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Equin	Posted - 2005.07.26 19:13:00 - [1] Our corp has bought one of these today. Here is a screenshot in which you can find some info: We are currently improving the BPO, so if you'd like to know what an improved version would look like, contact us in a few weeks :) At the moment we're trying to work together with several corporations out in 0.0 to get an outpost built. Securing systems that have rare ores and juicy NPCs in them, mining minerals, hauling moon raws, maintaining POS's and sorting out politics are things we deal with every day. We're still looking for new partners that are interested in joining our little endeavour - send me an EVEmail if you'd like to get in contact. ------------- Faex is currently recruiting. If you are interested in joining, drop me a line.
Nova Beta	Posted - 2005.07.26 19:31:00 - [2] thx Equin, we would like to see other outpost bpo infos, ccp didnot add info to database yet
RedClaws	Posted - 2005.07.26 19:31:00 - [3] i was expecting to find the requirements to build them to be 200mil units of metal scraps ;)
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.07.26 19:49:00 - [4] is the blue print a bpo or a bpc? I see alot of people buying these things for what will probably be a 1 or 2 use item it makes no sense for it to be a bpo. lets look at the economics here, proabaly 30 billion worth of materials to build the station, plus you need a freighter to haul it out to where its going to be deployed. This seems like alot of work, I am however interested in seeing some new stations go up in mineral rich areas that players will be able to exploit that are hard to exploit now due to hauling problems. There are a few systems in Geminate I would like to see some people put up some of these outposts, but I am not going to be spending this type of money myself to do it. Zandramus S.A.S
Equin	Posted - 2005.07.26 19:54:00 - [5] Building an outpost should be a joint venture, not something one person or even one corp does. And yeah, let's hope these outposts make 0.0 more interesting and offer some better comfort :) ------------- We are currently recruiting. If you are interested in joining, drop me a line.
sliver 0xD	Posted - 2005.07.26 22:20:00 - [6] Edited by: sliver 0xD on 26/07/2005 22:24:01 about how many man hour do u think a outpost will cost ? ( its insane but i love it :) ) can i get a bpc ?? *edit : outpos : u lose ur pos to dread and then ur outpost is undefended :P ( pow 30bil gone :P ), spend ur isk on 300 bs's and go shoot a station :P a blackhole is, where god divided by zero.
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2005.07.27 08:13:00 - [7] In reply to silver - Longer then you are going to play this game.
Vaaliant	Posted - 2005.07.27 10:41:00 - [8] That plutonium is gonna be a real pain in the arse to get a hold of. I'd be interested in hearing what kinda services you'll be needing in terms of logistics :)
GuffenCom	Posted - 2005.07.27 11:53:00 - [9] The outpost cant go POP! Only be taken over
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.07.27 14:48:00 - [10] Hauling 387m trit is going to be a big pain in the arse, even in an iteron 5 with named expanders your looking at roughly 130 round trips just for the trit. Im thinking you gotta want one of these really bad to build it. Zandramus S.A.S
Nova Beta	Posted - 2005.07.27 15:28:00 - [11] Edited by: Nova Beta on 27/07/2005 15:30:52 Get a freighter and jettison all 3 min 27.500m3 stacks near (SS)... so indy can scoop it and put into outpost -> freighter cannot put it inside, i think it could be better to mine the stuff next to platform and refine in pos refineries mining calt for pos ref:http://stefan.jeroengeerts.nl/mining.php
Jessa	Posted - 2005.07.27 16:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Zandramus Hauling 387m trit is going to be a big pain in the arse, even in an iteron 5 with named expanders your looking at roughly 130 round trips just for the trit. Im thinking you gotta want one of these really bad to build it. Thats with one person doing the hauling, what is it with people assuming that these guys are suggesting a one man job here? with teamwork and a good few haulers that can be broken down to about 10-20 trips, even less if they use a freighter to get the stuff into the nearest 0.0 station to their founding site. Geez.
Kadarin	Posted - 2005.07.27 16:33:00 - [13] Originally by: Zandramus There are a few systems in Geminate I would like to see some people put up some of these outposts, but I am not going to be spending this type of money myself to do it. The lower part of Geminate would be an excellent place to put one.
Zandramus	Posted - 2005.07.27 16:41:00 - [14] Originally by: Kadarin Originally by: Zandramus There are a few systems in Geminate I would like to see some people put up some of these outposts, but I am not going to be spending this type of money myself to do it. The lower part of Geminate would be an excellent place to put one. I agree TDE4-H would be an excelent system, plenty of belts to support construction, rare ore and 2 other rare ore systems within 2 jumps. L-TOFR would be another excellent spot though this is already 2 jumps from LS-JEP but there is no rares in LS-JEP. 8MG though now 2 jumps from empire is 3 jumps from an empire station and would be a good candidate. Im sure that there are systems similar in most 0.0 regions. I agree this will take a shedload of co-operation, I am wondering are there any in place yet? has anyone built one yet on tranquility? I would also think that another good location for one would be in a system that has a conqurable factory. pputting the refinery and factory in the same system, one system that comes to mind would be BZ- down in stain, has Stain put one up yet? am very interested to see how this goes and how many will be built in game. Zandramus S.A.S
Elise Masutra	Posted - 2005.07.30 14:19:00 - [15] @FAEX u can't jettison anything from a freighter except the platform, so the plan won't work _________________________________________ (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Saerid	Posted - 2005.07.31 14:38:00 - [16] Could be interesting to see if a build-to-order outpost construction is a viable business. One mechanism that could work is starting a shell corporation for each outpost, join the alliance, then just have some CEO's alts or so join it once the construction is complete, pass the CEO role and leave. Or alternatively add the builders to the alliance holding corp. Basic concept would be to just provide the construction as a service to alliances. The big issue would be risk management, how to ensure the builder gets paid. The 30 something billion represents a fair bit of economic risk after all. Not to mention the margins would have to be pretty high before it's worth all the hassle. Any thoughts?
Nova Beta	Posted - 2005.07.31 20:31:00 - [17] THx Elise i am a bit behind... sorry ingame mining calc for pos http://stefan.jeroengeerts.nl/mining.php
Maasu	Posted - 2005.08.02 02:01:00 - [18] gl :D ATUK, The Forlorn Hope of Corps.
Vmir Gallahasen	Posted - 2005.08.02 18:58:00 - [19] Quote: @FAEX u can't jettison anything from a freighter except the platform, so the plan won't work What if you put it all in lots and lots of giant secure cans?
Goulag	Posted - 2005.08.03 00:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Vmir Gallahasen Quote: @FAEX u can't jettison anything from a freighter except the platform, so the plan won't work What if you put it all in lots and lots of giant secure cans? freighters can only carry packaged giant containers. that means no extra cargo room for free. you get an error message about 'plankt generators' not being allowed
Bryndal	Posted - 2005.08.03 05:08:00 - [21] Originally by: Saerid Could be interesting to see if a build-to-order outpost construction is a viable business. One mechanism that could work is starting a shell corporation for each outpost, join the alliance, then just have some CEO's alts or so join it once the construction is complete, pass the CEO role and leave. Or alternatively add the builders to the alliance holding corp. Basic concept would be to just provide the construction as a service to alliances. The big issue would be risk management, how to ensure the builder gets paid. The 30 something billion represents a fair bit of economic risk after all. Not to mention the margins would have to be pretty high before it's worth all the hassle. Any thoughts? Do it the same way you get a house built in RL. Take a part payment for the construction of each component of the outpost when you build the component. The customer holds about 2/3s of the price as a final payment for putting it in place. If they dont pay dont let them have contgrol of the outpost.
Flipper slipper	Posted - 2005.08.03 07:35:00 - [22] Building an outpost is a big job in itself, but the real job is going to be defending it. I wouldnt even consider building it unless you have the military power to back it up :) An outpost in a nice location is gonna be a BIG target to any griefing pirate corp or alliance.
James Lyrus	Posted - 2005.08.03 12:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Saerid Could be interesting to see if a build-to-order outpost construction is a viable business. One mechanism that could work is starting a shell corporation for each outpost, join the alliance, then just have some CEO's alts or so join it once the construction is complete, pass the CEO role and leave. Or alternatively add the builders to the alliance holding corp. Basic concept would be to just provide the construction as a service to alliances. The big issue would be risk management, how to ensure the builder gets paid. The 30 something billion represents a fair bit of economic risk after all. Not to mention the margins would have to be pretty high before it's worth all the hassle. Any thoughts? Unfortunately for would be outpost builders, if the 'host' alliance decide to 'play nasty' then there's not a huge amount you can do about it. Short of fortifying the system to buggery, and inviting another alliance to come and play. A 'staged' payment project isn't unreasonable - agree 'milestones'. (Platform construction, platform deployment, minerals, trade goods, online, transfer of assets) and agree percentages of the construction that each represents. That way at each stage, you have a 'good faith' arrangement, that they could just attack, (but they've already paid for most of it) or you could just try and keep (but you're deep in 'their' space) and everyone's happy.
Skarsnik	Posted - 2005.08.03 20:59:00 - [24] Originally by: Vaaliant That plutonium is gonna be a real pain in the arse to get a hold of. I'd be interested in hearing what kinda services you'll be needing in terms of logistics :) I know this is the wrong place for it, but we have a substantial amount of plutonium (roughly enough for 2 outposts) for sale in The Placid region 2 jumps form 0.0 space. But good look to those who end up building this --------------------------------- No Slugs were harmed in the creation of this signature ---------------------------------
Slipknot Korn	Posted - 2005.08.03 21:29:00 - [25] OMG a gigantic pod!!
Death Merchant	Posted - 2005.08.04 16:48:00 - [26] Originally by: Slipknot Korn OMG a gigantic pod!! It turns into pretty station after downtime from what I saw on the pictures of eve forums
Sumica	Posted - 2005.08.05 00:28:00 - [27] So what dose it take to build the platform that builds the station. Your not stupid just misinformed Ö
Acier	Posted - 2005.08.11 22:51:00 - [28] Can you make bpc's of the bpo and if so pls contact me ingame w new ME attributes.
prangster	Posted - 2005.08.12 03:21:00 - [29] I have a 1 run bpc for the minmatar outpost available if anyone wants to contact me in game with an offer. Probably not the right place for this but several people asked in this thread. Good luck Equin, the requirements don't look too bad until you check the prices on the platform components so I hope you realize what you're getting into ;)
Lord XSiV	Posted - 2005.08.15 00:54:00 - [30] I got a bpc for this about to pop out, figured I might as well do something with the BPO while we are gatherg the materials to build it. Pleanty of freighters.. just mining our hearts out to get this thing built near our rares.. Anyone have any idea what the BPC should go for?

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