Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

You came to the wrong neighborhood if you want "fair".

Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes

The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing
The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone

What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones

Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00
then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on
That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing
and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6


Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

If the system you're in is getting mined out, scout other systems. You'll eventually find one that no one mines in and YOU can be the guys who mine all the belts out.

And you are right there is nothing fair about eve
Does not mean I can not get this change to go thou

You people miss the point of this post

I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system

You people miss the point of this post

I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system

You could figure out who is mining out your belts and declare war on them? This is a PVP game, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty

So what's your proposed solution? Spawn more ore? That will just drive down the value of minerals.

No not to have more belts you need to read my post and get past the word fair

I just want the belts to respawn at different times of the day not just at one time

You people miss the point of this post

I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes

The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing
The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone

What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones

Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00
then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on
That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing
and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6


Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

So CCP should change the game so you don't have to jump out of system to go find more belts to mine?

I swear miners get lazier by the day.

Ever thought of getting a scan probe launcher and go find some grav sites to mine?

Eve is totally fair. The second we hit undock we have the same chances as anyone else that hit undock

You people miss the point of this post

I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system

You people miss the point of this post

1.I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
2.I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
3.I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

4.Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system

You obviously weren't told no enough as a child.

Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes

The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing
The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone

What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones

Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00
then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on
That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing
and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6


Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

EVE is decidedly not fair. What EVE is is a Level Playing Field.

Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes

The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing
The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone

What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones

Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00
then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on
That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing
and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6


Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00
then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on

new belt spawns, i warp in with my orca and multiple miners. i strip the belt clean in under an hour.
how does that help you if i've just stripped the only belt in the system that has any ore in it? all it does is make it easier for me to deny you the ore you want.

You people miss the point of this post

I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system

The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing
The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone

You could figure out who is mining out your belts and declare war on them? This is a PVP game, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty

So what's your proposed solution? Spawn more ore? That will just drive down the value of minerals.

A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone.

How is declaring war on the Asians/Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work?

Mmm, ore denial games.

Plenty of EU/ANZAC/Asian mercs available.

Or... he could move to another system.

Nothing should be fair...

The "another system" are also getting mined out too. It is getting very hard to find good belts in any system that has a station with a refinery, and is even getting hard to find next door to a system with a station with a refinery. orca jumps 2, 3 or more systems, when you could be filling it every half hour...

Are you saying that your $15 a month is worth more than mine?

To quote Mr. Sam Kinison: "Move where the food is!"

The "another system" are also getting mined out too. It is getting very hard to find good belts in any system that has a station with a refinery, and is even getting hard to find next door to a system with a station with a refinery. orca jumps 2, 3 or more systems, when you could be filling it every half hour...

no, we're saying the game simply shouldn't be fair. you have both purchased the same access with your $15. if you do not like that which you have purchased access to, perhaps you should stop purchasing access to it.

Except that one person in one timezone gets repawns at 6PM, as he's finished dinner and is sitting down to play EVE for several hours, while someone in another timezone gets repawns at 6AM, as he is heading out the door to work, and won't be on EVE for another 12 hours.



How would it be bad to have the downtime shift an hour a day?

Just the usual forum trolls scaring the normal people away. You people are idiots. The OP's suggestion was pretty reasonable.

And if they are mining out the belts while he is at work?

The belts spawn at 7:30AM USA Eastern time zone. 4:30AM USA Pacific TZ.

A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone.

How is declaring war on the Asians/Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work?


While I agree with the OP, I also understand why it is what it is. The rocks spawn/grow via a DB stored procedure that runs way SUPER faster when it has exclusive lock on the table because the server is down for 30 minutes.



I think the resolution is what many have suggested... rolling downtimes. Instead of every 24 hours, make it every 23... or every 25. A week it is when I'm at work, then a week while I'm asleep, then a week in my prime play time..

I doubt CCP would do this though, because if anything goes wrong, they don't have the full staff in the office like they do now with downtime being mid-day their time zone.

I've underlined your error, downtime is not European primetime, unless it's the weekend. Downtime is 11am GMT, that's between 2 and 4 hours into the working day for Europeans, most of us are at work when the belts respawn. Yet we still find belts to mine when we finish work 5 or 6 hours later. Find someone else to blame.

Damn aussies clearing out all the belts. Also this is an issue with sigs as well, though with the nature of exploration, its not as bad.

Have faith people.
The null sec zealot propaganda machine was in full gear in a 110 page threadnaught, crying about how poor industry is in null sec, and how high sec industry must be devastated to "balance" the game.

They have gone very quiet since then.
The only logical reason for that is that they are satisfied with the upcoming changes to high sec industry in June.

You people miss the point of this post

I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now
I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this
I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards

Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system

And I've seen many a complaint from an Aussie that as soon as they get their PVP fleet formed up, it is downtime, and they have to try to drag everyone back online again. Really sucks for them for POS bash and such.

So, all of Europe is on GMT?

When I look at a timezone map, I see Germany +1, Ukraine +2, Western Russia +3 or 4.

And even if it is 5-6 hours later, that is still better than 14-15 hours later, which is when I sit down to play EVE.

You should try that some time... like oh.. a third of the time....

This is in the Forge.

Having read what OP said I can see some merit in his suggestion, he simply says the belts should respawn once a day but to stagger each belt's respawn so the belts don't all respawn at once.

Sadly I suspect this would be impractical due to pressure on the server having to constantly calculate and respawn belts.

How would it be bad to have the downtime shift an hour a day?

CCP has said they would like to remove downtime completely. If they did, what would they do about belts?

Trust me I know. Even though I'm a yank, my "playtime" hits right before DT.

Its long past time to do away with static belts that refill at a set time.

New Roids should be there for a reason. ie exploding moons, previously undiscovered sites, wormholes to new systems, etc.

Moving from system to system to find belts is what we do
Haveing more then one corp station with duplicate ships and jump clones is what we do
Scanning down grav sites is also what we do
And we do a lot of things that does not involve mining belts


So all your suggestions on what we should do we have done already

This topic is about an idea I had for belts and changing the times

So can we discuss this and leave out all the things most people do in the game already

Thank You
Have a day

move all ore to grav sites, like 0.0

0.0 has static belts. Or do you mean w-space?

Removing static belts makes it hard for the starting player to mine. How is a one day old player going to scan out a grav site? Even having the basic ores at anomalies (which only requires the built in scanner) would be a big roadblock to a new player.

I can see reduced static belts with added ones at anomalies and signatures. But I think the static ones will need to stay in the game. They could for example have just Veld and Scord, with sizes rather small so a strip miner user would gag at them and look for better. But a new player will still be able to make use of them.

Which means that if and when CCP removes downtime they will need to respawn during up time. If thats going to happen, lets have it happen sooner.

0.0 has static belts. Or do you mean w-space?

Removing static belts makes it hard for the starting player to mine. How is a one day old player going to scan out a grav site? Even having the basic ores at anomalies (which only requires the built in scanner) would be a big roadblock to a new player.

I can see reduced static belts with added ones at anomalies and signatures. But I think the static ones will need to stay in the game. They could for example have just Veld and Scord, with sizes rather small so a strip miner user would gag at them and look for better. But a new player will still be able to make use of them.

Which means that if and when CCP removes downtime they will need to respawn during up time. If thats going to happen, lets have it happen sooner.

I had a feeling that my suggestion would not fix the problem
I wanted to see what other people could come up with

Yes It would be hard on new players

no, it wouldn't.

Just wondering are you in favor of people having to scan down belts

i'm indifferent to it.
however saying it makes it hard for new players is just plain wrong.

no, i mean 0.0 grav sites.

can people honestly go and jump off a cliff with that "it'll make it hard for new players. no it damn well doesn't. i was scanning down null sec grav sites with nothing but astrometrics II and a heron. it doesn't make it harder at all, it takes like half an hour to train the minimum skills needed. how will a one day old player scan out a grav site? by taking 30 mins to train the skill. that's how. it's not a road block at all, it's people just don't want to put the effort in.

if you're not going to remove asteroid belts, why ask for suggestions on how to fix the issue, then complain when a fix is given to you? honestly.

Hidden Belts and the advantages they bring (unlimited mining in one system) aren't free. Who's going to be paying the Sov Fee, iHub fee, and cost of placing the Indy upgrades in HS?

There might be some valid claim for there being an issue when every normal belt in every system in HS gets mined out before DT on a daily basis. But not until.

the cost, instead of sov fees, is the removal of static belts that respawn at DT.

and agreed.

That's not a cost. That's "we're replacing something with something better."

actually it's "we're moving something"

Hidden belts are better than normal ones in most ways. They're safer (because they have to be scanned down), have generally larger rocks, and they respawn immediately. The "cost" of having to scan down something once a day or so isn't really significant.

this is true. but what alternative do you have if you remove static belts that respawn at downtime?

moving regular belts to grav sites are the only way to remove the fact that asteroids respawn at DT in order to achieve CCP's idea of a downtimeless game.

i'm not saying i think it's a good idea, i'm just saying the solution fits the criteria of the "problem".

I didn't suggest removing them. Static belts that partially refill at DT are fine at the moment (I already described the situation where they could be considered not-fine).

If you want to be able to mine in a system which you call home at any hour of the day without worrying about other people wanting to mine there, you can keep it clear of interlopers yourself, pay someone to do that for you, or move somewhere where the mechanics allow you to invest in the system you live in.

In other words: Move to a less trafficked HS system, Get the other miners ganked, or go to Nullsec. There's no actual problem to solve here.

you didn't, but some one did and that's why i mentioned it.

i've already said that moving is the solution to the "problem".

Then we've just been agreeing right past each other, huh?

t'would seem so.
i wouldn't mind grav sites though. how many gankers will bother trying to scan you down?

HS has Grav sites. They just don't respawn in the same system repeatedly.

It also has mission mining, which does appear in (roughly) the same system repeatedly.

Both are fairly effective at keeping the gankers away.

Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

Nothing should be fair...

And has been stated, you should use a jump gate sometime, they lead to other systems with other belts and the rest of the universe.

I trained Yonis to have 6.71 standing (tax-free refining) at 14 npc corps so that I can mine virtually anywhere I choose and not have to worry about hauling ore. Yet, I still found myself in a situation similar to the OP.

My chosen system, a quiet lil 0.5 with usually 5-6 folks in it and only 5 largely unmined belts was invaded by a 100-man Russian corp recently. (I suppose they were Russian. Their bios were written in Russian and none of them apparently spoke English.) These guys came in, anchored 2 POS's in the system and sent orcas and hulks out every afternoon. By the time I got around to mining, rocks be scarce. They were also aggressive - all targeting the rock you're mining, bumping your barge, the works....

So what did I do? Move? I could have easily. But **** that. I wasn't going anywhere. I kept thinking that a system with only 5 belts couldn't sustain this huge corp indefinately anyway. What were they even doing here?

I decided to change MY playstyle.

For about 2 weeks, I set my alarm for 5am (downtime here) and my coffee was ready to go by the time the servers came back up. I multiboxed those 5 belts like a mutha - opting not to mine out the belts, only to go after the higher yield / higher value rocks. What I didn't empty, I left depleted. By the time those guys would log on 6 hrs later I was able to make those belts appear much less appealing.

And as expected, they pulled up stakes and left. So here I am, one guy, up against dozens of others, and I was able to defend my belts singlehandedly without firing a shot. So when I read something like the OP's statement, it seems incredulous. I sympathize with not being able to mine in your chosen system, but we don't need rolling downtimes, or magic belts.

Imo, all that is required is enough imagination and perseverance to outwit and outlast your competition.

YK

Imo, all that is required is enough imagination and perseverance to outwit and outlast your competition.

YK

Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes

The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing
The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone

What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones

Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00
then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on
That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing
and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6


Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time

Well Ruby, last month I was mining in a system with 17 belts and only 3 people in it. Some jerk rolls up on me in a Mack, sets course toward me, and puts all his mining lasers on the exact rock I was mining at the time. Since there were so many empty belts and even the one we were in was wide open, it got my goat enough that I put a 100 mill bounty on him sure. But it didn't accomplish anything. He didn't leave, I was still annoyed, and I was out 100 mill. So I'm not sure that's the route I'd take in the future. If I'm going to drop 100 mill, I'd rather pay someone to shoot him immediately than wait. But to answer your question, I'd assume yes, if I've bountied someone in this way, there must be others.

YK

I trained Yonis to have 6.71 standing (tax-free refining) at 14 npc corps so that I can mine virtually anywhere I choose and not have to worry about hauling ore. Yet, I still found myself in a situation similar to the OP.

My chosen system, a quiet lil 0.5 with usually 5-6 folks in it and only 5 largely unmined belts was invaded by a 100-man Russian corp recently. (I suppose they were Russian. Their bios were written in Russian and none of them apparently spoke English.) These guys came in, anchored 2 POS's in the system and sent orcas and hulks out every afternoon. By the time I got around to mining, rocks be scarce. They were also aggressive - all targeting the rock you're mining, bumping your barge, the works....

So what did I do? Move? I could have easily. But **** that. I wasn't going anywhere. I kept thinking that a system with only 5 belts couldn't sustain this huge corp indefinately anyway. What were they even doing here?

I decided to change MY playstyle.

For about 2 weeks, I set my alarm for 5am (downtime here) and my coffee was ready to go by the time the servers came back up. I multiboxed those 5 belts like a mutha - opting not to mine out the belts, only to go after the higher yield / higher value rocks. What I didn't empty, I left depleted. By the time those guys would log on 6 hrs later I was able to make those belts appear much less appealing.

And as expected, they pulled up stakes and left. So here I am, one guy, up against dozens of others, and I was able to defend my belts singlehandedly without firing a shot. So when I read something like the OP's statement, it seems incredulous. I sympathize with not being able to mine in your chosen system, but we don't need rolling downtimes, or magic belts.

Imo, all that is required is enough imagination and perseverance to outwit and outlast your competition.

YK

Well Ruby, last month I was mining in a system with 17 belts and only 3 people in it. Some jerk rolls up on me in a Mack, sets course toward me, and puts all his mining lasers on the exact rock I was mining at the time. Since there were so many empty belts and even the one we were in was wide open, it got my goat enough that I put a 100 mill bounty on him sure. But it didn't accomplish anything. He didn't leave, I was still annoyed, and I was out 100 mill. So I'm not sure that's the route I'd take in the future. If I'm going to drop 100 mill, I'd rather pay someone to shoot him immediately than wait. But to answer your question, I'd assume yes, if I've bountied someone in this way, there must be others.

YK