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Eugene Kerner TunDraGon 579	Posted - 2013.02.15 07:42:00 - [31] - Quote Rastavan Hinken wrote: Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00 then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6 Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time YOU WOULD RUIN ALL THE AFK MINERS YOU GRIEFER!!!111!11!! Seriously though, an idea I would back up. +1 "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
Arronicus Brave Newbies Inc. 191	Posted - 2013.02.15 08:57:00 - [32] - Quote Cover more systems. Being able to mine good minerals all day in one system, with endless amounts of them, is one of the benefits of 0.0 upgraded systems. If you want to be able to mine good minerals at any time of the day, join a 0.0 alliance. Homogenization is bad, Mkay.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 3822	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:01:00 - [33] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Rastavan Hinken wrote: Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time You came to the wrong neighborhood if you want "fair". Eve is totally fair. The second we hit undock we have the same chances as anyone else that hit undock EVE is decidedly not fair. What EVE is is a Level Playing Field. I find EvE starts fair for everyone. Then everyone makes their fortune or ruin. Wish RL was like that. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Kate stark 137	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:18:00 - [34] - Quote Rastavan Hinken wrote: Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00 then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6 Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time new belt spawns, i warp in with my orca and multiple miners. i strip the belt clean in under an hour. how does that help you if i've just stripped the only belt in the system that has any ore in it? all it does is make it easier for me to deny you the ore you want.
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 415	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:33:00 - [35] - Quote If only there were more systems with asteroid belts
Alice Saki Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships. 30207	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:33:00 - [36] - Quote Lots and lots Roids in Low/Null I lack any Moral Fiber :D
baltec1 Bat Country 5242	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:35:00 - [37] - Quote We need a cull.
Lors Dornick Perkone Caldari State 422	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:51:00 - [38] - Quote Rastavan Hinken wrote: Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00 then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on The current system doesn't allow for respawning of roids in active/loaded systems. Which is why it's done during DT. Changing this would certainly be nice (and removing that daily DT has been stated as a long time goal/dream by CCP). But it would take a lot of dev resources to fix, resources that are better used on other stuff. CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil.
Alavaria Fera GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3411	Posted - 2013.02.15 09:59:00 - [39] - Quote Kate stark wrote: Rastavan Hinken wrote: Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00 then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6 Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time new belt spawns, i warp in with my orca and multiple miners. i strip the belt clean in under an hour. how does that help you if i've just stripped the only belt in the system that has any ore in it? all it does is make it easier for me to deny you the ore you want. Mmm, ore denial games. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
TheBlueMonkey Don't Be a Menace That Red Alliance 415	Posted - 2013.02.15 10:13:00 - [40] - Quote Seriously, if you can't find a belt to mine in the 1090 high sec systems, maybe you should go somewhere else?
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers R O G U E 226	Posted - 2013.02.15 10:19:00 - [41] - Quote you can not expect a change to be made just to your favor because your system gets mined out alot , if you try to mine in a heavily populated system you should expect, this, REAL mining corps will move to where there is a good amount of ore to be mined that is not constantly mined out, useualy a very low populated system that has a large number of belts in useualy a 0.6 - 0.5 for the better quality ores , supply and demand man, you gotta work with it
Xanthe Isgar Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.02.15 10:21:00 - [42] - Quote I used to think minerbumper logic was seriously flawed. And then I found this thread. Self-entitled miners really do sound as silly as self-entitled PvPers.
Le Badass Zealots of Bob 57	Posted - 2013.02.15 11:03:00 - [43] - Quote Lol, in one thread, I see Baltec, Ruby and assorted other players crying salty tears because suicide gankers have to adapt and accept that Eve isn't always fair. In this thread, they patronize the OP and other miners for crying salty tears that Eve isn't always fair. Oh, you guys :D :D :D
Juno Valerii Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 138	Posted - 2013.02.15 11:07:00 - [44] - Quote Rastavan Hinken wrote: You people miss the point of this post I want to be where I am in the system I am in right now I could find any system where there is no one and mine it that is not the point of this I do not know when the respawn happens but the people who can come online at that time should not be the only ones to get the rewards Yes I can find a system to mine does not mean I wish to be in that system So you're lazy and want the game to conform to your selfish desires rather than actually learning to play. Please go play STO. Thanks.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2013.02.15 14:52:00 - [45] - Quote Rastavan Hinken wrote: The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone Since the removal of drone goo and meta 0, there has been a lot more high sec mining going on. I too have difficulty finding belts worth mining. I've had to buy a second set of ships (orca+3hulks) about a dozen jumps from my home system, simply because there are no good belts closer. And frankly, it is getting more and more sparse around that new second home these days. Everything is either multiple jumps from a station, mined out, or has rocks that won't last more than a single cycle of a single strip.... And that is moments after down time when they just respawned/grew. I mine for 2 hours, from 4:30-6:30 AM my time zone, then have to go to work. When I get back, the situation is much worse, with little left to mine, in decent belts, in reasonable range of a decent station with refinery... Mostly gone are the days when I could pull 3-4 orca loads from a belt. Now I'm lucky to hit a full load before the belt is gone.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 295	Posted - 2013.02.15 15:00:00 - [46] - Quote ihcn wrote: You could figure out who is mining out your belts and declare war on them? This is a PVP game, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty And if they are mining out the belts while he is at work? The belts spawn at 7:30AM USA Eastern time zone. 4:30AM USA Pacific TZ. A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone. How is declaring war on the Asians/Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work? While I agree with the OP, I also understand why it is what it is. The rocks spawn/grow via a DB stored procedure that runs way SUPER faster when it has exclusive lock on the table because the server is down for 30 minutes. I think the resolution is what many have suggested... rolling downtimes. Instead of every 24 hours, make it every 23... or every 25. A week it is when I'm at work, then a week while I'm asleep, then a week in my prime play time.. I doubt CCP would do this though, because if anything goes wrong, they don't have the full staff in the office like they do now with downtime being mid-day their time zone.
Ankles McGlashan Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.02.15 15:48:00 - [47] - Quote this doesn't matter as belts often don't fully respawn anyway and you have to wait several cycles before the asteroids are anything like full size. sometimes they barely seem to respawn at all. there are practically empty systems out there with belts that are barely ever touched, you just have to put in the hard work finding them. get a good one and you can pretty much tap it every day. if people figure this out then move on. plus you will minimise your chance of being ganked so can max out your yield. contract the minerals and hauling distance doesn't matter. you just need to do a bit of mission grind with the nearest station for standings for perfect refining.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 1607	Posted - 2013.02.15 18:45:00 - [48] - Quote FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: Rastavan Hinken wrote: And you are right there is nothing fair about eve Does not mean I can not get this change to go thou So what's your proposed solution? Spawn more ore? That will just drive down the value of minerals. 1) Have belt roids spawn and grow at random times all day, but at the same average rate as now. (Or if 2 and 3 below are done, at a reduced rate). 2) Have mission belts persist after the mission is turned in 3) Add some low end Grav sites. Edit: Ive actually flown from system to system, searching belt after belt for an hour or two before finding ore to mine. Its getting quite bad at times. And this is in Gallente and Amarr space, far from Jita. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2716	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:02:00 - [49] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone. How is declaring war on the Asians/Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work? Plenty of EU/ANZAC/Asian mercs available. Or... he could move to another system. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
Kate stark 145	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:02:00 - [50] - Quote Alavaria Fera wrote: Kate stark wrote: Rastavan Hinken wrote: Who do you talk to in this game if you want to see changes The corp I run does a lot of mining and it is getting to be a problem when you go out and try to mine and there is nothing The problem is the belts respawn on one time zone What I would like to see is the belts respawn on different time zones Ex if there is 12 belts in a system each belt in turn would respawn every two hours in this case belt 1 would respawn 12:00 then belt 2 would respawn at 2:00 belt 3 would respawn at 4:00 and so on That way everyone in different time zones would get a chance at a respawned belt and not have the whole field missing and if there are 6 belts in a system they would have a 4 hour respawn time belt 1 12:00 and then belt 2 at 4:00 and so on to belt 6 Mining should be fair to all not just the people who come online at the special time new belt spawns, i warp in with my orca and multiple miners. i strip the belt clean in under an hour. how does that help you if i've just stripped the only belt in the system that has any ore in it? all it does is make it easier for me to deny you the ore you want. Mmm, ore denial games. he with most hulks, wins.
Din Chao 178	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:14:00 - [51] - Quote Successful troll is successful.
LHA Tarawa Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 296	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:22:00 - [52] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: LHA Tarawa wrote: A lot of people have to get up , go to school, work, etc. They return 8 hours later, and the belts are gone. How is declaring war on the Asians/Eurpoeans that are getting respawn in their prime time, when he's not even online, going to stop them from mining the rocks while he's at work? Plenty of EU/ANZAC/Asian mercs available. Or... he could move to another system. The "another system" are also getting mined out too. It is getting very hard to find good belts in any system that has a station with a refinery, and is even getting hard to find next door to a system with a station with a refinery. orca jumps 2, 3 or more systems, when you could be filling it every half hour... The OPs point is the same point others have made on other topics. Down time always being the same time every day creates inherent advantages and disadvantages depending on where on the planet you live and what your work/school schedule is. A rolling downtime that happened every 23 or every 25 hours would be a simple way to resolve those inherent advantages and disadvantages based on where on earth you are. However, I also understand this means CCP would not be able to have a full staff on hand should anything go wrong during downtime. Then the question them becomes, how often do things "go wrong" during downtime. Seems to me like it is always back up in the schedueld half hour, if not much sooner, these days.
Katran Luftschreck Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps 895	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:33:00 - [53] - Quote Raiz Nhell wrote: Nothing should be fair... Are you saying that your $15 a month is worth more than mine? EvE Forum Bingo
Kate stark 145	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:34:00 - [54] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: The "another system" are also getting mined out too. It is getting very hard to find good belts in any system that has a station with a refinery, and is even getting hard to find next door to a system with a station with a refinery. orca jumps 2, 3 or more systems, when you could be filling it every half hour... complete **. i actually haven't done any mining today. let me go and investigate the belts in my mining system. first stop; my usual asteroid belt. let's see what's here. i see scordite, so nobody has been cherry picking for isk. looking at the length of the list on my overview none of the asteroids have been popped. i don't have a scanner on this ship, and it's unusual for the "regulars" to leave asteroids unpopped so i'm going to say that finding another system isn't hard at all. especially since this system is reasonably close to jita, and i can see the jita market orders from here, and even without "good" trade skills i can still remote trade with jita from this distance. did i also mention we have a refinery? once more, complete **.
Kate stark 145	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:35:00 - [55] - Quote Katran Luftschreck wrote: Raiz Nhell wrote: Nothing should be fair... Are you saying that your $15 a month is worth more than mine? no, we're saying the game simply shouldn't be fair. you have both purchased the same access with your $15. if you do not like that which you have purchased access too, perhaps you should stop purchasing access to it.
Ankles McGlashan Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:43:00 - [56] - Quote seriously it took me about an hour and half to find this system i just mined 60M of kernite out of and I will be skimming the +7K sized rocks out of it every day until I get company. and yeah, station refinery with 50% base next door. this is exactly what miners should be looking for. but don't look for it in retriever lol. get a cruiser and put a survey scanner on it.
Felicity Love STARKRAFT 258	Posted - 2013.02.15 19:44:00 - [57] - Quote Well, you have another option -- mine in missions. It requires a bit of grinding, but there are a few missions out there with some decent roids. Quite a few people use this "method" when it's the middle of the week and traditional asteroid belts are either mined out or infested with too many competitors. YMMV -- but sooner or later you'll have to make some effort. Proud Beta Tester for "Bumping Uglies for Dummies"
No Alibi Shadow Brokers 23	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:19:00 - [58] - Quote Doc Fury wrote: To quote Mr. Sam Kinison: "Move where the food is!" I like Sam... Anyway, look at corp recruitment in systems that fit the time zone you can play in. Belts respawn at downtime and it just depends on your TZ. I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my-áass is always on fire!
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2718	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:19:00 - [59] - Quote LHA Tarawa wrote: The "another system" are also getting mined out too. It is getting very hard to find good belts in any system that has a station with a refinery, and is even getting hard to find next door to a system with a station with a refinery. orca jumps 2, 3 or more systems, when you could be filling it every half hour... Bullshit. I just checked the belts in the .5 system where my indy alt lives. There's refining and manufacturing there. There are 15 belts. Top belt has plenty of ore, including 5% and 10% rocks. It's been 10hrs since downtime, and last night I took a glance a couple hours before DT and there were plenty of rocks. This is in the Forge. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody. "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon
No Alibi Shadow Brokers 23	Posted - 2013.02.15 20:30:00 - [60] - Quote So many rocks.... So little timezo...Oh! I fly by the seat of my pants, No wonder my-áass is always on fire!

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