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Singira
Snowflake Federation Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2013.02.21 01:21:00 -
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zappp brannigann wrote:Singira wrote:[quote=zappp brannigann][quote=Singira] Leeching... Thats a fairly clueless statement..
This is not slightly harder, this is nigh impossible.. But funny how you consider it completely safe going 20+ jumps through hostile 0.0 space and attacking a ship many times your size with 20-100 of his allies in local, completely safe..
How about you actually try doing some PvP in any shape or form before making clueless statements about what is risk-free?
You are entitled to your oppinions, however clueless and risk averse they may be. But I suggest you put your clueless rabble in a "QQ I want concorde in 0.0 while I rat plx" thread.. Just as I am entitled to find it amusing to hunt in this manner, welcome to the sandbox bro...
But yet again, this is not the topic.. I am just wondering when we will see this new AI.. Speaking of clueless and risk averse opinions and rabble..... Again, sorry it is tougher to collect PVE fit killmails. Welcome to the sandbox, where you can choose to hunt PVE ships, but you might have to put some effort and planning into killing them instead of warp -> pew pew.
I'll take you on in one of my PvE ships then you get to fly a bomber like I usually do.. Show me how easy it is.. Just convo me ingame and we can set it up.. |

amurder Hakomairos
Fellowship Of Lost Souls Rebel Alliance of New Eden
27
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Posted - 2013.02.21 01:56:00 -
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Singira wrote:amurder Hakomairos wrote:You can have the "new AI" that will never attack you when they change PvE so that we can do it in PvP fit ships. I'm sure there will be crying over that as well. Im sorry my PvP preferences does not meet the more common standards of beeing brave and pro in a 50-400man blob, and bravely do what the FC tells you.. Im sure I too will learn to be a mindless peon too someday.. Untill then I will just have to make do with the easy stuff like slipping through terribad gatecamps consisting of brave pro pvp'ers who boldly sit on gates for hours waiting for a lonely ship to jump in then bravely slaughtering it 20 vs 1... Maby I too can learn to bravely run away from even odds aswell, but that is so advanced it will likely take years to master.. Problem with bringing a "proper" PvP ship solo into 0.0 is that you will eventually get blobbed, and it is usually sooner than later.. So I bring one with a cloaking device and jump you when the situation is in my favor.. Why does that make you so sad? This playstyle really is just the product of blobs, if it is not viable to fly a "real" ship, then you look at other options. Is it not easier to just pay attention to the game, then you will never get caught ratting, and people like me would never be of any real danger to pro PvP'ers such as the angry people in here... It is really hilarious how you automatically assume that because I like to hunt ratters, I must then not be able to do anything else.. It is like assuming that ratters only rat because they are incapable of anything else than dumb predictable rats doing the same routine over and over... Let's not even get started on miners with this train of thought...
I dunno about all that, I'm just saying if you get a free pass on the NPCs not attacking you then I ought to be able to rat in a PvP fit ship to make things fair. After all, you are looking for a good fight, right?
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Singira
Snowflake Federation Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
48
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Posted - 2013.02.21 02:16:00 -
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amurder Hakomairos wrote:Singira wrote:amurder Hakomairos wrote:You can have the "new AI" that will never attack you when they change PvE so that we can do it in PvP fit ships. I'm sure there will be crying over that as well. Im sorry my PvP preferences does not meet the more common standards of beeing brave and pro in a 50-400man blob, and bravely do what the FC tells you.. Im sure I too will learn to be a mindless peon too someday.. Untill then I will just have to make do with the easy stuff like slipping through terribad gatecamps consisting of brave pro pvp'ers who boldly sit on gates for hours waiting for a lonely ship to jump in then bravely slaughtering it 20 vs 1... Maby I too can learn to bravely run away from even odds aswell, but that is so advanced it will likely take years to master.. Problem with bringing a "proper" PvP ship solo into 0.0 is that you will eventually get blobbed, and it is usually sooner than later.. So I bring one with a cloaking device and jump you when the situation is in my favor.. Why does that make you so sad? This playstyle really is just the product of blobs, if it is not viable to fly a "real" ship, then you look at other options. Is it not easier to just pay attention to the game, then you will never get caught ratting, and people like me would never be of any real danger to pro PvP'ers such as the angry people in here... It is really hilarious how you automatically assume that because I like to hunt ratters, I must then not be able to do anything else.. It is like assuming that ratters only rat because they are incapable of anything else than dumb predictable rats doing the same routine over and over... Let's not even get started on miners with this train of thought... I dunno about all that, I'm just saying if you get a free pass on the NPCs not attacking you then I ought to be able to rat in a PvP fit ship to make things fair. After all, you are looking for a good fight, right?
You are very able to rat in PvP fit ships.. It is not nearly as profitable tho.. It limits the variety of anomalies if you intend to do them solo, then you will just have to team up with friends and maby even bring logistics.. And I suspect that is where your trouble is, you are too greedy to rat in a PvP ship right? Because it is not profitable enough for you..
However....
I am not the one you should argue the promised AI with. Why do you feel like it is up to me how CCP choses to handle the game? Can I blame you for lack of officerspawns then? Really I am like I have stated numerous times before merely asking for an estimate on how long till it will be ready..
Why do you feel this need to debate the workings of gamemechanics with me? |

Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
133
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Posted - 2013.02.21 02:23:00 -
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the change was suposed to make npcing more pvp like, all it did was make pveing safer patch failed.
Failure to agree with this may result in angry war decs to show what real pvp is. |

Singira
Snowflake Federation Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
48
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Posted - 2013.02.21 02:28:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:the change was suposed to make npcing more pvp like, all it did was make pveing safer patch failed.
Failure to agree with this may result in angry war decs to show what real pvp is.
Quoted for truth. |

Vegine
Sphere Foundation
15
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Posted - 2013.02.21 02:50:00 -
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Lilan Kahn wrote:the change was suposed to make npcing more pvp like, all it did was make pveing safer patch failed.
Failure to agree with this may result in angry war decs to show what real pvp is.
acutally in this specific case it proves PVE is becoming more dangerous than PVP, and " suppose to make npcing more pvp like" did succeeded splendidly as intended. I mean, how would you explain all those rat destroyed pvp wrecks otherwise ?
and since now pve has gotten more dangerous than pvp, to show what other people "what pvp means" would require you to PVE all day succeed at it before others would take you seriosly. |

Singira
Snowflake Federation Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
48
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Posted - 2013.02.21 02:54:00 -
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Vegine wrote:Lilan Kahn wrote:the change was suposed to make npcing more pvp like, all it did was make pveing safer patch failed.
Failure to agree with this may result in angry war decs to show what real pvp is. acutally in this specific case it proves PVE is becoming more dangerous than PVP, and " suppose to make npcing more pvp like" did succeeded splendidly as intended. I mean, how would you explain all those rat destroyed pvp wrecks otherwise  ? and since now pve has gotten more dangerous than pvp, to show what other people "what pvp means" would require you to PVE all day succeed at it before others would take you seriosly.
Don't blame you for using a posting alt in this case. |

Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
423
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:29:00 -
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Singira wrote: Don't blame you for using a posting alt in this case.
Your time would be better spent paying attention to red squiggly lines under your terribad spelling than doing opposition research on other posters. How can you expect anyone to respect your opinion when you cannot even spell the word ... not even with software assistance.
You asked for a more specific estimate on when the promised AI changes can be expected. As the horse has now been flogged into a quivering pile of European foodstuff, I think you can safely assume that your request for more precision has been denied. If you are not familiar with CCP's usual answer of "soon" when asked similar questions, then all I can offer you in condolence is the following:
Welcome to Eve, nub.
http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |

Larloch TheAncient
Corporation for Public Broadcasting What Alliance
45
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:38:00 -
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I think we can all agree that this thread is closed.
Let the whining "leet" PVP'er go somewhere else.
P.S. I found it increasingly hilarious that after you spend all this time ranting about how your doing "real" PVP, you state that if you attempt to bring a "real" PVP ship, you encounter "real" resistance and you don't like that.
I think you should change your career to suicide ganking in highsec, where you can easily find pray and then gank when your prepared blob free. |

Singira
Snowflake Federation Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
48
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:16:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Singira wrote: Don't blame you for using a posting alt in this case.
Your time would be better spent paying attention to red squiggly lines under your terribad spelling than doing opposition research on other posters. How can you expect anyone to respect your opinion when you cannot even spell the word ... not even with software assistance. You asked for a more specific estimate on when the promised AI changes can be expected. As the horse has now been flogged into a quivering pile of European foodstuff, I think you can safely assume that your request for more precision has been denied. If you are not familiar with CCP's usual answer of "soon" when asked similar questions, then all I can offer you in condolence is the following: Welcome to Eve, nub.
Well if you didn't notice then 90% of your own post has these red squiggly lines under it....  So this automated correction is not really working well. English is not my first language, so what you think of my spelling really could not be less important to me.
This is for you http://goo.gl/fYrfC
Larloch TheAncient wrote:I think we can all agree that this thread is closed.
Let the whining "leet" PVP'er go somewhere else.
P.S. I found it increasingly hilarious that after you spend all this time ranting about how your doing "real" PVP, you state that if you attempt to bring a "real" PVP ship, you encounter "real" resistance and you don't like that.
I think you should change your career to suicide ganking in highsec, where you can easily find pray and then gank when your prepared blob free.
I did not talk about "real" pvp, that was all of you angry bears..
I did not call myself leet.
I pointed out the flaws in your argument about ratterhunting beeing "risk-free" and easy.
I asked a simple question, and stated I was bored with the other forms of PvP I was now forced to stick to.
But apparently reading and understanding is hard..
Fortunately I just thought of something to pass the time untill the AI is ready. |

amurder Hakomairos
Fellowship Of Lost Souls Rebel Alliance of New Eden
27
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:53:00 -
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Singira wrote:amurder Hakomairos wrote:Singira wrote:amurder Hakomairos wrote:You can have the "new AI" that will never attack you when they change PvE so that we can do it in PvP fit ships. I'm sure there will be crying over that as well. Im sorry my PvP preferences does not meet the more common standards of beeing brave and pro in a 50-400man blob, and bravely do what the FC tells you.. Im sure I too will learn to be a mindless peon too someday.. Untill then I will just have to make do with the easy stuff like slipping through terribad gatecamps consisting of brave pro pvp'ers who boldly sit on gates for hours waiting for a lonely ship to jump in then bravely slaughtering it 20 vs 1... Maby I too can learn to bravely run away from even odds aswell, but that is so advanced it will likely take years to master.. Problem with bringing a "proper" PvP ship solo into 0.0 is that you will eventually get blobbed, and it is usually sooner than later.. So I bring one with a cloaking device and jump you when the situation is in my favor.. Why does that make you so sad? This playstyle really is just the product of blobs, if it is not viable to fly a "real" ship, then you look at other options. Is it not easier to just pay attention to the game, then you will never get caught ratting, and people like me would never be of any real danger to pro PvP'ers such as the angry people in here... It is really hilarious how you automatically assume that because I like to hunt ratters, I must then not be able to do anything else.. It is like assuming that ratters only rat because they are incapable of anything else than dumb predictable rats doing the same routine over and over... Let's not even get started on miners with this train of thought... I dunno about all that, I'm just saying if you get a free pass on the NPCs not attacking you then I ought to be able to rat in a PvP fit ship to make things fair. After all, you are looking for a good fight, right? You are very able to rat in PvP fit ships.. It is not nearly as profitable tho.. It limits the variety of anomalies if you intend to do them solo, then you will just have to team up with friends and maby even bring logistics.. And I suspect that is where your trouble is, you are too greedy to rat in a PvP ship right? Because it is not profitable enough for you.. However.... I am not the one you should argue the promised AI with. Why do you feel like it is up to me how CCP choses to handle the game? Can I blame you for lack of officerspawns then? Really I am like I have stated numerous times before merely asking for an estimate on how long till it will be ready.. Why do you feel this need to debate the workings of gamemechanics with me?
Just playing devils advocate/sparking conversation. To be honest, I don't like the AI changes any more than you do. |

Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos Whores in space
133
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:23:00 -
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too little too lately, you wanted good fights right? jita 4-4 any time you want. |

Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
223
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:27:00 -
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OP, I'm curious about one thing, why do you think that any update AI change will benefit "gankers?"
It could be that an update to the AI would have -every- NPC ship target a new comer and destroy them.
It could be that an update to the AI would cause the ships to exclusively e-war any new comer.
I haven't seen any indication that an update to the rat AI would guarantee incoming ships safety in some manner.
I don't think the AI will ever revert back to blithely ignoring new ships landing on grid.
It would be cool if they took standings into account but who knows what any AI update would do or is there a dev blog somewhere that talks about it?
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Singira
Snowflake Federation Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
48
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:18:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:OP, I'm curious about one thing, why do you think that any update AI change will benefit "gankers?"
It could be that an update to the AI would have -every- NPC ship target a new comer and destroy them.
It could be that an update to the AI would cause the ships to exclusively e-war any new comer.
I haven't seen any indication that an update to the rat AI would guarantee incoming ships safety in some manner.
I don't think the AI will ever revert back to blithely ignoring new ships landing on grid.
It would be cool if they took standings into account but who knows what any AI update would do or is there a dev blog somewhere that talks about it?
Well I am only going by what CCP FoxFour originally said before the current AI was added. And I have no issues with it not reverting completely to the old standard, but currently it prioritizes E-War very heavily meaning not only similar sig-radius stuff will switch, but practically everything.. Even the ship the ratter is currently shooting at will switch, and that is a bit over the top imho.. I'll just quote my own post from page 1 with the link and statement from CCP FoxFour for your reading pleasure.
Singira wrote:For the ones who have no damn clue what im talking about.. CCP FoxFour wrote:
- After Retribution we will be making a change to the AI so that they only consider damage being dealt to them as something to increase a targets threat. That way when you warp in to kill someone running an anomaly shooting the player does not make the NPC hate you.
- Also after Retribution, and on the same topic as the previous point, we will be making it so that unless you do something like shoot the NPC or repair a player the NPC won't take your signature radius into account when evaluating targets. Even with the above change without this one frigates would still switch targets.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2158421#post2158421Now stick to this please, rather than crying your eyes out cause not everyone shares your white knight approach to pvp. |

Viribus
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
120
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Posted - 2013.02.24 06:49:00 -
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Holy christ this thread is painful, I bet these are the same people that think PVP should be consensual
Carebears are cancer |

Neal Sparks
buzz lightyears intergalactic snazzy pants
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Posted - 2013.02.24 14:05:00 -
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show me on the doll where the big nasty npc touched you |
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