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LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 21:16:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Raiz Nhell wrote:Nothing should be fair... Are you saying that your $15 a month is worth more than mine? no, we're saying the game simply shouldn't be fair. you have both purchased the same access with your $15. if you do not like that which you have purchased access to, perhaps you should stop purchasing access to it.
Except that one person in one timezone gets repawns at 6PM, as he's finished dinner and is sitting down to play EVE for several hours, while someone in another timezone gets repawns at 6AM, as he is heading out the door to work, and won't be on EVE for another 12 hours.
How would it be bad to have the downtime shift an hour a day? |

Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 21:42:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Kate stark wrote:Katran Luftschreck wrote:Raiz Nhell wrote:Nothing should be fair... Are you saying that your $15 a month is worth more than mine? no, we're saying the game simply shouldn't be fair. you have both purchased the same access with your $15. if you do not like that which you have purchased access to, perhaps you should stop purchasing access to it. Except that one person in one timezone gets repawns at 6PM, as he's finished dinner and is sitting down to play EVE for several hours, while someone in another timezone gets repawns at 6AM, as he is heading out the door to work, and won't be on EVE for another 12 hours. How would it be bad to have the downtime shift an hour a day?
because it serves no purpose. there isn't a shortage of asteroids, even in high sec. there's a shortage of people who can be bothered to find them, and moving downtime won't change that. |

Tiber Ibis
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 21:51:00 -
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Just the usual forum trolls scaring the normal people away. You people are idiots. The OP's suggestion was pretty reasonable. |

Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 21:52:00 -
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Tiber Ibis wrote:Just the usual forum trolls scaring the normal people away. You people are idiots. The OP's suggestion was pretty reasonable.
except, as i pointed out a page or two back; it doesn't actually solve the problem. if anything, it makes it easier for me to deny him access to ore. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
5739
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:02:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:ihcn wrote: You could figure out who is mining out your belts and declare war on them? This is a PVP game, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty
And if they are mining out the belts while he is at work? The belts spawn at 7:30AM USA Eastern time zone. 4:30AM USA Pacific TZ. A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone. How is declaring war on the Asians/ Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work? While I agree with the OP, I also understand why it is what it is. The rocks spawn/grow via a DB stored procedure that runs way SUPER faster when it has exclusive lock on the table because the server is down for 30 minutes. I think the resolution is what many have suggested... rolling downtimes. Instead of every 24 hours, make it every 23... or every 25. A week it is when I'm at work, then a week while I'm asleep, then a week in my prime play time.. I doubt CCP would do this though, because if anything goes wrong, they don't have the full staff in the office like they do now with downtime being mid-day their time zone.
I've underlined your error, downtime is not European primetime, unless it's the weekend. Downtime is 11am GMT, that's between 2 and 4 hours into the working day for Europeans, most of us are at work when the belts respawn. Yet we still find belts to mine when we finish work 5 or 6 hours later. Find someone else to blame.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1004
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:05:00 -
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Have faith people. The null sec zealot propaganda machine was in full gear in a 110 page threadnaught, crying about how poor industry is in null sec, and how high sec industry must be devastated to "balance" the game.
They have gone very quiet since then. The only logical reason for that is that they are satisfied with the upcoming changes to high sec industry in June. |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:07:00 -
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Damn aussies clearing out all the belts. Also this is an issue with sigs as well, though with the nature of exploration, its not as bad. Don't Vote for Malcanis. |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:08:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've underlined your error, downtime is not European primetime, unless it's the weekend. Downtime is 11am GMT, that's between 2 and 4 hours into the working day for Europeans, most of us are at work when the belts respawn. Yet we still find belts to mine when we finish work 5 or 6 hours later. Find someone else to blame.
So, all of Europe is on GMT?
When I look at a timezone map, I see Germany +1, Ukraine +2, Western Russia +3 or 4.
And even if it is 5-6 hours later, that is still better than 14-15 hours later, which is when I sit down to play EVE.
You should try that some time... like oh.. a third of the time.... |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:10:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Damn aussies clearing out all the belts. Also this is an issue with sigs as well, though with the nature of exploration, its not as bad.
And I've seen many a complaint from an Aussie that as soon as they get their PVP fleet formed up, it is downtime, and they have to try to drag everyone back online again. Really sucks for them for POS bash and such. |

LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:12:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Have faith people. The null sec zealot propaganda machine was in full gear in a 110 page threadnaught, crying about how poor industry is in null sec, and how high sec industry must be devastated to "balance" the game.
They have gone very quiet since then. The only logical reason for that is that they are satisfied with the upcoming changes to high sec industry in June.
There are not going to be significant high sec nerfs in June. CCP knows where the bread and butter.
HiSec subscribed accounts outnumber null sec like 5 to 1.
CCP is not going to P-O 80% of their customers no matter how vocal the 20% get. |

Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:13:00 -
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Rastavan Hinken wrote:You people miss the point of this post
I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards
Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system I live 4 jumps outside of a trade hub. I still don't have to go further than 1 system to mine(my system has 4 gates in it), that makes 5 systems one step from home. And no further than 2-3 jumps(further than that its not worth my time) to find a GRAV site. AND within 3 jumps of 3 different systems(even a low sec ice) with ice fields.
When I feel like mining I'm very choosy on the size of the roids I feel like mining. I have 2 main systems almost exclusivity.
If u wanna mine, you can't pin your self to one system. You gotta be flexible. I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1117
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:13:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:Damn aussies clearing out all the belts. Also this is an issue with sigs as well, though with the nature of exploration, its not as bad. And I've seen many a complaint from an Aussie that as soon as they get their PVP fleet formed up, it is downtime, and they have to try to drag everyone back online again. Really sucks for them for POS bash and such.
Trust me I know. Even though I'm a yank, my "playtime" hits right before DT.
Don't Vote for Malcanis. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Gordian Knot Holdings
5739
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:18:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: I've underlined your error, downtime is not European primetime, unless it's the weekend. Downtime is 11am GMT, that's between 2 and 4 hours into the working day for Europeans, most of us are at work when the belts respawn. Yet we still find belts to mine when we finish work 5 or 6 hours later. Find someone else to blame.
So, all of Europe is on GMT? When I look at a timezone map, I see Germany +1, Ukraine +2, Western Russia +3 or 4. And even if it is 5-6 hours later, that is still better than 14-15 hours later, which is when I sit down to play EVE. You should try that some time... like oh.. a third of the time....
Most of Europe only deviates from GMT by a couple of hours, hence the "between 2 & 4 hours into the working day" The term European generally refers to members of the European Union which is what many refer to as the EUTZ, I should have been clearer on that. I don't personally know anybody from Russia or the Ukraine, but I'm fairly sure they don't consider themselves European, despite being part of the continent.
I am Ohm of Borg, Resistance is Voltage/Current. |

Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:31:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:This is in the Forge. Right next door to "This is SPARTA!!!" I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |

Rastavan Hinken
Winter Peg
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:35:00 -
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SB Rico wrote:Having read what OP said I can see some merit in his suggestion, he simply says the belts should respawn once a day but to stagger each belt's respawn so the belts don't all respawn at once.
Sadly I suspect this would be impractical due to pressure on the server having to constantly calculate and respawn belts.
Thank you for your post and yes that is what I am talking about And you are right that it maybe a programing nightmare for CCP
Take care
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Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:40:00 -
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LHA Tarawa wrote:How would it be bad to have the downtime shift an hour a day? They want it consistent so they blow subscriber's minds at some random time of the day or night, thinking that the server crashed. Yes it would be helpful to SOME players if the down time rolled around clock.
And they dont want to be called in a 3am cause the server crashed on restart. Everyone is in the office during start up that way if there is a problem, hey we're here already.... Even hamsters get tired in the middle of the night. I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1608
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:41:00 -
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CCP has said they would like to remove downtime completely. If they did, what would they do about belts? http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:44:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:CCP has said they would like to remove downtime completely. If they did, what would they do about belts?
move all ore to grav sites, like 0.0 |

Kathern Aurilen
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Posted - 2013.02.15 22:49:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:Trust me I know. Even though I'm a yank, my "playtime" hits right before DT. My play time starts bout 3 hours before down time(4am my time). And I never had a problem getting my "ROID ON!" I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |

Rastavan Hinken
Winter Peg
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:03:00 -
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Moving from system to system to find belts is what we do Haveing more then one corp station with duplicate ships and jump clones is what we do Scanning down grav sites is also what we do And we do a lot of things that does not involve mining belts
So all your suggestions on what we should do we have done already
This topic is about an idea I had for belts and changing the times
So can we discuss this and leave out all the things most people do in the game already
Thank You Have a day
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Sentamon
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:06:00 -
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Its long past time to do away with static belts that refill at a set time.
New Roids should be there for a reason. ie exploding moons, previously undiscovered sites, wormholes to new systems, etc. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Rastavan Hinken
Winter Peg
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:15:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:Its long past time to do away with static belts that refill at a set time.
New Roids should be there for a reason. ie exploding moons, previously undiscovered sites, wormholes to new systems, etc.
It would be more fun to hunt down the belts it would put scanning skill to more use
And then with different sites they would have even more nasty rats in them
It would make mining even more interesting
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Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:21:00 -
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Rastavan Hinken wrote:Moving from system to system to find belts is what we do Haveing more then one corp station with duplicate ships and jump clones is what we do Scanning down grav sites is also what we do And we do a lot of things that does not involve mining belts
So all your suggestions on what we should do we have done already
This topic is about an idea I had for belts and changing the times
So can we discuss this and leave out all the things most people do in the game already
Thank You Have a day
well suggestions on "what we already do" is all there is left to talk about after it has been shown that your idea doesn't solve the problem. |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:29:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP has said they would like to remove downtime completely. If they did, what would they do about belts? move all ore to grav sites, like 0.0 0.0 has static belts. Or do you mean w-space?
Removing static belts makes it hard for the starting player to mine. How is a one day old player going to scan out a grav site? Even having the basic ores at anomalies (which only requires the built in scanner) would be a big roadblock to a new player.
I can see reduced static belts with added ones at anomalies and signatures. But I think the static ones will need to stay in the game. They could for example have just Veld and Scord, with sizes rather small so a strip miner user would gag at them and look for better. But a new player will still be able to make use of them.
Which means that if and when CCP removes downtime they will need to respawn during up time. If thats going to happen, lets have it happen sooner. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Rastavan Hinken
Winter Peg
1
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:31:00 -
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well suggestions on "what we already do" is all there is left to talk about after it has been shown that your idea doesn't solve the problem.[/quote]
I had a feeling that my suggestion would not fix the problem I wanted to see what other people could come up with I wanted to exchange ideas with other people There are people who have been in the game from the start they have seen the most I have been in the game a short time there is tons more for me to learn and understand That is why I made the post so I could learn more from other people in the game
My idea will not be the answer but the ideas and input from everyone will be the answer Coming up with better ideas as a group and making the game more fun is what I think it should be about
These our just my ideas at this time and reading what other people have to say about eve will make that change over time
This is a game like not other it changes with the input and ideas of the people who play the game
Thank you Have a Day
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Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:34:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Kate stark wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP has said they would like to remove downtime completely. If they did, what would they do about belts? move all ore to grav sites, like 0.0 0.0 has static belts. Or do you mean w-space? Removing static belts makes it hard for the starting player to mine. How is a one day old player going to scan out a grav site? Even having the basic ores at anomalies (which only requires the built in scanner) would be a big roadblock to a new player. I can see reduced static belts with added ones at anomalies and signatures. But I think the static ones will need to stay in the game. They could for example have just Veld and Scord, with sizes rather small so a strip miner user would gag at them and look for better. But a new player will still be able to make use of them. Which means that if and when CCP removes downtime they will need to respawn during up time. If thats going to happen, lets have it happen sooner.
no, i mean 0.0 grav sites.
can people honestly go and jump off a cliff with that "it'll make it hard for new players. no it damn well doesn't. i was scanning down null sec grav sites with nothing but astrometrics II and a heron. it doesn't make it harder at all, it takes like half an hour to train the minimum skills needed. how will a one day old player scan out a grav site? by taking 30 mins to train the skill. that's how. it's not a road block at all, it's people just don't want to put the effort in.
if you're not going to remove asteroid belts, why ask for suggestions on how to fix the issue, then complain when a fix is given to you? honestly. |

Rastavan Hinken
Winter Peg
1
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:35:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Kate stark wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP has said they would like to remove downtime completely. If they did, what would they do about belts? move all ore to grav sites, like 0.0 0.0 has static belts. Or do you mean w-space? Removing static belts makes it hard for the starting player to mine. How is a one day old player going to scan out a grav site? Even having the basic ores at anomalies (which only requires the built in scanner) would be a big roadblock to a new player. I can see reduced static belts with added ones at anomalies and signatures. But I think the static ones will need to stay in the game. They could for example have just Veld and Scord, with sizes rather small so a strip miner user would gag at them and look for better. But a new player will still be able to make use of them. Which means that if and when CCP removes downtime they will need to respawn during up time. If thats going to happen, lets have it happen sooner.
Yes It would be hard on new players maybe make the scan belts in systems security 7 and down there is most like an even better idea then this
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Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:35:00 -
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Rastavan Hinken wrote: I had a feeling that my suggestion would not fix the problem I wanted to see what other people could come up with
because there isn't a problem to fix. not being lazy is the solution. |

Kate stark
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:36:00 -
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Rastavan Hinken wrote:Yes It would be hard on new players
no, it wouldn't. |

Rastavan Hinken
Winter Peg
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Posted - 2013.02.15 23:44:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Rastavan Hinken wrote:Yes It would be hard on new players
no, it wouldn't.
Just wondering are you in favor of people having to scan down belts
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