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Marskalkur	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:08:00 - [61] Originally by: benwallace I duno my corp m8 with 7 mega pulse II and 8 heat sink II did amazing damage wreaked for 1.2k damage and has like a 2sec rof I think I do 1k wrecking with mega pulse II and one faction damage mod... I should try fitting 8 of them.
ManOfHonor	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:13:00 - [62] it would be a weak tank, and gimp your gank, you wouldnt have the advantages of tracking comp IIs, and your tank wouldnt have ANY med or low mods (well maby a cap recharger) to keep itself going it might be worth it, i can imagine putting on a kin + therm or therm + EM shield hardner on, or maby therm+kin+EM, and no booster, it would be able to take a significant amount more damage than it would untanked, but tracking would be a problem _____________________________ Honor Glory And Strength! Honor Above Self Glory For Self Strength Of Self (\_/)<- This Bunny Hates The Other Bunnies (^.^) (> <)
R31D	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:13:00 - [63] Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: DoctorGonzo Tempests with T2 1400's > Geddons with any sort of laser I'm sorry but it's the other way around if both are at optimal. He said GANK ship not the one that would win at specific ranges or including ship hp. And he never said that it would beat a gankageddon at a specific range. Her said a 1400 Tempest is a better gank ship than a gankageddon. based on the damage it can kick out in a second (not DPS, volley damage) Free bumpage for all
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:26:00 - [64] Originally by: ManOfHonor it would be a weak tank, and gimp your gank, you wouldnt have the advantages of tracking comp IIs, and your tank wouldnt have ANY med or low mods (well maby a cap recharger) to keep itself going it might be worth it, i can imagine putting on a kin + therm or therm + EM shield hardner on, or maby therm+kin+EM, and no booster, it would be able to take a significant amount more damage than it would untanked, but tracking would be a problem Who cares about tracking computers if you're hitting BS? Optimal of a 1200mm Carbine is 20km with EMP and I've gotten wrecking hits up to 40km of 1100+ with EMP (20km beyond optimal!!!). It also was hitting down to 8km. Not every Tempest setup has to be a sniper with multiple Tracking Computer 2s. People need to think outside this ->[]. Have you ever even mounted 1200s? The tank I was running was this: 1x XL C5L 3x Hardener (kin, therm, em) 1x Heavy Electrochemical Cap Booster Cap rechargers/PDUs not required.
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.07.27 17:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: DoctorGonzo Tempests with T2 1400's > Geddons with any sort of laser Somebody is going to run the maths and prove that the geddon outdamages a t2 tempest. Thats right but Tempest isn't a 8/0/6 ship. It has 5 medslots to play with. You can put a light tank or even EW on it. You'll have problems with PG and CPU but it works.
Bruchpilot	Posted - 2005.07.27 18:12:00 - [66] The damage of 1200mm is laughable. It just works 'cause noone uses tanks on their ships. A good tanked Apoc or Dominix will just outtank your Tempest and you'll die horrible.
ManOfHonor	Posted - 2005.07.27 18:32:00 - [67] Edited by: ManOfHonor on 27/07/2005 18:32:09 Originally by: Christina Aguilera People need to think outside this ->[]. Have you ever even mounted 1200s? 1. yes the box is ebil, an i did saiy it might work decently... 2. the one time i flew a tempest, i didnt even have large proj lv1.... i probly had like 3mil SP (well actualy i dunno crosses 3mil SP out), i got r***ed by a triple BS spawn in 0.0 .... my tank was CRAP... and the lag, oh god the lag! (was also on my older computer) course, iv tryed plenty of things on TQ (think i DID use 1200mms once, they arnt that bad) also... do you plan on hitting those HACs? _____________________________ NPC Asteroid Belt Bases Honor Glory And Strength! Honor Above Self Glory For Self St
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.07.27 18:51:00 - [68] Originally by: ManOfHonor also... do you plan on hitting those HACs? No problems so far, at least with a Diemos, 300+ hits.
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.07.27 18:55:00 - [69] Originally by: Bruchpilot The damage of 1200mm is laughable. It just works 'cause noone uses tanks on their ships. A good tanked Apoc or Dominix will just outtank your Tempest and you'll die horrible. Wrong. The damage is excellent. You'd know what I meant after the first volley and half your armor is gone and the second volley comes before your rep cycles once. Figure it out.
Selim	Posted - 2005.07.28 04:24:00 - [70] 1200s are the worst guns in game.
Will Basthard	Posted - 2005.07.28 04:34:00 - [71] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Baconjoe Originally by: W0lverine Edited by: W0lverine on 27/07/2005 10:50:40 Originally by: Baconjoe Originally by: benwallace I duno my corp m8 with 7 mega pulse II and 8 heat sink II did amazing damage wreaked for 1.2k damage and has like a 2sec rof I think ---------------------------------------------- lol ive done over that with tech one megapulse. However my 1400's are wrecking over 2500 dmg and whats your ROF? an hour? ---------------------------------------------- Yes i fire slower then a geddon, however I have never been beaten by one. It is hard to get a 1v1 on tq nowadays but I have tested on this in the test server many times and i can comfortable take out 2 geddons, although I will end up in structure. Saying this tho my tempest skills are maxed not sure how you can kill 2 gankageddons tho, with ok skills 1 ganka do around 1000DPS, 2 do 2000...you should die be4 you can fire 2nd volley, unless ofcourse you are not in their optimal Um... duh!
Will Basthard	Posted - 2005.07.28 04:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Selim 1200s are the worst guns in game. 1200IIs are pretty nasty... your just a hater... admit it.
Fred0	Posted - 2005.07.28 08:23:00 - [73] Nah, he just wants them buffed because they have the bpo
Selim	Posted - 2005.07.28 08:24:00 - [74] holy ****, we do?
GoGo Yubari	Posted - 2005.07.28 08:35:00 - [75] Originally by: Christina Aguilera Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:55:08 Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:48:56 The Tempest can tank AND gank at the same time. Full shield tank with 6x Gryo2. Cap booster and named 1200mm guns make it possible. People will, of course doubt the viability. But there's some well known players that have died by it (SiSi and TQ) and can vouch for how well it works against traditional Tempest, Geddon or Raven setups. There's other, odd variations of that theme. And now stop talking about that particulat setup. There's a reason why it isn't discussed often on the forums.
Tu Ve	Posted - 2005.07.28 10:25:00 - [76] Omg Dramiell and Worm is best gankers!!!!!
Soros	Posted - 2005.07.28 11:02:00 - [77] 7x ion blaster II's + 2x target painter II's + 2x tracking computer II's + 7x mag stab II's = The end of your ship -= Soros =- BoB
W0lverine	Posted - 2005.07.28 11:29:00 - [78] Originally by: Soros 7x ion blaster II's + 2x target painter II's + 2x tracking computer II's + 7x mag stab II's = The end of your ship its end of your ship unless you got a cov op with you so you can land on top of the enemy
DB Preacher	Posted - 2005.07.28 12:57:00 - [79] Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Soros 7x ion blaster II's + 2x target painter II's + 2x tracking computer II's + 7x mag stab II's = The end of your ship its end of your ship unless you got a cov op with you so you can land on top of the enemy Ain't that the truth. We tried a full blasterthron fleet once. We missed landing on the opposition fleet by 5km. We died horrifically. It was damn good fun though! dbp Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Soros	Posted - 2005.07.28 13:22:00 - [80] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Soros 7x ion blaster II's + 2x target painter II's + 2x tracking computer II's + 7x mag stab II's = The end of your ship its end of your ship unless you got a cov op with you so you can land on top of the enemy Ain't that the truth. We tried a full blasterthron fleet once. We missed landing on the opposition fleet by 5km. We died horrifically. It was damn good fun though! dbp I have a covert ops alt, the question is, the best gank ship in terms of damage,not the adaptability of the ship I killed a manned apoc in two volleys. a fully tanked one in about 7, just ask ilia koke -= Soros =- BoB
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.28 13:36:00 - [81] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/07/2005 13:36:07 Originally by: Will Basthard Originally by: Selim 1200s are the worst guns in game. 1200IIs are pretty nasty... your just a hater... admit it. nasÀty adj. nasÀtiÀer, nasÀtiÀest Disgustingly dirty. Physically repellent. Morally offensive; indecent. Yes, they are nasty. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
JonnyKay	Posted - 2005.07.28 13:58:00 - [82] the thing about a tempest VS a Geddon is it depends on who gets the opening shots, if the temp warps in at it's optimal of...say 60km (geddons have less optimals, unless they get longer range crystals which do **** dmg) it's bye bye for the geddon . but if u switch that around and make the geddon warp in at it's optimal to the temp, geddon would have a 70% chance of winning. .
Soros	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:00:00 - [83] Originally by: JonnyKay the thing about a tempest VS a Geddon is it depends on who gets the opening shots, if the temp warps in at it's optimal of...say 60km (geddons have less optimals, unless they get longer range crystals which do **** dmg) it's bye bye for the geddon . but if u switch that around and make the geddon warp in at it's optimal to the temp, geddon would have a 70% chance of winning. . A geddon setup for damage at 15k warping in ontop of a tempest setup for 100k snipeing the tempest is dead, but thats the same for any ship :D -= Soros =- BoB
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:03:00 - [84] Originally by: Christina Aguilera Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:55:08 Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:48:56 The Tempest can tank AND gank at the same time. Full shield tank with 6x Gryo2. Cap booster and named 1200mm guns make it possible. People will, of course doubt the viability. But there's some well known players that have died by it (SiSi and TQ) and can vouch for how well it works against traditional Tempest, Geddon or Raven setups. Only true setup I am scared of. However, I can escape...
Kaeten	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:04:00 - [85] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: W0lverine Originally by: Soros 7x ion blaster II's + 2x target painter II's + 2x tracking computer II's + 7x mag stab II's = The end of your ship its end of your ship unless you got a cov op with you so you can land on top of the enemy Ain't that the truth. We tried a full blasterthron fleet once. We missed landing on the opposition fleet by 5km. We died horrifically. It was damn good fun though! dbp I take it their fleet was spread out?
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:07:00 - [86] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/07/2005 15:07:55 Originally by: Kaeten Originally by: Christina Aguilera Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:55:08 Edited by: Christina Aguilera on 27/07/2005 16:48:56 The Tempest can tank AND gank at the same time. Full shield tank with 6x Gryo2. Cap booster and named 1200mm guns make it possible. People will, of course doubt the viability. But there's some well known players that have died by it (SiSi and TQ) and can vouch for how well it works against traditional Tempest, Geddon or Raven setups. Only true setup I am scared of. However, I can escape... The dual 250 gankdom does the same thing except much better cause of all the damn drones, and without the complete crap tracking. Of course the tempest has longer range, but if you are fighting at longer range then you might as well use 1400s which are so much better than 1200s it isnt even fair. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:38:00 - [87] Originally by: Selim 1200s are the worst guns in game. Seem to work well for me with 6x Gyro 2. It's amazing that people will see good ROF, good damage modifier and (better than 1400mm) tracking and look up and with a straight face say, "it's crap." People ought to try stuff out instead of bashing something or using something else because it's fashionable. I'll spend several months testing something on SiSi, refining it and creating something that comes out on top. A lot of you read the forums to decide what is "cool." But don't worry, you're not the most pathetic people. The most pathetic people take advantage of the test server but then only test the cookie cutter forum setups over and over. Then they'll get beat by an odd one and just chalk it up to, "well this is the test server and they're using officer loot." To be honest, my Tempest setup lost to one ship, it was a Caldari Navy Raven. My TQ setup is IDENTICAL to my SiSi setup. I was using 1200mm Carbine and XL Clarity Wards and beating people who were using SiSi only unlikely on TQ setups. But whatever. The forums are useless because nobody gives anyone the benefit of the doubt and everyone is an expert. So keep thinking 1400mm2, tracking computers, target painters and gyros are the only thing you can mount on a Tempest. And doubt anyone who says different. Whatever. Anyone want to sell some 'crap' 1200mm Scouts please?
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:47:00 - [88] Originally by: DrunkenOne complete crap tracking. Why is everyone so worried about tracking? You only need enough to hit your target. Only time I've had problems hitting something with artilliary is when they got inside 4km. But the same will be true of rails and beams. 4km is just autocannon, blaster and pulse territory, plain and simple. In a perfect world all fights would occur at your optimal. In the real world people get inside and outside of your optimal. Doesn't make your guns crap.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2005.07.28 15:55:00 - [89] Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/07/2005 15:56:50 Edited by: DrunkenOne on 28/07/2005 15:55:31 Originally by: Christina Aguilera Originally by: DrunkenOne complete crap tracking. Why is everyone so worried about tracking? You only need enough to hit your target. Only time I've had problems hitting something with artilliary is when they got inside 4km. But the same will be true of rails and beams. 4km is just autocannon, blaster and pulse territory, plain and simple. In a perfect world all fights would occur at your optimal. In the real world people get inside and outside of your optimal. Doesn't make your guns crap. Dude, I've tried and used the setup on TQ. It IS a good setup, I'm not gonna lie, and can kill standard raven tanks and gank ships, but you can do the EXACT same thing, using 1400 IIs with 1 less gyro and a RCU II, and doing more damage at more range. And like I said, the dual 250 gank dom is still better, and I know this from testing. Of course outside of drone range, or at the edge of it and you might win, but if you are outside of 30km or so, you might as well just use 1400 IIs. Originally by: Sochin CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
Christina Aguilera	Posted - 2005.07.28 16:02:00 - [90] My setup is very CPU limited. Even if I ditched a Gyro2 and put an RCU2 I doubt I'd have the CPU to mount the 1400mm. I'd be curious to see how far off the damage of 6x 1200mm/6x Gyrostab is compared to 6x 1400mm/5x Gyrostab is. I'm not doubting there are better setups out there, always is. I can't fly a Dom though. Lastly, when I was making generalizations about people I wasn't referring to you

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