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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:05:00 -
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One of my corp mates just got his FOURTH tech II BPO. Now admittedly, he's made basically no Isk off them yet, as the first 3 were not great tech II guns, and the fourth is brand new and a drone, so who knows how they'll sell.
But he's got 4, all on the same character, and 3 OF THEM FROM THE SAME AGENT.
I'm sorry, that's started to stretch the "totally random chance thing a bit". I know it's not an exploit and he's not some buddy of CCPs, so I'm not suggesting there's anything *improper* going on, but I'd have to suggest the system isn't properly random. Perhaps the code used in distribution is bugged?
BW
PS. Yes, I admit it, I'm not impartial, part of the reason I'm annoyed is because I have 5 1 year+ reseach projects and no offers yet...
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:12:00 -
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The T2 lottery is total crap, it's such a sham...
Answer is NO, it is not working properly...
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:16:00 -
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I'm sure you'll hear a lot of players agreeing with you on this, and I'd be one of them. I've heard stories like yours, and it definitely doesn't give a warm and fuzzy feeling about the lottery.
Now the real question would be, will you see an official response about this in this thread?
As an aside, I for one appreciate the honesty of coming here and telling people about this. A lot of people would just keep it quiet and make their bojillions off the bps, knowing there's an issue.
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Summersnow
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Now the real question would be, will you see an official response about this in this thread?
Working as intended....
Sorry, but thats about as official as its gonna get I suspect :-p
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OFFT
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:26:00 -
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I for one think the system is FUBAR.
Still waiting for anything ....
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:32:00 -
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If anything, such incidences suggest to me that it is pseudo-random/close to true random.
The reason is clustering.
Random patterns are not uniform and it is a fact that you get clusters.
This would manifest itself by some people getting zero, some getting just one ever and some getting several, sometimes from a single agent, if the R&D lottery approaches true random.
Incidentally, none of the above is an argument for the existing system which I think is unimaginative and does very little to provide intermediate rewards for scientist characters or benefits for co-operative work.
However, it really, really does not surprise me that some people get very, very lucky.
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:32:00 -
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quite a while ago Papa Smurf had a sticky thread on the subject in the agent forum ... that's long gone now and i don't have the dates for it
.. but i have been good enough to preserve one of his posts from that thread:
Originally by: Papa Smurf
I'm still collecting data on the subject. Occasionally I need data of different types of data than I have, and thus it's to some degree related to our "patching schedule". Sometimes I can add things at the DB level, sometimes I can check in runtime, sometimes I can hotfix the server, and sometimes I need to wait for a patch.
Something is being done about it, but like it or not there are many things going on at CCP, and lots of them have high priority. Even something like this that does have very high priority does take time to analyze.
It certainly can happen, and the odds of it happening this often and you hearing about it are much better than the odds of anybody in the EVE subscriber base knowing anybody that had/will one the big one in the state lottery (or equivalent) sometime in their life.
That being said, this "repeat low-point winner syndrome" is still the incriminating evidence against the lottery machine that is solid enough to have made it worthwhile to spend days upon days debugging the research lottery, and I will continue analyzing it until I have convincing results.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:34:00 -
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I for one think the system is FUBAR.
Still waiting for anything ....
116422.88 RP @ 155.52 A Day
CCP doesn't know what Science and R&D mean.
I'm a Mechanical Engineer, I R&D machines, come up with new tech all the damn time.
I don't sit on my ass waiting for a blueprint to fall in my lap... 
CCP took the easy way out, instead of developing a true R&D system where effort & hard work yeild results, they implemented a system that only requires dumb f'ing luck...
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Weebear
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:35:00 -
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I think the fact that the first 3 were deemed crap means that he is is maybe running missions in a field that isn't too attractive for a corp that not a lot of people run for, which will increase his chances a lot.
Too many people run missions in Starship Engineering, and then wonder why they don't get a BPO :/ |
Dr Smith
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:36:00 -
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Seriously, does agent lottery work properly?
no
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
The reason is clustering.
Random patterns are not uniform and it is a fact that you get clusters.
I agree, from a statistical standpoint clustering is inevitable. However, given the number of people taking part in the research lottery the sheer amount of clustering that's going on is very suspect.
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Khargos
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Posted - 2005.07.28 16:59:00 -
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1100RP per day caldari starship engineering , 5 agents, all high end lvl 4 or 3. over half a million RP, and NOTHING.
im so bitter.
would a dev please comment on this?
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Oosel
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:01:00 -
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you have to get past the lottery thing as it clearly isnt......we have one guy in our corp now who has come up trumps no less than 6 times which even in lottery terms the odds would be amazing.....every single other member who all started research on the same day well over a year ago havent had a sniff but as he has been so lucky we cant really whine about it but it does seem very suspect the certain peeps are getting multiple hits in the supposed lottery
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Tokka Konnair
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Khargos
1100RP per day caldari starship engineering , 5 agents, all high end lvl 4 or 3. over half a million RP, and NOTHING.
im so bitter.
would a dev please comment on this?
all agents in Caldari Starship Engineering? if so you're part of the problem ... please leave
i have to admit i have 3 tech II BPOs: 2 small guns and a 10MN afterburner ... i like to think the reason for this is that i avoided the starship engineering fields and went mostly for the fields without multipliers
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Khargos
would a dev please comment on this?
At this point I'd be happy enough to see a note from any non-player, stating that the issue has at least caught the attention of someone and research (irony!) into whether there is a problem or not is actually occurring.
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Xachariah
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:05:00 -
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There were 8000 tech2 BPs dished out, iirc from the "20 questions to the devs"-thread.
Now how big is the chance, that a person that got one BP with a adequate amount of RPs will announce his win on the forum?
Now how big is the chance, that a person with half a million RPs and no BP will announce his grief at the forums?
Now how big is the chance, that a person with 4 BPs will tell his story?
Go figure yourself.
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1100RP per day caldari starship engineering , 5 agents, all high end lvl 4 or 3. over half a million RP, and NOTHING.
This is the reason, imho. From all those threads out there, that I read, I slowly got the impression that half of the Research projects out there are caldari starship engineering, 40% are the other races starship engineering :)
Seriously, this field is giving the least BPs and has the largest competition, what do you expect?
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Exarch
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:10:00 -
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I've got over 700,000 rp in caldari starship over 5 agents, there are so many people your chance in certain fields is nearly 0 so don't expect anything. Remember some fields have many more bpos then others with fewer researchers.
I'll also take the current system over an agent grind system witch is just as bad, switching the advantage to 13 year olds who can play 16 hours a day. The current system is as equal as it gets in a mmo.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:11:00 -
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Advancing tech should not be reduced to a goddamn golden horseshoe up your ass lottery.
Who the hell cares about statistics & clustering!
A Chanced based reverse engineering/R&D system using Meta Mods in varying quantities based on skill levels & yes some luck, should result in higher tech BPO's or max run BPC's.
The current system is beyond a joke, and very irritating.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Bhaal
The current system is beyond a joke, and very irritating.
I doubt anyone would disagree with you. And if they did, they're probably people who started a research agent last week and already have like three BPOs.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2005.07.28 17:47:00 -
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It must be working because I never win anything r/t and that is mirrored perfectly in the game.
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jbob2000
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Posted - 2005.07.28 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: jbob2000
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That's a very interesting set of points.
Personally, I think that releasing BCSs more frequently intead of ultra rare BPOs will allow the same level of "rareness" to the end products, but still allow more people to take part in the whole process.
You'd have to reduce the amount of BPOs out there then to keep the balance.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.07.28 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: jbob2000
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: jbob2000
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That's a very interesting set of points.
Personally, I think that releasing BCSs more frequently intead of ultra rare BPOs will allow the same level of "rareness" to the end products, but still allow more people to take part in the whole process.
You'd have to reduce the amount of BPOs out there then to keep the balance.
Actually, part of my suggestion has always been to update all BPOs with high run BPCs. Get rid of the originals entirely.
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:03:00 -
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It works for me. Of course those that have yet to get BPO will says it hasn't.
There are winners and lossers, your mate is a winner. Good luck to him. The rest of you lossers, STFU please and stop moaning.
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: OFFT
I for one think the system is FUBAR.
Still waiting for anything ....
116422.88 RP @ 155.52 A Day
226265.9 RP @ 753.25 per day split over 5 projects and sadly for you Im not even extreme, I have even been blessed with BPO's wich has lowered my total points.
The problem with the system is its pure luck, I dont know of anyone that regularly do the R&D missions in order to get ahead, the work simply isnt worth it.
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Pherus
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:47:00 -
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Yup, it does work, unfortunately the system is inherently flawed.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.07.28 20:48:00 -
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It's because you guys barely have any RP's. My team has a few hundred agents. The RP total is probably close to 30 million.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.28 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Kineli
It's because you guys barely have any RP's. My team has a few hundred agents. The RP total is probably close to 30 million.
The reason one guy with few RPs scored four blueprints, is because he barely has any RP's? Please elaborate.
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Gavin Kineli
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Posted - 2005.07.28 21:15:00 -
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Viator BPO - 5000 RP
2X Cerb BPO 14k RP total.
It's random.
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2005.07.28 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gavin Kineli
Viator BPO - 5000 RP
2X Cerb BPO 14k RP total.
It's random.
So your previous post was a flat lie?
I still don't understand what you're getting at. Try posting a bit more than three three-word sentences
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Daniel Jackson
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Posted - 2005.07.28 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bobby Wilson
I'm annoyed is because I have 5 1 year+ reseach projects and no offers yet...
ya same with my corp m8 hes has ALOT of research agents and that hes doing projects wiuth and he has great skills and almost like 6.00 with most tof the corps and almost 10.0 standing with 1 of them and hes been trying to get a offer for over a year now and sttill never gotton a offer YET!
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