has -V- and most of us ( -V- ) have been with other alliances before.
Originally by: Keorm
When fear of losing implants motivates a fleet of 40 ships to wait till the other 100 miners show up there has got to be a consequence.
Dude, I've lost my implants long time ago.
Originally by: Keorm
Is ccp supposed to configure the servers to handle 200 ships in a system all doing different stuff in the same place?
Yes, thats what we can expect. On the testserver when we fought those nasty gang of dreads and all died like hell we still had less lag than we had in that battle.
Originally by: Keorm
Give CCP and yourself a break and go back to normal fleet actions or elite gank squads.
Just to keep me up to date, are you now that guy that tells other ppl how to play that game ? Is a 40 ppl gank squad not normal ?
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