Before its asked, AVCL's opinion about the current issue within the state, and what side we stand on...

"No official comment"

AVCL's goals is to make friends with the state, not dictate its internal affairs.

Interesting to say the least. Until Pie accepts Gallente and Minimatar pilots, Their will be those that will say this is nothing but a PR job...

It is a good first step.

M.

Advenus Classem ... is authorized to work with Caldari pilots for both cultural and strategic exchanges.

Oh yes. She's extremely skilled at not giving offense.

The thing that needs to be remembered is that the Amarr do want to convert us. It's kind of the stated purpose of the Empire, and the last time I checked PIE were Imperial loyalists. The objective of Amarr is to become the monoreligion, the one faith system of all of humanity in New Eden. And they're not stupid about pursuing that objective - if they think they can do it through flattery, inoffensiveness, diplomacy, pleasantries and outright lies, you can bet your beard they will try.

You watch, the oh-so-sincere declarations of wounded integrity will inevitably follow what I'm saying here. The words "We have nothing but respect for the Caldari people" in the mouth of an Amarr loyalist is a smooth deception. Make no mistake - to them, we're still heathens. It's just that we're heathens they feel safe enough using their subtler, slower tools on. They're the most dangerous kind of enemy, Tuulinen-haan - the one who is convincingly masquerading as a friend.

Am I accusing pilot Goldcore of knowingly spreading falsehoods? No, of course not. I'm sure she's perfectly sincere. The most convincing lies are the ones where the person disseminating them honestly believes they are the truth.

One question, will you be providing a cultural exchange channel or venue to sit alongside this venture - to allow those of us with commitments that restrict us from participating in this programme to visit, discuss and grow in tandem with your efforts? I would personally appreciate the chance to extend my understanding of the Amarr beyond an aesthetic appreciation for your cities and historical sites.

If you wish the consumer to choose your drink, then you should promote your drink better.

Translation: "We want to convert you to our faith and command your fleets as is our divine right."

The Caldari don't need the Amarr: we should be forging diplomatic ties elsewhere, among the civilisations who don't regard us as children in need of an education.

I'm all in favour of closer ties with the Republic, in fact.

The least we can do is return the favour, and allow our friends to reap the benefits that come with unrestricted trade and cultural blurring in our border regions.

You realise that the entire point of the State's founding was that it was created in order to preserve Caldari ideals and culture against exactly that "blurring" effect?

I appreciate your honesty, Sepherim.

It is my personal belief that the alliance between the State and the Empire should remain purely economic and military in nature. I see no profit, in either societal or financial terms, from any cultural exchange of this sort.

I suppose I wish everyone involved the best of luck, regardless, though.

It's not always about the profit Gwen. Sometimes the intrinsic value of having a friend from a totally different culture, sitting down, and having a beer over a good conversation is worth more than a billion isk contractual agreement.

...Profit as in, "Gain", sir. My apologies if I was unclear.

It's none of my business what individual persons choose to believe. It is my business, as it is the business of all Caldari, to worry about foreign interference in Caldari affairs.

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I'll be damned if I'll live to see the meritocratic ideals of the State supplanted by mindlessly kowtowing to the "chosen" of Dam-Torsad.

To be honest, there is a great deal of strategic utility to be gained from Empire and State pilots learning to fly together. At present I hardly ever see golden ships in Black Rise and I have never felt a pull to travel out to aid the Amarr in their fight. If we are truly allies, more of that sort of thing should be occuring, no?

"I like you. When I rule the universe and all the worlds of creation bow to my throne, you will be spared until the very last"?

You realize that being saved for last still constitutes being a target, yes? I dislike being a target.

You Caldari should listen to Stitcher. The slavers are basically saying, "We like you, so, we'll kill you last." In the end you're just as dead.

Mrs Rella,

Respectfully, this is a bit short sighted given CONCORD and the Amarr Empire have both officially forbid and denounced (respectively) the taking of new slaves outside the Empire and the Amarr Empress freed close to a billion of the oldest generation of slaves within the last few years. The last overtly hostile action the Empire took towards another foreign power was when they invaded the Jovian Empire in 2316 AD, while its still in living memory when the Minmatar Elders launched an invasion of Empire, Ammatar and even CONCORD sovereignty and killed thousands of people while in the case of CONCORD, murdered innocent representatives from every race and nation in New Eden in violation of Cluster wide law.

You shouldn't let hate and prejudice blind you from thinking objectively. The Caldari have always successfully fended off anything they declared a violation of their culture and if this agreement begins to turn sour they will do it again. I myself welcome such an initiative and hope to see stronger ties created between the Amarr Empire, its constituents and the Caldari State.

As long as the Empire's stated goal is to forcefully convert all humanity to their religion and culture via the "reclaiming" (and Sarum announced a new "reclaiming" at the same time she gained power), then I think all peoples of the cluster have something to be concerned with whether an ally of the Empire or not.

The stated goal is to reunite all humanity in a fullfilling and harmonious relationship with the one divine source. That is the essence of the Reclaiming. Whether that necessitates and involves force or not is really up to the situation.

Mrs? I seem to have suddenly gained a spouse that I'm totally unaware of!

As long as the Empire's stated goal is to forcefully convert all humanity to their religion and culture via the "reclaiming" (and Sarum announced a new "reclaiming" at the same time she gained power), then I think all peoples of the cluster have something to be concerned with whether an ally of the Empire or not.

Let's not play the moral equivalence game; the Elders did what they did in order to preserve the last of a people the Amarr tried to exterminate centuries ago. It was a necessary evil. I'd not compare that to what the Amarr have perpetrated upon the cluster since they emerged from the dark ages at the behest of their dusty religious books.

P.S. I'm quite aware that not all imperials hold slaves but, if you support the Empire and its goals you're just as complicit in my opinion.

Let's not play the moral equivalence game; the Elders did what they did in order to preserve the last of a people the Amarr tried to exterminate centuries ago.

I submit that humanity has never been unified and likely never will be because of the fact that we're humans and have free will. If your goal is this unification (by force, if your rule is not accepted) then, I see absolutely no difference between your people and Kuvakei's Nation. Remember that he also wants to unite all mankind under his vision of utopia.