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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:37:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote: Advenus Classem ... is authorized to work with Caldari pilots for both cultural and strategic exchanges.
Translation: "We want to convert you to our faith and command your fleets as is our divine right."
The Caldari don't need the Amarr: we should be forging diplomatic ties elsewhere, among the civilisations who don't regard us as children in need of an education.
An in-character blog and a video:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
914
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Posted - 2013.02.20 12:04:00 -
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Oh yes. She's extremely skilled at not giving offense.
The thing that needs to be remembered is that the Amarr do want to convert us. It's kind of the stated purpose of the Empire, and the last time I checked PIE were Imperial loyalists. The objective of Amarr is to become the monoreligion, the one faith system of all of humanity in New Eden. And they're not stupid about pursuing that objective - if they think they can do it through flattery, inoffensiveness, diplomacy and pleasantries, you can bet your beard they will try.
They're the most dangerous kind of enemy, Tuulinen-haan - the one who is convincingly masquerading as a friend.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
915
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Posted - 2013.02.20 12:54:00 -
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It's none of my business what individual persons choose to believe. It is my business, as it is the business of all Caldari, to worry about foreign interference in Caldari affairs.
If somebody's willing to be converted to Amarr, good luck to them. I think they're crazy, but it's their mind to waste as they see fit. But the Empire has not historically been satisfied with the table scraps. They'll take small liberties, then bigger ones. They'll push, and wheedle, and finagle, and insinuate, until you've gone from an outreach program picking at the desperate few who'd rather pray to another culture's god than try to fix their own problems themselves, to the point where the empire has its claws in enough to start demanding more.
I'm not advocating a ban, or censorship. I'm advocating putting the other argument out there, the powerful one that Amarr is a doctrine that is antithetical to the meritocratic ideals of the State. I can't and shouldn't make people's decisions for them - that's slavery. But I'll damn well fight tooth and nail to oppose whatever campaign the Amarr or anybody affiliated with them might set up. I'll be damned if I'll live to see the meritocratic ideals of the State supplanted by mindlessly kowtowing to the "chosen" of Dam-Torsad.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
915
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Posted - 2013.02.20 12:57:00 -
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Indeed we have. I've made the exact same arguments against that "friendship" too. Don't try and paint me as being inconsistent and opportunistic, pilot.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
915
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:14:00 -
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Quote:If you wish the consumer to choose your drink, then you should promote your drink better.
That is in fact exactly what I am doing - stepping up the marketing campaign.
Review what I have said - I have not called for you to be forbidden from entering the State, or advocated that this program of yours should be illegal. All I have done is expressed my views on what it is you really want, and where I think it leads. As I said - I have no authority, nor the right, to attempt to control what another person chooses to think and believe. Doing so constitutes slavery, to which I am absolutely opposed. People are free to frak up in my philosophy - and I am free to make it known that, in my view, converting to Amarr constitutes a massive frak-up.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
916
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:19:00 -
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"I like you. When I rule the universe and all the worlds of creation bow to my throne, you will be spared until the very last"?
You realise that being saved for last still constitutes being a target, yes? I dislike being a target.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
916
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:27:00 -
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I appreciate your honesty, Sepherim.
Quote:The least we can do is return the favour, and allow our friends to reap the benefits that come with unrestricted trade and cultural blurring in our border regions.
You realise that the entire point of the State's founding was that it was created in order to preserve Caldari ideals and culture against exactly that "blurring" effect?
I'm all for looking at the alternative point of view and scavenging the good, compatible bits so as to improve your own philosophy, but permitting "cultural blurring" goes against the very reason the State exists. If there's anything positive to be salvaged from the Amarr philosophy, we don't need to sacrifice our own mission to learn it.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
917
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:51:00 -
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This is not fostering of mutual respect and understanding - this is scouting. As Sepherim acknowledged above, the Empire does not respect the State, but simply views us as being sufficiently compliant to be saved for last.
They do not respect us, we are under no obligation to respect them, nor their religion.
I understand social interfacing perfectly well - come on, my life for the last four or five years has been living in other cultures for the sake of learning and respecting. My agenda for being in the Republic these last twenty-two months has been to learm, and to determine which bits of Minmatar philosophy and lifestyle the Caldari can learn from. That is respect. I am here to be educated, not to educate in turn.
This outreach program of the Amarr's is... unhumble. It implicitly says "You have something to learn from us." If Amarrians want to come live in the State for a bit, watch, and go home with something to think about, that's excellent. If Caldari wish to go live in the Empire for a while and sample their outlook then that is not only something I applaud, it's something I've done.
If pilots wish to enter a "social interface zone" then the tools are already in place for them to do so on their own initiative. This program of PIE's is a propaganda engine, not an honest avenue for cross-cultural understanding.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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