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Muji Mujahid
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.03.06 08:38:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:Wescro wrote:Your lack of knowledge about suicide ganking shows in this post. Your initial premise is incorrect. You can almost never gank a 200m ISK ship with a 5m ISK one. In extraordinary circumstances, you may be able to pull it off. Perhaps, in 0.5, with concord pre-spawned, with a target Hulk that is untanked, has low skills, and has it's shields beaten down some by the rats, you may get it sometimes if you fit right and waste no time. Like you yourself did just a few days ago, without the benefit of the "rats" or the "untanked" or the "low skills" part? Maaaate. You are not a good advocate here. You've already solo'ed one Hulk this month and are obviously trying for more, so it's no surprise that you don't like what I'm saying. That's fine. You've not mentioned how many New Order reimbursements you've collected, nor how many Hulks that you've salvaged. And that's also fine. I'm glad you found a play style that agrees with you. That's really good because when the target can actually shoot back, you're remarkablyterribleatthisgame. When you're ready to try something more challenging, you really should read my blog. It would help you. In the meantime, fly safe.
Honestly, how boring and miserable does someone's life have to be to write a blog based on a game as a user? It's almost as if you have a big part of your life heavily dedicated to the game and want other people to invest their time in reading whatever the hell it is you write about (like pretty stars and planets in Eve). It's sad really. Perhaps, if you put that effort into doing something more productive and improving real life skills, you would be able to afford a place that isn't your mother's basement. Stop kissing your own ass and get a life. |
Capt Starfox
New Order Logistics CODE.
393
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Posted - 2013.03.06 08:40:00 -
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If an Exhumer is ganked, whether that be by a solo ganker, or a group, the fault is on the gankee; first and foremost.
Second, if I have 20m SP in Gunnery, I should be able to gank solo. I spent the time working up those skills and if a pilot in an Exhumer doesn't want to put forth the effort to watch out for criminal activity, or anyone for that matter, pirates included (although there's a good chance we would run toward the sounds of blasters), it again is the fault of the gankee.
What I hear in your posts is that Eve should be more like a pay to win game. The more ISK you spend, the better you are. This is not Eve. There are several other variables to take into consideration that I fear many players have veered away from; you included. Experience, skill (not SP), patience, networking, research are just off the top of my head. In the MMO community they don't refer to Eve as the smart players game for nothing. It takes time and effort, lots of it, to achieve your goal. However, you can jump in with friends/corpmates -through networking- and get involved in the professions that would take you months of training, trial and error, research, etc.
The Exhumers needed a buff and they got one. Now it's up to the pilots to actually pay attention to what's going on around them, not CCP.
James 315 for CSM 8 |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2013.03.06 12:26:00 -
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Agnar Volta wrote:Wescro, your post explain in details the rational from CCP to the barges buff.
You want to have fun, make a point or have revenge blowing up a barge? You pay for it. Is not suppose to be cheap either. Any other PVP activity in EVE has a high cost, why should ganking be cheap?
Why should CCP allow you to treat other player like they were missions NPC?
In the context of high sec ganking, the ganker is forced to lose their ship every time. Any other kind of PvPer will keep their ship at least some of the time, no matter how much they suck. If non-gank PvPers also lost their ship every time they fought, then it would be ok for them to be cheap. By the same token, if gankers only lost their ship once in a while, it would be ok for them to be more expensive. James 315 for CSM8. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1784
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:04:00 -
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Muji Mujahid wrote:Honestly, how boring and miserable does someone's life have to be to write a blog based on a game as a user? It's almost as if you have a big part of your life heavily dedicated to the game and want other people to invest their time in reading whatever the hell it is you write about (like pretty stars and planets in Eve). It's sad really. Perhaps, if you put that effort into doing something more productive and improving real life skills, you would be able to afford a place that isn't your mother's basement. Stop kissing your own ass and get a life. Idiot alert.
Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
1305
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:18:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:That's really good because when the target can actually shoot back, you're remarkablyterribleatthisgame. When you're ready to try something more challenging, you really should read my blog. It would help you. In the meantime, fly safe. Good Christ, you're remarkably full of yourself. Is the **** waving really needed? If you're not already part of a bloc, this is the best guy for CSM8. |
High Sec Dan
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.03.06 13:44:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Ripard Teg wrote:That's really good because when the target can actually shoot back, you're remarkablyterribleatthisgame. When you're ready to try something more challenging, you really should read my blog. It would help you. In the meantime, fly safe. Good Christ, you're remarkably full of yourself. Is the **** waving really needed?
Ripard never puts himself in a situation where he and his buddies don't overwhelm their opponents, both numerically and in terms of firepower. Between him and the high sec miner gankers, the gankers take on a greater risk. It's ironic that Ripard would belittle the very quality he sorely lacks; the courage to tough it out without overwhelmingly favorable odds. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1849
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:16:00 -
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Hi Folks,
I'd just like to remind everyone of the forum rules, specifically:
Forum rules wrote: 34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel. Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.
Due to violations of this rule, I've had to edit a few posts in this thread. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
299
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:34:00 -
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ISD Suvetar wrote:Hi Folks, I'd just like to remind everyone of the forum rules, specifically: Forum rules wrote: 34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
More often than not, posts of this nature are made with inflammatory intent and are designed to promote trolling and flaming. Therefore, the posting of links to kill reports from any third party site, or the direct copy-pasting of kill reports from in game is prohibited on all forum channels of the EVE Online Forums, with the exception of the Crime & Punishment Channel. Specific rules regarding the omission of pilot names apply in this instance. Further details can be found in the rules stickies in the Crime & Punishment forum channel.
Due to violations of this rule, I've had to edit a few posts in this thread.
Thanks for the tireless moderation! You have to cut Ripard some slack though, it seems he was sweating trying to deflect my argument somehow and overlooked the rules. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Aiden Lynch
Brave Newbies Inc.
6
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Posted - 2013.03.06 14:58:00 -
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Nathan Jameson wrote:Wescro wrote:Yea I took an Orca into null looking to get into a wormhole. According to the Ripard Teg's of the world that makes me "remarkably terrible" at this game. Also, everyone in wormholes.
If you're not being terrible, you're generally not being interesting, either.
Which is fine for some people, but no one reads a blog about a really cautious guy who avoided fights he couldn't win. If you're good at this game, you're bad at this game.If you're terrible at this game, you're great at this game.ISK is nothing. Pew pew everything. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1850
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:22:00 -
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Wescro wrote:
Thanks for the tireless moderation! You have to cut Ripard some slack though, it seems he was trying to deflect the argument about his platform back onto my killmails somehow and overlooked the rules. Perhaps he can find something else about me to pivot to rather than giving us straight answers about his support for the concept of ISK tanking?
Absolutely - that's why I only snipped a few bits. We're sensitive to the mechanics of this sub-forum and are eager not to be .. ahem .. too efficient!
Thank you for your kind words, either way.
Now, back on with the topic ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
153
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Posted - 2013.03.06 15:52:00 -
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Wescro wrote:I don't salvage my hulks, the campers that crowd the belt trying to stop my ganks get to it first most of the time.
Sounds like a personal problem. Option is there. Option to loot the ship is there, especially if you have a ship dedicated to this standing by. If you lose money because you don't take advantage of this, its really not anyone's fault but yours. |
Capt Starfox
New Order Logistics CODE.
395
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:13:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:
Sounds like a personal problem. Option is there. Option to loot the ship is there, especially if you have a ship dedicated to this standing by. If you lose money because you don't take advantage of this, its really not anyone's fault but yours.
Please have an idea about what you're talking about before you post. For a solo or 1-2 players ganks salvaging is almost guaranteed if there is no advisement; however, NO fleets always post the kills in local to warn the other miners about what's going on (interesting I know, who would have thought the gankers would warn potential gank targets). This attracts vultures and typically those vultures are there to jump on Concord KMs and salvage/loot all the wrecks... for obvious reasons.
James 315 for CSM 8 |
Runeme Shilter
New Order Logistics CODE.
53
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Posted - 2013.03.06 16:44:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Wescro wrote:I don't salvage my hulks, the campers that crowd the belt trying to stop my ganks get to it first most of the time. Sounds like a personal problem. Option is there. Option to loot the ship is there, especially if you have a ship dedicated to this standing by. If you lose money because you don't take advantage of this, its really not anyone's fault but yours.
We know. And we have to add that to the "Risk" side of the ganking equation. |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
153
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Posted - 2013.03.06 17:18:00 -
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Runeme Shilter wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Wescro wrote:I don't salvage my hulks, the campers that crowd the belt trying to stop my ganks get to it first most of the time. Sounds like a personal problem. Option is there. Option to loot the ship is there, especially if you have a ship dedicated to this standing by. If you lose money because you don't take advantage of this, its really not anyone's fault but yours. We know. And we have to add that to the "Risk" side of the ganking equation.
And that'd be a fair point, and its one reason why if I personally was a ganker and hoping to profit? I wouldn't do it without someone on the scene to loot, and to try and avoid giving vultures opportunity. A lot harder to do when you're establishing a territory though, yes. Point is, profiting is possible and incredibly easy if you know what you're doing and picking your targets carefully, rather than drawing attention to yourself. Should it be easier? Ehh.. that's where its up for debate... high sec isn't supposed to be low sec/null sec, but there's gotta be some sense of danger.
Oh, and Starfox, just because you don't like what someone has to say, doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about. The vultures are ultimately something the ganker has to get around. I get that, I just don't see it as a problem. |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2013.03.06 19:26:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:Wescro wrote:I don't salvage my hulks, the campers that crowd the belt trying to stop my ganks get to it first most of the time. Sounds like a personal problem. Option is there. Option to loot the ship is there, especially if you have a ship dedicated to this standing by. If you lose money because you don't take advantage of this, its really not anyone's fault but yours.
Fair point. I rather enjoy the challenge of outdoing the vultures. Sometimes we use decoys so the vultures camp the wrong target, which gives us valuable seconds to attack, loot, salvage the real target. In fact, I prefer that vultures be able to interrupt our ganks if they play right and we play wrong, it gives them a way to play effectively and works to the entertainment of both. What I object to is Ripards implication that salvage is always part of the equation. It's nowhere near guaranteed. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Jayarr Altol
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
15
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Posted - 2013.03.06 20:57:00 -
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Oh look, James's propaganda squad, undying loyalty in the cause. The attempt a character assassination is more blatant than James's . Please try harder.
I understand you feel your gameplay is under threat from certain elements in the community and within CCP itself. You would be right in saying that ripard doesn't want to tear apart highsec, you would be wrong saying he wants to stop ganks, or lobby for any changes that destroy your precious PvE experience. The role of CSM is not to be a junior game designer, this should be repeated ad nauseum for people like you. CSM is a sieve for CCP's less stellar ideas. To moderate the most silly of the ideas.
Not. Junior. Highsec . Game. Designer. No. |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
307
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Posted - 2013.03.06 21:27:00 -
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Oh look a Rote Kapellian coming out to bat for Ripard, now I've seen everything!
Jayarr Altol wrote:you would be wrong saying he wants to stop ganks, or lobby for any changes that destroy your precious PvE experience.
I would be wrong saying that, which is why I'm not saying it. He's terribly misinformed about how ganking works in highsec, something which he appears to be remedying if his latest blog post is any indication. We know for a fact his famous "gankers arguments sound like slaveholders and rapists" blog post came well before his attempt to actually find out more about ganking. If you follow his blog you know he has a history of taking positions he later changes because he doesn't know what he's on about. A guy like that should rightfully be challenged when he attempts to represent "every play-style in EVE."
Jayarr Altol wrote: The role of CSM is not to be a junior game designer, this should be repeated ad nauseum for people like you. CSM is a sieve for CCP's less stellar ideas. To moderate the most silly of the ideas.
Not. Junior. Highsec . Game. Designer. No.
Agreed. CSM is an advocacy platform, not an executive or legislative platform. That doesn't or shouldn't stop candidates from having a platform that includes game design changes that they will advocate for, but not necessarily design or implement themselves. Ripard is no exception, as he has put forward several positions that only a junior game desinger could implement (such as requiring more than one 5m ISK destroyer to kill a 200m exhumer). Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Vince Snetterton
256
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Posted - 2013.03.06 22:44:00 -
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Wescro wrote:More insane drivel.
Though I hardly subscribe to what Ripard represents, any sane individual would choose him over you. You are a cancer in this game.
I have no doubt you will win a seat. Given that you have goon backing (last I heard Mynnna had given you 4.4 billion), I have no doubt you will be there, pushing your scorched earth agenda.
High sec needs ZERO changes in income generation, but does need more protection from griefers like you.
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Capt Starfox
New Order Logistics CODE.
398
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Posted - 2013.03.06 23:33:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Wescro wrote:More insane drivel. Though I hardly subscribe to what Ripard represents, any sane individual would choose him over you. You are a cancer in this game. I have no doubt you will win a seat. Given that you have goon backing (last I heard Mynnna had given you 4.4 billion), I have no doubt you will be there, pushing your scorched earth agenda. High sec needs ZERO changes in income generation, but does need more protection from griefers like you.
Interesting... You publicly ridicule someone, but don't provide any direct supporting reasons. James 315 for CSM 8 |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2013.03.06 23:40:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote: Interesting... You publicly ridicule someone, but don't provide any direct supporting reasons.
If you think that's bad, you should see him in Mynna's thread. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1791
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:26:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Thanks for the tireless moderation! Aren't you petty. They wouldn't have been removed had you not reported him. Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
310
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Wescro wrote:Thanks for the tireless moderation! Aren't you petty. They wouldn't have been removed had you not reported him.
You're mistaken Poe, I was also unaware that posting killmails was not allowed here. You'll notice I posted my own killmail in my response to Ripard which also got removed. I don't like Ripards platform but I have no interest in siccing mod aggro on him. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1060
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:46:00 -
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Wescro wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Wescro wrote:Thanks for the tireless moderation! Aren't you petty. They wouldn't have been removed had you not reported him. You're mistaken Poe, I was also unaware that posting killmails was not allowed here. You'll notice I posted my own killmail in my response to Ripard which also got removed. I don't like Ripards platform but I have no interest in siccing mod aggro on him.
Yeah, it does seem you tempt ISD a lot. You even tried to get them to talk about politics and such on this thread, which is a no-no. Or perhaps even made them enforce one rule to break another.
What a hard wire they walk. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
60
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Posted - 2013.03.07 01:23:00 -
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Ripard, as a well known purveyor of slrapery (combination of **** and slavery) and the banning of tactical assault clip baby killing destroyers is the only one I can trust to keep those jobs here in lonetrek and not in those unionized thugs in Amarr prime. |
Lord BryanII
25
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:37:00 -
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why are these pvp care bears getting so much attention? just ignore them |
Ripard Teg
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
468
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Posted - 2013.03.07 06:47:00 -
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Hi ISD Suvetar, my apologies. I was unaware of that particular rule. Thanks for the note!
For Marc Callan and everyone who was waiting, the first two posts that he requested are up:
My reaction to James 315's proposals for high-sec: Things could be worse
Garth's reaction to James 315's proposals for high-sec (NSFW language): Cannibal
I'll catch up with the (non-sperge) questions in this thread tomorrow. Getting kinda late here.
Hi Gor. Please don't try to help me. <3 Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.03.07 07:11:00 -
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I'm surprised by how Ripard is taking this thread. You would think a "professional negotiator" would stick to the point instead of ad-hominem attacks. Does being held to account on your ideas really upset you that much that you have to resort to insults here and on your blog ("remarkbly terrible, sperg, f'n moron"), linking killmails against forum rules to shift the focus on me to avoid talking about your platform?
I was hoping for straight answers but I guess I'm not going to get any from a guy who has admitted to using insensitive and incendiary analogies for blog traffic. More elite communication skills I guess.
If you ever feel like using any of the "professional negotiation" skills you mention in your OP, I'm still waiting on answer as to how to you justify your support for the concept of ISK tanking. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
Kainotomiu Ronuken
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
942
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Posted - 2013.03.07 09:09:00 -
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I had a lot of respect for Ripard (see earlier in this thread) but I have to say that he is saying some impressively dumb things in this campaign.
"If highsec miners move to lowsec and nullsec you won't be able to shoot them anymore."
"Yes, nullsec has problems. All the changes to fix those problems need to be in nullsec, though."
Really? Both of those suggestions are so utterly unlike Ripard's usual analytical and sensible self that I have to wonder if he is presenting himself this way in an effort to pander to the carebear masses of highsec. If you are doing that, Ripard, then you're making a huge mistake: I think that you could very well have swept up the election with your established following, and whoring yourself out to the masses who hardly even bother to vote only makes you look like the world's biggest tit. You have become the pubbie, Mittani. Yours is the temple whose technetium-clad tables are at risk of being overthrown, whose seats need mixing. You're the one who fears war. -- Sadleric
Vote James 315 for CSM 8! |
Marc Callan
NullOcular Order THORN Alliance
129
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:09:00 -
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Ripard Teg wrote:My reaction to James 315's proposals for high-sec: Things could be worseGarth's reaction to James 315's proposals for high-sec (NSFW language): Cannibal
Wow. Those answers exceeded my expectations both in length and quality, as well as providing food for thought and the seeds of a tactic or two. I'm much obliged and very impressed. (And oddly charmed by Garth. Yes, I'm having my head looked at. :) )
And grateful, bearing in mind there's at least one other type of player who can be found in hisec, beyond the newbies, the PVE grinders, and the gankers: people and groups whose excursions into the Great Game have gone south on them. Groups whose wormhole got raided and cleared out; groups that got plowed under in null and no longer have a place in the Blue Donut; people who tried to make a go of it in lowsec or NPC null and got their heads handed to them; and the like. Hisec is a good place for them to recover, regroup, and recruit; if there's nowhere for them to go, then like you said, their only realistic option may be to leave New Eden entirely. As far as I can tell, it's in CCP's interest to make sure they have a place to get their feet back under them and stay in the game (at the various meta levels of "game"). "Nevertheless a prince ought to inspire fear in such a way that, if he does not win love, he avoids hatred..." - Niccolo Machiavelli-á |
Jayarr Altol
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
15
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:29:00 -
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You won't have as many miners to shoot because they will simply up and leave. I'm not saying "lol buff hisec", hell I'd advocate a nerf to the amount of money made through ice mining, the ultimate lazy mine. You need to entice who you can to low and null, some people just want to play casually, and hisec let's them do that. It's the 60 hulks with 7 orca support that should be moved to null. |
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