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GalacticViceroy
Astral Command
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:30:00 -
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to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5281
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:31:00 -
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You need better pilots. We almost never have a shortage of logi pilots. |
Abrazzar
822
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:33:00 -
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Then I also want the miner who made the minerals, the manufacturer of the modules and the trader that sold the ammunition on a killmail, too, like every other kill enabler that isn't directly involved in the kill.
Mining Overhaul
Nothing changed since 2008. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
325
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:34:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:You need better pilots. We almost never have a shortage of logi pilots.
I would of though more friends would be the answer. I am not sure why better pilots make his shortage of logi go away. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1077
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:35:00 -
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My alliance typically fields almost twice as many logistics ships in a fight than we do combat ships. It's a deficiency of the people you fly with. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2204
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Posted - 2013.02.18 18:58:00 -
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Stop flying with a bunch of killmail whores and start flying with a bunch of people who know what the hell 'teamwork' really means.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
243
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:05:00 -
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Your fleets consist of Terrible players then? Your Pilots suck, fly with better players instead of KM Whores. |
Merouk Baas
562
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:15:00 -
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No, he's saying he wants healing meters. He already has DPS meters via the killboards (he can tell who did the most DPS), but killboards don't support healing meters, and he'd like to see which of the logi pilots actually repair damage and which don't do squat.
To the OP, as if bringing an expensive logi ship to your sucky fleet is any joy. Also, when is the last time you said "thank you" to them, or "good job logis." |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
1261
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:45:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. We need a new system to measure the repair amount. Just like killmails. if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
There is. The one that wins the battle is the one with the best logi pilots. That's all the metric you need. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
199
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Posted - 2013.02.18 19:51:00 -
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It depends where you're coming from.
If you're talking incursions, I can't see (apart from the lack of training) the resistance in flying logis, it's the cheapest way to get into a fleet, and doesn't cost you ammo while you're in it for the same reward as a guy firing T2 ammo.
If you're talking PvP fights, then maybe logis get frustrated by late broadcasts, being quick to die, and because they don't bring any fire to the firefight, being under appreciated.
I've flown logi a few times, I've got a logi char that can do armor, shield, and can fly all 4 races so it gives the best choice depending on what the flavour of the month is.
But don't forget, a lot of PvP'ers are killmail whores, so they've got no interest in spending ages training up something that won't get them on the mail.
Plus, if you're flying a combat ship it's quite acceptable to fly it without max skills, but most logi fits are so tightly worked that you need to have a lot of level 5 skills to get them to work.
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4runner
Eternal Profiteers
Eternal Syndicate
15
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Posted - 2013.02.18 20:10:00 -
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When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at |
Dark Drifter
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
64
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Posted - 2013.02.18 20:16:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:My alliance typically fields almost twice as many logistics ships in a fight than we do combat ships. It's a deficiency of the people you fly with.
... what you mean by this is that every pilot in your alliance has 2 neutral logistics alts. its not the same thing. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
Bitten.
131
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:24:00 -
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In every game ever most people want to to be a DPS and not a healer/tank.
What I think they should do it make logi apear on killmail of any ship they have repped. |
Arronicus
Brave Newbies Inc.
210
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Posted - 2013.02.18 22:27:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote: if we measure the repair amount then logi pilots will be gained the success measurement system.
Wrong forum. I believe you meant to post here: http://www.engrish.com/ |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:15:00 -
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He's speaking to us in our language because we're too stupid to understand him in his. So, you make a comment implying the deficiency is his. That no make-uh sense . . . in any language.
To the original point, there is no way to measure all the things that go into a kill (or a failure to get a kill). You'd have to measure how many jams were successful, how much energy was neutralized, what level of efficiency each module in the fight was being used at, whether some dude in a Machariel was bumping one of the combatants, etc., etc., etc. A simpler solution would be to remove the "damage done" and "final blow" metrics from killmails and just list the parties involved. It's all about teamwork, after all. Am I right? |
Hixeppa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
83
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:21:00 -
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Logis = alts ships. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
475
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Posted - 2013.02.19 00:46:00 -
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year 1: perfect core skills, perfect basilisk pilot. next four months: cross train into perfect racial logis.
landing reps before someone asks for it, especially when they're not used to having reps feels kinda good.
on comms,"oh yeah... rain is here."
yeah baby
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
Cosmic Consortium
3113
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:43:00 -
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GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone.
So find pilots to fly logistics for you who love playing healers in other games and aren't slaves to their K/D ratio.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
693
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Posted - 2013.02.19 01:55:00 -
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True that. I'm sure I'm not alone in taking pride in making murder possible, even if I didn't get on the km.
Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
476
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Posted - 2013.02.19 02:03:00 -
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hah. i was a medic in the Army. a l337 one. expert shot, perfect PT score. I was in the shower just now, and thinking it might take the psychology of a selfless and aggressive person to make a good logi.
http://themittani.com/ | http://evenews24.com/ || Vincent Athena-á||-áflycatcher waaaaat |
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Arronicus
Vintas Industries
Mistakes Were Made.
217
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:13:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:He's speaking to us in our language because we're too stupid to understand him in his. So, you make a comment implying the deficiency is his. That no make-uh sense . . . in any language.
Speak for yourself, we aren't ALL incompetent in other languages. I must admit, I am amused to the level of offence you took at my joke. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1079
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:39:00 -
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Dark Drifter wrote:... what you mean by this is that every pilot in your alliance has 2 neutral logistics alts. its not the same thing.
How is pilots flying logistics ships not the same as pilots flying logistics ships? |
Degren
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1970
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Posted - 2013.02.19 03:48:00 -
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Thats what happens when you worry about killboard stats, dipshit.
Hello again, friends. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5297
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Posted - 2013.02.19 08:40:00 -
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4runner wrote:When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at
We always give our logi a pat on the back after a big fight. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
803
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:03:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:GalacticViceroy wrote:to find logistic pilots getting harder in fleet. Because the kills more important to repair someone. So find pilots to fly logistics for you who love playing healers in other games and aren't slaves to their K/D ratio.
I'm someone who really, really enjoys playing healers in other games, I regularly fly logistics in EVE - and I hate it.
Logistics in EVE is like playing a healer class with a single spell and infinite mana.
What makes healing in other games challenging/interesting is balancing throughput vs mana and absorbs vs predictive healing vs reactive healing.
(In pvp another aspect of healing is to draw the enemies' attention and make him use his cc & long cooldown spells via fake casting, your often powerful self protection skills, ...)
In EVE all your logistics setups are cap stable, the only throughput-related decision you can make is when to overheat, absorbs don't exist at all and while predictive healing would be desirable in armor fleets the reality is that incoming damage is applied almost instantly (and without a predictable pattern) and fleets are too large for logis to do more than to react to (late) broadcasts.
I wish CCP would at least give us some "extreme throughput that will drain your cap within seconds" option to make logistics more interesting to fly.
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
247
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Posted - 2013.02.19 09:33:00 -
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4runner wrote:When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at
Then you have terrible pilots. Logi will ******* do everything to keep you alive. If you can't grasp that, you should just be reduced to flying frigates. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1083
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Posted - 2013.02.19 11:11:00 -
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4runner wrote:When Logis do great job nobody cares but as soon as they make mistakes they get shouted at
When my Bhaalgorn a) Has cap and b) Does not explode I am typically pretty grateful.
It isn't CCPs job to correct the crappy attitude of your corpmates. |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
97
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Posted - 2013.02.19 12:55:00 -
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Rain6637
other games [:=d wrote: i was a medic in the Army. a l337 one. expert shot, perfect PT score. ... snip ... i DIGRESS. GOOD TIMES
It must be a state of mind thing - I'm also ex-military field medic and my FW character is focussed on logi.
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Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
72
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Posted - 2013.02.19 13:03:00 -
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I once played i game that has a meter that showed the damage and healer done by the players, it was pretty cool.
The meter was so awesome that we send as much time analyzing the numbers as we did playing the game, why spend time killing the dragon and saving the princess when you can analyze numbers and whine and shout about how much everyone sucks... |
Ptraci
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
1268
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Posted - 2013.02.19 13:08:00 -
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Psychotic Monk wrote:True that. I'm sure I'm not alone in taking pride in making murder possible, even if I didn't get on the km.
Yep, besides that's what ECM drones are for...
The logi pilot knows he's an integral part of the team. If fleet-mates broadcast on time and the alpha isn't so bad, logi will turn defeat into victory. Any fleet with logi that dies is because it didn't have enough logi to take on the threat - and that's the FC's problem not logi's problem. Serious people won't even undock until they reach a certain logi:dps ratio. |
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