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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1008
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Posted - 2013.02.19 13:43:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:True that. I'm sure I'm not alone in taking pride in making murder possible, even if I didn't get on the km. Yep, besides that's what ECM drones are for... The logi pilot knows he's an integral part of the team. If fleet-mates broadcast on time and the alpha isn't so bad, logi will turn defeat into victory. Any fleet with logi that dies is because it didn't have enough logi to take on the threat - and that's the FC's problem not logi's problem. Serious people won't even undock until they reach a certain logi:dps ratio.
I was in a fail alliance, and they never grasped the concept of logi needing to be MINIMUM of 25% of a fleet.
Darkside or PL would come calling with a ratio of 30% or better, and even though we had superior overall numbers, we would get hammered. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Tribal Band
390
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Posted - 2013.02.19 22:27:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:There is. The one that wins the battle is the one with the best logi pilots. That's all the metric you need. I can't even begin to tell you how untrue that is. Better logi is better, sure, but there are so many mitigating factors that it is entirely possible, in fact common, for crap logi to not cause a failure. It's also rather common (in PVP) for good logi to die horribly.
-á"The Mittani: Hated By Badposters
i'm strangely comfortable with it"
-Mittens |
Krazynikomo
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
38
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:32:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
How about you stop recruiting morons who care about killboards and recruit smart people? |
Vigo Carpath
Barr Heavy Industries
Test Alliance Please Ignore
5
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:35:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
Killmails don't measure anything. I'm terrible and my KB is well in the green |
Nog Sidewinder
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:42:00 -
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Merouk Baas wrote:
To the OP, as if bringing an expensive logi ship to your sucky fleet is any joy. Also, when is the last time you said "thank you" to them, or "good job logis."
That sucks, I hear praise of logi both during the fight on a good save, and afterwards from FC and others, on every single fleet that brings them along. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
393
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Posted - 2013.02.19 23:45:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Then I also want the miner who made the minerals, the manufacturer of the modules and the trader that sold the ammunition on a killmail, too, like every other kill enabler that isn't directly involved in the kill.
Eh, thats different. Those guys arent directly responsible for the outcome of a conflict. Logistics can be the difference between winning and losing a battle.
As a side note:
Why are they called Logistics pilots anyway? I thought Logistics meant Shipping? Since when did it mean repair? I mean, when I think of Logistics, I think of either
1. UPS
2. My S4 department in the Marines that dealt moving stuff from A --> B
"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB |
Rain6637
Team Evil
483
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Posted - 2013.02.20 00:25:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Then I also want the miner who made the minerals, the manufacturer of the modules and the trader that sold the ammunition on a killmail, too, like every other kill enabler that isn't directly involved in the kill. Eh, thats different. Those guys arent directly responsible for the outcome of a conflict. Logistics can be the difference between winning and losing a battle.
iunno, i thought it was a valid point, actually.
//logi proof: this is a main
(the two newest characters are on that fast track to perfect multi racial logi that I mentioned in my first post of this thread)
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics
K162
94
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Posted - 2013.02.20 03:00:00 -
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Reward your logis with extra spoils from victory.
edit: and pay for their ships :) |
Rain6637
Team Evil
484
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:42:00 -
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fact checking time: the 18 out of 241 medics who earned the Expert Field Medical Badge are listed at the bottom of this news release pdf. CCP folks on the forums can find my name among them, which is the same as my account info including email.
just for who is interested. because it's not a small issue when people claim "false valor" and the EFMB is earned by less than 1% of US Army medics.
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
ChaseX
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
24
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:49:00 -
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Degren wrote:Thats what happens when you worry about killboard stats, dipshit.
what he said. flying logistics is fun for me and i couldn't care less about killmails or people that require killboard links for e-fame.
Rain6637 wrote:fact checking time: the 18 out of 241 medics who earned the Expert Field Medical Badge are listed at the bottom of this news release pdf. CCP folks on the forums can find my name among them, which is the same as my account info including email. just for who is interested. because it's not a small issue when people claim "false valor" and the EFMB is earned by less than 1% of US Army medics.
does anyone here actually care? don't think so |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
484
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:00:00 -
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I do. I like when people quantify their claims and show proof.
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Chenlab
Wise Guys
Tribal Band
2
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:21:00 -
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I couldn't help but role my eyes!! |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1313
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Posted - 2013.02.20 12:05:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
Or you could just assist your drones to a combat pilot and end up on mails, idk which sounds easier, new coding or you learning game mechanics.... |
Rain6637
Team Evil
484
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:31:00 -
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there's so much character in this thread, I just... I'm so glad to meet such great people
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Rain6637
Team Evil
486
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:04:00 -
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there's so much character in this thread, I just... I'm so glad to meet such great people
ChaseX wrote:
does anyone here actually care? don't think so
.oh you care. you just don't like it.
Chenlab wrote:I couldn't help but role my eyes!!
guys i wanna say you made my day with the hate. every time i sense hate, this song plays in my head, and i -really- like this song. haters gonna hate
&**(^(*&(^ double posted again **(^(*& that is -so- uncool, AND this is my villainous monologue!
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
ChaseX
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 07:56:00 -
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typical u.s. egocentric view. i just can tell you, there is not much left on the world i clould care less about than your whatever badge in the army. it is sad enough that we (mankind) need to fight wars and it is even more sad that people like you are proud about it.
people like you will call me whatever cause i don't like the army and i rather wipe old peoples asses before i will do military service but maybe you should just open up your mental horizon to more than your u.s. "superstate". |
Rain6637
Team Evil
487
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:11:00 -
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I didn't call you anything, just pointing out that you cared enough to post about something.
my mind's tellin me noooo but my body, my body's tellin me yeyyyeessss
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2979
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:31:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:My alliance typically fields almost twice as many logistics ships in a fight than we do combat ships. It's a deficiency of the people you fly with.
Tiny alliance with a bunch of logi alts =/= large alliance filling strategic fleets.
That said, you can always set up a high SP requirement doctrine. I think the line DPS / support ratio on HBC Foxcat fleets is something like 1 / 4.
That, or just stop branding yourself as a "leet pvp" group. Those groups tend to attract KM whores and ganker types, not what you're looking for.
TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
972
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:58:00 -
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Oxandrolone wrote:In every game ever most people want to to be a DPS and not a healer/tank.
What I think they should do it make logi apear on killmail of any ship they have repped.
You know the great thing about this game? You can be both...and sometimes at the same time. Carry drones for christ's sake!
We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX! |
Bane Veradun
Black Sun Dawning
3
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:33:00 -
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Stop using kill mails as a measurement. They are not important, this has been proven.
While you only co-opt the darkness for your petty purposes, I was borne of the darkness.
Malcanis for CSM 8 |
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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
266
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:17:00 -
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You need pilots.
You have killmail whores.
See the differance? |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2013.02.21 21:53:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:My alliance typically fields almost twice as many logistics ships in a fight than we do combat ships. It's a deficiency of the people you fly with.
Or a choice.
You either like that game style or you don't.
*removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
609
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:08:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
shut up
"Also, your boobs  " -á
CCP Eterne, 2012
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
7761
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:4runner wrote:When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at We always give our logi a pat on the back after a big fight.
Same in INIT. In fact I remember the incredible day when our FC actually said "no more logis, guys, we have enough".
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Rain6637
Team Evil
495
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Posted - 2013.02.22 00:49:00 -
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hah. or you could just... field a drone DPS logi fleet
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Diamond Bull
State War Academy
Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2013.02.22 05:04:00 -
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4runner wrote:When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at
That is the "healing" role in a nut shell no matter what game it is.
The few times I went to big fleets I went as a Logi and felt like we (as a group) were getting **** on. That was alliance level. My corp is pretty cool. The few times I used Logi with them I go some praise for saving the shield tanked Onyx with my duel boxed guardians and pissing off some random guys who thought they should be able to kill him. Was fun!
My experience with other MMOs is that meters, DPS or Healing, can go two ways. Either it will increase competition to be the best and therefore performance or it will create a culture of people yelling at the last place folks. I encourage the former but Eve is pretty much all about being an ******* so I imagine it would end up the latter. |
Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1987
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Posted - 2013.02.22 05:07:00 -
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Diamond Bull wrote:4runner wrote:When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at That is the "healing" role in a nut shell no matter what game it is.
Only if you have incompetent leaders that don't realize the importance of healers.
I try to be understanding when people talk about this stuff, but really....REALLY...all I hear is 'mad cause bad'
OP is bored/outraged/emotional? -áCheck. -áOP is in high sec? -áCheck. -áOP is in NPC or solo corp? -áCheck. -áOP demands CCP fix the situation? -áCheck. -áLaugh at OP |
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