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Lombar Hissst	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:01:00 - [1] I'm thinking of getting a good strong ship for pirating and or bounty hunting work. Oh these 4 ship types which would be the best: Cruiser Class Battle Crusier Class Heavy Assult Cruiser Interceptor or should i just get a BS any advice would be helpful
Arimas Talasko	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:07:00 - [2] If you're asking then rule out HACs. Go for interceptor. Supremacy Keepin it Real
Marget Drake	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:12:00 - [3] Edited by: Marget Drake on 25/07/2005 02:13:31 retartcted
Lombar Hissst	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Arimas Talasko If you're asking then rule out HACs. Go for interceptor. So an interceptor can handle it;s own agaisnt bigger ships 1 on 1?
Bosie	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:16:00 - [5] Thorax, great for low sec work against agent runners/miners/haulers. I scored more solo kills in my Rax when I was a rate than any other ship. Bosie. http://bosie.proboards40.com/ http://zeroimpact.co.uk/evemap
Liu Kaskakka	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:27:00 - [6] If you're looking for small prey and fun engagements, go for a thorax or an interceptor. If you want bigger prey, you need a BS or a HAC. And a BS is the cheaper and easier option.
Ander	Posted - 2005.07.25 02:47:00 - [7] Solo piracy: Big targets - use a gankagesetup BS. (warpstabs are for cowards ;) fit them if you can but try to avoid it) Smaller targets - use a thorax or cruiser setup to specificly take on smaller pray. Most likely your opponent will be setup for other duties. Group piracy: Interceptor - tackler / scram and keep the pray in place until your backup arrive. Not that fun vs battlecruisers fitted to take on small and fast stuff. Cruiser - Preferably jammer setups or the smaller-pray hunter. Battlecruiser - Can take on smaller pray and also be damage backup vs bigger pray. Battleships - The intimidator and the ship which will dish out the most damage. You should have backup already to keep the pray in place so a long-range battleship is fine. http://www.eve-pirate.com
Necrologic	Posted - 2005.07.25 03:38:00 - [8] This depends on alot of things. If you are gate ganking, you need a bs. If you are doing more belt piracy, do not use a bs, unless your idea of fun is never catching anything. If you are operating in .4-.1, use a thorax or an armor plated taranis, claw, or crusader (but it works best on claw). You'll need atleast level 4 skills across the boards to make a profit flying ceptors though, otherwise you'll just lose to many. If you are gonna be in 0.0, avoid flying a bs. The chances of you dying are just too high. If you wanna do 0.0, get buddies. 3-4 guys in ceptors and cruisers can do some deadly stuff. Think 2x ceptors, a rax, and a bb sort of thing. _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Teh Shaz	Posted - 2005.07.25 04:43:00 - [9] Well, as you are asking this question you are new to piracy. Gate ganking is a complete different story then "belt" piracy. The interceptor plays a critical role in this area, so i suggest you trying it out; as well as learning how to use the scanner if you already dont. Gotta love those pirates who mindlessly go from belt to belt ------------------- YAAAR!
infused	Posted - 2005.07.25 07:24:00 - [10] Originally by: Teh Shaz Well, as you are asking this question you are new to piracy. Gate ganking is a complete different story then "belt" piracy. The interceptor plays a critical role in this area, so i suggest you trying it out; as well as learning how to use the scanner if you already dont. Gotta love those pirates who mindlessly go from belt to belt Can you explain this scanner... I've never worked it out :S [World Domination] [Patch 3366-3538: Mirror Here]
Tragar	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:11:00 - [11] Cruiser Class - Thorax/Maller/Stabber Battle Crusier Class - Ferox/Prophecy Heavy Assult Cruiser - Zealot/Deimos/Vagabond Interceptor - Crow
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:15:00 - [12] Honestly, the Stabber always struck me as the perfect pirate ship...and the Vagabond...o...m...g... ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:19:00 - [13] cruiser: rax BC: they are crap, dont even bother HAC: deimos, zealot, vaga BS: blasterthron, raven, geddon, tempest inty: crow, crusader, ranis
Necrologic	Posted - 2005.07.25 08:33:00 - [14] Claw is the best solo belt piracy ceptor, followed by taranis and crusader. Crow is probably the worst (except for raptor and ares). _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
R31D	Posted - 2005.07.25 11:00:00 - [15] To Infused: From Parmizan's pirate guide: K for the scanning part u generally wanna find some1 at a gate or a belt, most likely the belt in this case. Open up ur scanner and set ur scan range to 10,000,000km. U will find most belts are maximum of this from a planet so will cover u being able to scan a belt effectively. Next set ur radius to 30 degrees as u want to accurately scan a belt 1 at a time and picking up item from 2 belts isnt handy. To align the scanner on screen for scanning a particular belt use the onscreen camera and position it so ur ship and the belt(upside down triangle) u want to scan are in alignment. After u have completed this start ur scan and u will get a list of whats in the belt. Set the fliter to show ascending "Type" and it will be easy to c wot ships (player and npc) are in the belt. After that move in and go to work if u find a suitable target. Rinse and repeat this process with all belts to find targets. Tip: Rule of thumb is miners in low sec use bookmarks for a planet to instadock and can use them from a belt of that planet. So u might want to start at a planet that has lots of belts to scan. Chances are a pilot uses the same belts of a planet to mine, have secure cans and such and cycles through every day. Free bumpage for all
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.07.25 11:21:00 - [16] the scanner guide may be a little out of dat after the new patch: what i do is narrow my prey down by direction using the overview settings, and then once i roughly have them add asteroid belts to overview, and scan what belts they could be at. remove them from overview before you go into combat. ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
JoCool	Posted - 2005.07.25 11:24:00 - [17] There might be no better ship to ransom stuff out there than a Dominix with Nosferatus, smartbombs and a heavy tank.
Kaleeb	Posted - 2005.07.25 17:22:00 - [18] For belt piracy also try a blackbird setup for jamming. Although rax is just plain fun (stupid long HAC training )
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.26 01:26:00 - [19] The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.07.26 01:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Shin Ra The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. Are you crazy? I wouldnt call any BS the ultimate pirate ship. Too slooow and easy to catch. Not to mention jam because 'every pirate flies a Raven'. ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Necrologic	Posted - 2005.07.26 01:44:00 - [21] Originally by: Shin Ra The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. I think we all know the burn eden raven setups, and it's us laughing at you. _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.26 01:49:00 - [22] Originally by: Shin Ra The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. 6x Siege Launchers 2x NOS 4x damps, 2x sensor boosters... 5x WARP CORE STABS?! -- Proud member of the [23]. Want your POS to make money? Call me up. I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50m a day.
Lodhi	Posted - 2005.07.26 03:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Tragar Cruiser Class - Thorax/Maller/Stabber Battle Crusier Class - Ferox/Prophecy Heavy Assult Cruiser - Zealot/Deimos/Vagabond Interceptor - Crow Why is the stabber so good, they go down quicker then a mining fitted osprey ffs
Teh Shaz	Posted - 2005.07.26 05:08:00 - [24] Quote: Why is the stabber so good, they go down quicker then a mining fitted osprey ffs You try hitting a stabber fitting with an AB orbiting you. They are very fast and can get a BS busy for quite some time. ------------------- YAAAR!
Hanns	Posted - 2005.07.26 05:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shin Ra The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. 6x Siege Launchers 2x NOS 4x damps, 2x sensor boosters... 5x WARP CORE STABS?! Burn eden setup.
Captin Biltmore	Posted - 2005.07.26 05:42:00 - [26] Originally by: Shin Ra The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. You guys have to feel like complete terds when EVERYONE in the eve galaxy knows about Burn Eden and WCS and laughs their asses off when u jump in system.
Sobeseki Pawi	Posted - 2005.07.26 05:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Lodhi Originally by: Tragar Cruiser Class - Thorax/Maller/Stabber Battle Crusier Class - Ferox/Prophecy Heavy Assult Cruiser - Zealot/Deimos/Vagabond Interceptor - Crow Why is the stabber so good, they go down quicker then a mining fitted osprey ffs To what exactly? ~Sobe Captain Cutie, Razor's Kiss Combat Pilot and looking for a corp? Check AGSYN out here
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.26 08:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Captin Biltmore Originally by: Shin Ra The raven is the be all, and end all, of piracy ships. If you can figure out how to set it up, your laughing at everyone else here. You guys have to feel like complete terds when EVERYONE in the eve galaxy knows about Burn Eden and WCS and laughs their asses off when u jump in system. Yeah its pretty funny actuallly. There all like "haha, isn't that guy in burn eden?. Oh ho ho, hes gonna be in a stabbed raven. Hehe, what a loser, lets get 5 of our friends to go refit, then smack him when he doesnt fight. te hehe." Quoted from Foresaken Empire TS. All rights reserved. ----------------------------------------- Heinky> Dont mix eve with rl it can be bad for your health
Lodhi	Posted - 2005.07.26 16:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Teh Shaz Quote: Why is the stabber so good, they go down quicker then a mining fitted osprey ffs You try hitting a stabber fitting with an AB orbiting you. They are very fast and can get a BS busy for quite some time. Webby, never leave home without it :) So again why is the stabber so good
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.07.26 16:15:00 - [30] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 26/07/2005 16:18:09 If you're fitting to counter ships. You will have more chance of an successful victory. So yes, fitting to counter a close range cruiser as the stabber will = win. That doesn't make the ship usless for piracy though. Piracy isn't pvp where you have to focus on real pvp tactics that the opponent might have. Well on the same hand you shouldn't under estimate your opponent. So again why is the stabber good? Because it brings speed, agility, and damage output to the table. Where most cruisers don't... I use to stand by the Claw as the ultimate piracy ship for belt piracy. Now the Jaguar is my first choice. It's not always about the fastest speed or the best damage output. It's about the stock abilites of the ships and the most utility. Jaguar has good stock tankage, good speed, and 3 mid slots. So would I bring a Claw in a mining op that has some defense? No, drones would maul me. Jaguar on the other hand, be able to tank stock and still complete the task. Horriable Mods + Dumb Pilots + 20 People = Forsaken Empire Setup. cheers for Burn Eden -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
microwave	Posted - 2005.07.26 17:57:00 - [31] Edited by: microwave on 26/07/2005 17:58:13 I was in Burn Eden long before the smack talkers arrived, so I will leave it at that. What I do find funny is that people ridacule setups of small corps that fight againts terrible odds. If someone was fighting 5-1 or 10-1 odds does it make sense to show up with the same setups? If you are outnumbered you would be stupid to engage without a way of defending yourself. You can say whatever you will about the smack talking, I will agree with you there but that setup in its day killed many, many ships terribley outnumbered. The Raven is a great ship. Skills are important.
Marruni	Posted - 2005.07.26 22:16:00 - [32] Warp Core Stabs are in the game for a reason , why not use them ?
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2005.07.26 22:42:00 - [33] Try a thorax: cheap, quickly trained, good fun - Gob (also known as Admiral Goberius)
Lodhi	Posted - 2005.07.26 23:06:00 - [34] Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 26/07/2005 16:18:09 If you're fitting to counter ships. You will have more chance of an successful victory. So yes, fitting to counter a close range cruiser as the stabber will = win. That doesn't make the ship usless for piracy though. Piracy isn't pvp where you have to focus on real pvp tactics that the opponent might have. Well on the same hand you shouldn't under estimate your opponent. So again why is the stabber good? Because it brings speed, agility, and damage output to the table. Where most cruisers don't... I use to stand by the Claw as the ultimate piracy ship for belt piracy. Now the Jaguar is my first choice. It's not always about the fastest speed or the best damage output. It's about the stock abilites of the ships and the most utility. Jaguar has good stock tankage, good speed, and 3 mid slots. So would I bring a Claw in a mining op that has some defense? No, drones would maul me. Jaguar on the other hand, be able to tank stock and still complete the task. Horriable Mods + Dumb Pilots + 20 People = Forsaken Empire Setup. cheers for Burn Eden Me fitting a webber is to make sure that the person stay at place, not to counter any specific ship tbh. Be it a shuttle or bs, i still use my webby on them. Webbed target = will stay at ure desired range = more dmg to target = easier to kill/ransom or what u now desire to do
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.29 02:29:00 - [35] Its just goes to show how rarely ppl kill us, if after all this time, nobody knows our actualy setups. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
Necrologic	Posted - 2005.07.29 03:17:00 - [36] Originally by: microwave Edited by: microwave on 26/07/2005 17:58:13 I was in Burn Eden long before the smack talkers arrived, so I will leave it at that. What I do find funny is that people ridacule setups of small corps that fight againts terrible odds. If someone was fighting 5-1 or 10-1 odds does it make sense to show up with the same setups? If you are outnumbered you would be stupid to engage without a way of defending yourself. You can say whatever you will about the smack talking, I will agree with you there but that setup in its day killed many, many ships terribley outnumbered. The Raven is a great ship. Skills are important. No offense meant to anybody, but plenty of us manage the odds just fine without using wcs. _______________________________________________________ Et nunc, reges, intelligite, erudimini, qui judicati terram.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.29 05:07:00 - [37] In all the fights I've ever faught in a raven, I can honestly say that if I had dmg mods instead of stabs I would have killed 1 more batlteship and would have died about 4 more times. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
Beringe	Posted - 2005.07.29 05:44:00 - [38] Originally by: Shin Ra In all the fights I've ever faught in a raven, I can honestly say that if I had dmg mods instead of stabs I would have killed 1 more batlteship and would have died about 4 more times. Which is probably why people are frustrated at you guys. Most of us have been there, trying to hunt down a small, elusive team of pirates without pinning them down. Of course, that's not the real reason why everyone is pouring all this hate onto BE's posts on the forum. That's more about the whole attitude thing (which has been improving, lately...whatever happened to FragM?). ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
terra helll	Posted - 2005.07.29 06:45:00 - [39] "Which is probably why people are frustrated at you guys. Most of us have been there, trying to hunt down a small, elusive team of pirates without pinning them down." scince when did "PIRATES" play fair? seince when did a pirate have to say "damb were outmumberd lets stay and get reamed in that lovly place cause well there playing fairly" pfft pirates dont ahve to fight fair they can do what they want use what eq they want to pwn you and then walk out cause they are PIRATES
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2005.07.29 07:24:00 - [40] Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 29/07/2005 07:24:26 Originally by: terra helll "Which is probably why people are frustrated at you guys. Most of us have been there, trying to hunt down a small, elusive team of pirates without pinning them down." scince when did "PIRATES" play fair? seince when did a pirate have to say "damb were outmumberd lets stay and get reamed in that lovly place cause well there playing fairly" pfft pirates dont ahve to fight fair they can do what they want use what eq they want to pwn you and then walk out cause they are PIRATES I wouldn't fight fair. Not like anyone else does in EVE anymore anyways. It's all about the size and not so much about the skill. Think that's why I've given up trying to fly in 0.0. Might as well strap WCS's on, or some fruits are going to pillage me 5 on 1. Then actually brag about it. Prob even worse, fraps it and call it a day. So to Burn Eden, I don't know you to well. I've faught against some of your members. I understand why you would :) -Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.29 08:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: Shin Ra In all the fights I've ever faught in a raven, I can honestly say that if I had dmg mods instead of stabs I would have killed 1 more batlteship and would have died about 4 more times. Which is probably why people are frustrated at you guys. Most of us have been there, trying to hunt down a small, elusive team of pirates without pinning them down. Of course, that's not the real reason why everyone is pouring all this hate onto BE's posts on the forum. That's more about the whole attitude thing (which has been improving, lately...whatever happened to FragM?). You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. We welcome open hatred and do our best to make as many enemies as possible. Frag's account is banned, I won't go into that, suffice to say he will make a return one day. In the mean time, I'm doing my best to stir up trouble, but I'm on vacation so its prooving a little difficult. Furthermore, Stetu, or Stetu Smacker as he was more commonly known have been converted to WoW. Hopefully one day he will return too. The rest of the crew has been causing trouble up north under a different corp name so ppl will actually fight us. I'm afraid we are a vicitim of our own success. Everyone hates us, and everyone says we suck, yet everyone also agrees that there is nobody in this game the would want to fight less than us. Anyway, my point is that the ew raven is the best pirate ship. No carebear has ever even locked me, let alone shoot at me. No other ship enjoys this beauty with the ability to defeat a well tanked apoc. Remember, the most devestating ability of the Raven is to choose the type of damage you do. Good luck fighting npcers in Stain/Querious if your in an amarr ship. Damage mods don't do you any good when 4 gankageddons are shooting you close range, stabs do. The ability to choose damage type is a far greater benefit than having 5 caldari navy ballistic controls. At the end of the day, we smack you cause we beat you, we beat you cause we are better than you - statement applies to most of Eve. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
emptydude	Posted - 2005.07.29 09:59:00 - [42] if your belt pirating, go for a taranis with tech 2 blasters. Can rip through battlecruisers solo pretty easily, and cruisers just drop like flies -------- wannabe gangsta
Beringe	Posted - 2005.07.29 21:24:00 - [43] Originally by: terra helll scince when did "PIRATES" play fair? seince when did a pirate have to say "damb were outmumberd lets stay and get reamed in that lovly place cause well there playing fairly" pfft pirates dont ahve to fight fair they can do what they want use what eq they want to pwn you and then walk out cause they are PIRATES I didn't suggest that they should. Engage reading comprehension before using forums, please. In essence, I just pointed out that the only thing people like less than a sore loser is a smart-ass. ------------------------------------------- "My main griveance with the Caldari state was that once I had finished my work for them, they wanted me dead." "No, it's none of your business."
Helmuth Halbstein	Posted - 2005.07.29 23:23:00 - [44] in gang inty not in gang assault frigate (maybe in pair) solo HAC but not versatile to catch small prey. "Helmuth Halbstein Caldari Gorilla" Cogito Ergo Zoom
microwave	Posted - 2005.07.30 06:46:00 - [45] Quote: No offense meant to anybody, but plenty of us manage the odds just fine without using wcs. I flew with you guys and I wasnt impressed either but no offense :)~ To each there own. And on top of that I would guarantee you guys have lost more ships. Simple answer is if you are outnumbered and need to get away you can.
Velicita	Posted - 2005.07.30 15:06:00 - [46] Edited by: Velicita on 30/07/2005 15:06:23 nvm
CitzNo 097864	Posted - 2005.07.30 17:14:00 - [47] The answer is the thrasher of course, I've taken out a Brutix with mine.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2005.07.30 17:23:00 - [48] The only reason people bring overwhelming odds to fight Burn eden is because they need that amount of people to actually hold one down... Funny i havnt seen many post missile patch... ------------------ Run and fall or stand in line, in the end what's your's is mine
Shin Ra	Posted - 2005.07.31 01:28:00 - [49] Originally by: ParMizaN Funny i havnt seen many post missile patch... Consider yourself extremly lucky then. ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's
Sirkill	Posted - 2005.07.31 10:11:00 - [50] Originally by: CitzNo 097864 The answer is the thrasher of course, I've taken out a Brutix with mine. You can probably take down brutix with an ibis

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