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Vee Bot
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Posted - 2005.07.27 11:18:00 -
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yea, dictionary appreciation socity is that way 
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.07.27 11:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Baconjoe
In the end does it really matter, they all do a job. We all know we are talking about mass ganks here.
But if we are talking about fleet then different. When we get a good number of tempests in gank in TRS we kill bs often before most can get a lock even with a sensor booster2 on.
What give me a hardon is 10 tempests and 2 scorps in gang. 1 scorp for ew and 1 with target painters on. OOOOoooh ye
If you think ganksetups only works in big fleets, than you are mislead Sir. Ganksetups > anything else atm. As long as you can get a lock ^^. The only way to counter Ganksetups is to gank back or to Targetjam their locking computers.
you are right, the effectivness of ganksetups will improve with the size of the fleet.
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Baconjoe
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Loka
Originally by: Baconjoe
In the end does it really matter, they all do a job. We all know we are talking about mass ganks here.
But if we are talking about fleet then different. When we get a good number of tempests in gank in TRS we kill bs often before most can get a lock even with a sensor booster2 on.
What give me a hardon is 10 tempests and 2 scorps in gang. 1 scorp for ew and 1 with target painters on. OOOOoooh ye
If you think ganksetups only works in big fleets, than you are mislead Sir. Ganksetups > anything else atm. As long as you can get a lock ^^. The only way to counter Ganksetups is to gank back or to Targetjam their locking computers.
you are right, the effectivness of ganksetups will improve with the size of the fleet.
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Yes loka i am aware of this. Either you mis read my intention in the post or i mis typed it
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Loka
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:34:00 -
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Oh then iam sorry. English isnt my native language and problably i misunderstood your text.
Then we agree each other 
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Technolisa
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:38:00 -
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Machariel with Tobias modified 1400's and 7 modified gyros 
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:48:00 -
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The navy issue megathron (with its extra low slot) is capable of doing the most dmg in the game as far as i know...
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ManOfHonor
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Posted - 2005.07.27 12:54:00 -
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newbship- fitted
hi- Tomb's Nerf Bat
med- nada
low- nanofiber
but on a serious note, tempest will gank like no tommorow when it hits..... an that requires high skills (unlike the newbalypses)
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Posted - 2005.07.27 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trevedian
Gankgeddons with 7 megapulse II's and a full set of damage mods... I've killed a Battlecruiser in less that 9 secs...
I think he died so fast he never even hit a shield booster/armor rep even once. My corpmates said it was only 2 volleys but the killmail was received 9 seconds after I started firing on them at a gate. And since I have 2.5 sec ROF it was more likely 3-4 volleys.
But;
Used with Blasterthron fitted to gank, its a great combination... (The Gankgeddon strips the shields easily and the Blasterthron tears through armor like nothing else)
A corpmate of mine blew up a Maller in a single volley from his gankageddon....
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:24:00 -
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Don't forget the 8*1400II for the Apoc for those people that don't have Minmatar BS at 5.
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Profess0r Mansechs0r on 27/07/2005 15:28:32
Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Don't forget the 8*1400II for the Apoc for those people that don't have Minmatar BS at 5.
There is still no possible reason to do this, especially now that you can fit a full rack of arty on a tempest without grid mods, meaning you can have 6 gyro IIs.
So you can either have A) A tempest with 25% bonus to damage and RoF, 6 gyro IIs, 5 free midslots and 2 free highslots for whatever, or B) An apoc with no bonuses, 7 gyro IIs (I think with adv weapon upgrades up u only need 1 RCU II), and 4 free midslots.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:28:00 -
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How about 2 more guns and a Gyro II extra ?
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Mr KaY
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r
There is still no possible reason to do this, especially now that you can fit a full rack of arty on a tempest without grid mods, meaning you can have 6 gyro IIs.
tech I yes, tech II no, you will still need a diagnostic to fit tech IIs with all other fitting skills lev 5
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
How about 2 more guns and a Gyro II extra ?
How about 2 25% damage bonuses?
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Don't forget the 8*1400II for the Apoc for those people that don't have Minmatar BS at 5.
I bet you missed that.
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Profess0r Mansechs0r
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Don't forget the 8*1400II for the Apoc for those people that don't have Minmatar BS at 5.
I bet you missed that.
Why would you have t2 large arty and not fly minmatar BS?
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Isolda Kargil
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Profess0r Mansechs0r
Why would you have t2 large arty and not fly minmatar BS?
It may be hard to believe but there are those that are rebellious, or even those that act ungodly!
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:41:00 -
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I don't think that is the issue here...
Up untill the point where you have trained Minmatar BS to 5, the Apoc has a better DOT with the same weapons, simply because it has 2 more of them and 1 Gyro extra.
Math has been done somewhere and looked accurate enough.
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Mr KaY
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
I don't think that is the issue here...
Up untill the point where you have trained Minmatar BS to 5, the Apoc has a better DOT with the same weapons, simply because it has 2 more of them and 1 Gyro extra.
Math has been done somewhere and looked accurate enough.
Thats very sad indeed... goes to show how gimped the minms are..
bwahaha what do i care i fly the mega too 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.27 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 27/07/2005 15:50:53
Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
I don't think that is the issue here...
Up untill the point where you have trained Minmatar BS to 5, the Apoc has a better DOT with the same weapons, simply because it has 2 more of them and 1 Gyro extra.
Math has been done somewhere and looked accurate enough.
Because I'm a dps calculation *****
Just counting ship bonuses, since gunnery skills would be the same and I'm too lazy to do all the uncessary calcs.:
Apoc w/ 8 1400 IIs and 6 gyro IIs (I think prof is wrong and u need 2 grid mods to fit em?)
6.9x damage mod-->9.94 w/ 6 gyro IIs
23.625 RoF-->15.44 w/ 6 gyro IIs
9.94/15.44= ~.674
.674*8 = 5.392
Tempest w/ 6 1400 IIs and 5 gyro IIs and bs 5
8.625x damage mod-->11.86x w/ 5 gyro IIs
17.71875 RoF-->12.23
11.86/12.23= ~.97
.97*6 = 5.82
So tempest w/ BS 5 does about 10% more damage over an apoc. However look at BS 4:
Tempest w/ 6 1400 IIs and 5 gyro IIs and bs 4
8.28x -->11.39
18.9 RoF-->13.04
11.39/13.04 = ~.874
.874*6 = 5.244
Apoc does about 3-4% more damage if the pilot only has minny bs 4, so yes apoc does more damage with the guns. However the Tempest still having 2 free highslots for launchers further increasing its damage, and having 5 mids for ewar or whatever while the apoc only has 4.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:00:00 -
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Also the apoc has higher volley damage.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:00:00 -
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Thanks for crunching the numbers. 
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Muad 'dib
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Thanks for crunching the numbers.
yea. thnx.
/me crys
another reason to buy Amarr BS skill 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Muad 'dib
Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Thanks for crunching the numbers.
yea. thnx.
/me crys
another reason to buy Amarr BS skill
Yeah thats pretty damn ridiculous.
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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Sir Kad
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:17:00 -
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A Mega with T2 Neutron Blasters melted my tanked Raven in 10 seconds (might have been less). Of course it was assisted by a cov ops allowing him to warp in right at his optimal...OUCH!
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Elaine Threepwood
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:36:00 -
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Apoc only needs one power mod to fit 8 1400 II now that we have advanced weapon upgrades.
Incidentally, Tempest doesn't need any grid mods if you have it at level 5. Not much grid for anything else then though
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Tempests with T2 1400's > Geddons with any sort of laser
I'm sorry but it's the other way around if both are at optimal. He said GANK ship not the one that would win at specific ranges or including ship hp.
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Kad
A Mega with T2 Neutron Blasters melted my tanked Raven in 10 seconds (might have been less). Of course it was assisted by a cov ops allowing him to warp in right at his optimal...OUCH!
That's the only way to make a megathron win, a warp in dude 
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Kaeten
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: ShadowlordUK
The navy issue megathron (with its extra low slot) is capable of doing the most dmg in the game as far as i know...
yes that with Cormacks neutron blasters and the other stuff. man that would be scary to land next to 
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HippoKing
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:43:00 -
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shuttle > j00
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Christina Aguilera
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Posted - 2005.07.27 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:48:56
The Tempest can tank AND gank at the same time.
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