RUSROG and Deopheel are liars

No, Sorry, it is an honest question.

I honestly do not know what RMT stands for and I am too lazy to go through all the forums to find out ...

So what is it ?

RUSROG and Deopheel are liars

No, Sorry, it is an honest question.

I honestly do not know what RMT stands for and I am too lazy to go through all the forums to find out ...

So what is it ?

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Alliance leaders get their cronies to mine and rat for them while simultaneously sucking their e-penises so they can then sell it for money.

Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Alliance leaders get their cronies to mine and rat for them while simultaneously sucking their e-penises so they can then sell it for money.

Lyris knows about it

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Please investigate everyone in 0.0, you can't really miss by picking at random to be honest, but you wont do that since you want the subs.

Yes

and to add insult to injury, YOU as the new recruit assume the role of a small cog in the machine that does this (and to a large extent you fund yourself in this role). Promises of ship replacement programs are hit and miss and all you really receive in return is a hall pass to get you through alliance gate camps.

Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?

I have you know that hypothetical corporation member Ibertizzle is just a very keen ratter and that there is nothing suspect about him at all.

he's hypothetically botting for your masters

Every 0.0 alliance I've been in had people selling isk for cash; either openly on alliance forums or through word of mouth.

he's hypothetically botting for your masters

This is true of all feudal systems, including those found in MMO guilds. This is not new news.

Yes, but why any sane person would PAY a subscription in order to perform the role of a SERF is still a mystery.

I chalk it up to ignorance about the game mechanics. That's why I keep posting to educate the masses.

train a few additional levels in reading comprehension

There is a hypothetical player - Ibertizzle - who is a very keen ratter and may not reply to conversation requests for a few hours (but who probably does nothing wrong).

There may or may not be a real player (obviously not named Ibertizzle) who may have served as inspiration for this hypothetical character (but who can say for sure?) and this real player may or may not run bots.

You are just trying to confuse these two characters...

train a few additional levels in reading comprehension

There is a hypothetical player - Ibertizzle - who is a very keen ratter and may not reply to conversation requests for a few hours (but who probably does nothing wrong).

There may or may not be a real player (obviously not named Ibertizzle) who may have served as inspiration for this hypothetical character (but who can say for sure?) and this real player may or may not run bots.

You are just trying to confuse these two characters...

If it were a mystery then I suspect that every MMO ever wouldn't have simultaneously figured out how to use it to generate money for its developers.

Now that you understand your role as "Peasant Farmer and Cannon Fodder" for your Rulers... aren't you really enthusiastic to go join?

You just admitted to being an accomplice to violating the EULA and then covering it up to avoid action.

I am petitioning you right now.

Or they might be willing to pay a subscription fee just to play the game because they like it without regard to your personal gripes about null sec space politics in EVE Online a serious business game about spaceships. I mean, someone out there has to be paying CCP real money for subscriptions. I know that none of my squad mates actually pay real money for EVE, and I doubt many members of my corporation or alliance do either.

The PLEX gotta come from somewhere, may as well be your bitter ass.

goons ... trade photos of their genitals for isk/cap skills books

I'm not bitter. i'm just opposed to noob slavery.

Schr+¦dingers macro tengu

If you want to see the magnitude of the problem, google "eve isk". And thats just the public side. Members of the same corp, alliance or coalition can do RMT without a web site or suspicious isk transfers, as alliance members help each other out with isk or item transfers all the time. How can CCP tell if real money is also transferred?

Now there... You see? This gentleman has BALLS! He is clearly educated and WILL NOT SUBMIT.

VICTORY! One pilot at a time. Maybe in time he and others will organize and wipe the oppressing Oligarchs out of zero.

Anyway I'll keep posting for it.

Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?

And yet you perpetrate it by paying for your account with PLEX.
I am at least honest with my indifference to "noob slavery".

Are you hypothetically alleging that investigating the hypothetical Ibertizzle's ratting behavior would hypothetically cause that behavior to change?

I believe the OP was trolling to keep the botting issue in the headlines.

I have personally hunted down over 12 bots/isk farmers and CCP has given them at least temporary bans.

I stopped hunting them because of the great effort involved in documenting a good case to present to CCP.

Bots are everywhere , one of the favored methods for the RMT's and botters is highsec transportation lvl 4s - usually run in Bestower's.

First and foremost, it breaks the gameplay.

The most popular way for RMT sellers to get their hands on the product that theyGÇÖre peddling is to use bots to farm or abuse exploits. Neither is a case of the game being played as intended.

RMT also hurts the in-game economy. By bringing in extra resources and currency, it simply changes the relative scarcity of items, and thus alters their price.

Then thereGÇÖs the fact that RMT dealers also often engage in illegal activities including credit card fraud and hacking.

Finally, and possibly most surprising at least from a playerGÇÖs point of view is the fact that RMT dealers actually put a noticeable strain on a gameGÇÖs resources and systems both human (Customer Support) and hardware.

There is only one sure way to rid a game of RMT and bots - don't buy stuff from them.

No.. YOU are just a small useless cog who slaves away on one of the largest plantations in zero.
I really don't know how you can look yourself in the mirror each morning given such low self esteem.

I do not support the use of bots, but the arguments you make against them are rubbish.

A thing that Person A has does not invalidate the effort of Person B just because Person B does not have it, when it is entirely possible for Person B to acquire it. In this case, the "thing" is a bot. In order for RMT and botting to hurt the economy, there would have to be a monopoly by Person A or Group A on the RMT behavior or botting software. I am going to assume that this is not the case. So long as you, me, or anyone else so inclined can pick up a bot or engage in RMT then there exists no advantage or upset in favor of those who already do bot or RMT, except the advantage we give them by not participating. You are trying to white-knight the issue because it's the "good guy" thing to do, while framing your arguments in term of pragmatism that simply does not exist.

as if your counter arguement to that gents arguement isn't "full of rubbish" (as you put it). Really, anyone who can't see that botting distorts a game is pretty much an idiot.

I don't slave away in the space plantations or whatever the hell your gimmick is. I hardly even log in to this game. When I do, I fly Rifters and lead fleets of Rifters to do things that have no strategic importance. But even if I was a cog in the works, what of it? There is nothing wrong with being part of a group and enjoying your place in it. I'm a military veteran in real lifeGÇöyou're not going to convince me that teamwork and group cohesion while working towards a common goal are bad things. I doubt you will even convince the average kid reading this forum. What you will do is give me reasons to post, which in turn will increase my opportunities to receive "likes" here on the forums DOT eveonline DOT com.

Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...


UNLESS...

So you hardly log in? (snicker)

and you ARE a small useless tool.... you just admitted it. (snicker, snicker)

AND YOU'RE A REAL MILITARY VET (BWAHAHAHAHA! SNICKER, SNICKER)

You really must have a small *****.

Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...


UNLESS...

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

botting is not essentially equal to RMT

Just thought i would write it there.

It's true, it's pretty small.

I have a fetish for Male-to-Female pre-op transsexuals with penises significantly larger than mine.

Why would there be goon damage control in an RMT thread? That makes no sense at all...


UNLESS...

Cheese it, he's onto us!

e: This isn't damage control; this is me being bored in lecture.

I hear BP is hiring.

See now? That confession wasn't hard at all. And when you can admit to yourself how badly you are being used by your Masters, you'll be able to overcome your Stockholm Syndrome and join the Revolution like all the other self respecting podpilots of EVE. Chin up Comrade.. you aren't totally lost yet.

They're both against the EULA so what's your point?

Please investigate everyone in 0.0, you can't really miss by picking at random to be honest, but you wont do that since you want the subs.

Or I can just ignore your hurf blurf and play tanks.

But anyway who reads EULA apart those who playing the "i am smart" card on the forums.

See now? That confession wasn't hard at all.

Forgive me for being new but, isn't there any kind of CCP oversight out in the big alliance zones?

Also, how do you recognize a bot? And what's the best way to infiltrate alliance spaces?

Dear Pubbies,

Please stop making bad threads about things you don't understand.

Thanks,
Smart People

Is it true that a handful of people, through their alliances, control 50% of null sec space, and are using this position to engage in RMT?

I hardly even log in to this game. When I do, I fly Rifters and lead fleets of Rifters to do things that have no strategic importance. But even if I was a cog in the works, what of it? There is nothing wrong with being part of a group and enjoying your place in it. I'm a military veteran in real lifeGÇöyou're not going to convince me that teamwork and group cohesion while working towards a common goal are bad things.

It's true, it's pretty small.

I have a fetish for Male-to-Female pre-op transsexuals with penises significantly larger than mine.

I question the integrity of anyone electing to use an ad hominem argument rather than one based on merits.

Forgive me for being new but, isn't there any kind of CCP oversight out in the big alliance zones?

Also, how do you recognize a bot? And what's the best way to infiltrate alliance spaces?

Yes, listen and trust the Goon lol
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20111011.png

See, as far as Ive ever heard, DRF is goons, test alliance please ignore, red alliance, shadow of xxdeathxx, along with any alliance with RED in its name. If you look at just that, that 72% number doesnt seem so silly anymore
My question is what happens when 72% becomes 100% and those 0.0 pilots dont have anything to shoot at anymore and start getting bored?

But anyway who reads EULA apart those who playing the "i am smart" card on the forums.

I am personally looking forward to the day we unite all of null sec toward the goal of burning EVE to the ground.

I am personally looking forward to the day we unite all of null sec toward the goal of burning EVE to the ground.

CCP is everywhere. There are no NPC police, but the GMs are everywhere.

Getting into alliance space is easy, and I'm not just saying that because I want to shoot you. The cheap option is a covops. You fly around cloaked, don't fly directly from one gate to the next (to avoid bubbles) and keep your scanner going. Pr0 blackops people can easily run hostile gate camps in a covops to get a covert cyno deep into enemy territory. The expensive option is a T3 cruiser with a cloak and an interdiction nullifier. With the interdiction nulifier bubbles can't touch you, so running a nullsec gate camp is no more difficult than a lowsec gate camp. Once you get past the gateway systems, you are unlikely to encounter a camp or roaming gang and travel is reasonably safe.

If you have never run a gate camp before, you should practice before you go to nullsec in an expensive ship. Get yourself a stack of cheap fast frigates and try getting in and out of lowsec gateway systems. You'll die, but eventually you should get the hang of it. It is a rush.

If you really wanted to destroy EVE you wouldn't be playing. You'd be busy learning and/or acquiring the resources to DDOS the login server into the next decade.

If you want to learn how to RMT without breaking the EULA just send me a PM. Lots of non bannable isk out there to be obtained.

Yes, listen and trust the Goon lol

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the ]EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Why would they respond? You're doing fine job carrying their water Lyris

Never stop posting.

Actually I believe its more. 69% last I saw

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/DCF.png

edit: its 72% my bad

Yep. That just killed EVE for me, completely.

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Aww...will you come back when it's 100%? It shouldn't take too long.

Won't this kill the premise of Dust 514 before it is even released?

I wouldn't trust me either, but what part of my advice was bad? We have our own newbies practice doing dangerous things like running camps in cheap frigates, it works. From what I've seen travel fit T3s with interdiction nullifiers and covops cloaks can roam nullsec pretty much at will, and are fine as long as all you want to do is look around. A tiny covops ship is a bit easier to lose, but also much cheaper and faster to train for.

I'm goonswarm's current Director of Rifters, so if I'm giving bad advice I'd like to know about it.

Even if people are reported, CCP will not ban them.

Won't this kill the premise of Dust 514 before it is even released?

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Remove local and the bots go away.

my opinion
RMT is a problem but it isn't done on alliance level,if caught it would devastate any large alliance
it is probably done on individual level and or with a few individuals in some dark shadowy 2or 3 man corporations , and pretty damn hard to prove ingame

tho it seems less now than a year ever since the isk spammers in the market hubs were cleaned out together with a harder policy against rmt s , i could be mistaken tho

Ban ALL 0.0 Coalitions

No, Sorry, it is an honest question.

I honestly do not know what RMT stands for and I am too lazy to go through all the forums to find out ...

So what is it ?

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

my opinion
RMT is a problem but it isn't done on alliance level,if caught it would devastate any large alliance
it is probably done on individual level and or with a few individuals in some dark shadowy 2or 3 man corporations , and pretty damn hard to prove ingame

tho it seems less now than a year ever since the isk spammers in the market hubs were cleaned out together with a harder policy against rmt s , i could be mistaken tho

That's a 50/50 guess at best to be honest.

The way most of these bots work is by checking local and automatically warping and docking if someone appears in local who is not blue to them.

On the one hand you could say having no local leaves them open to being ganked.

But on the other hand you could say it helps them because they won't be having to deal with AFK cloakers and docking up all te time ruining their isk/hour.

It could swing either way.

That's a 50/50 guess at best to be honest.

The way most of these bots work is by checking local and automatically warping and docking if someone appears in local who is not blue to them.

On the one hand you could say having no local leaves them open to being ganked.

But on the other hand you could say it helps them because they won't be having to deal with AFK cloakers and docking up all te time ruining their isk/hour.

It could swing either way.

Id have to say the part where you pretend you recruit from EVE cause you only recruit gank bait from EVE.

Mostly the DRF sections. Their uppance will come soon though with the changes to Supers.

Most of the alts are made by Lyris Nairn.

My reasoning? Someone who obviously loves reading his own posts and spends his days on the forums.

What the hell is a "null bear" and why do you people (yes, I said it, "you people," deal with it) insist on using derivations of that phrase as stupid pejoratives rather than directly discussing whatever problems you have?

Your question is loaded both ways. I won't bother with it.

I am a Lyris Nairn alt.

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

Goons ruin everything.

RMT is an issue due to the people buying the ISK, if nobody would buy there wouldn't be a long life for RMT.

Bots are used by lazy arese people which don't understand that participating in a game means just that, participate.
Also used by those thet RMT.

Stop buying from RMT sites and you will automaticly lose a lot of bots.

RMT, Real Money Trading, is very much against the EULA. If you suspect anyone of participating in these activities please file a petition and report them to the GMs with any details you have.

CCP is the biggest RMTer in Eve.

good call for someone with the brain the size of a peanut, ducking out of a discussion

If you buy ISK from a third party site, you need to ask yourself where it comes from. They can't just print it. And they need lots of it.

It comes from the game. Botters and the 0.0 alliances that use them.

There seem to be two type of bots out there - 0.0 ratting bots, and highsec level 4 courier mission bots. The courier bots have no risks (aside from maybe getting suicide gank) and can operate 23/7. The 0.0 bots are dependent upon hostiles entering a system, what ships spawn, and also if they get caught and blown up.

We can point out the problems with bots all we want, but if we don't advocate targeting both types of bottling than we are effectively playing favorites for one side or the other.

Mostly the DRF sections. Their uppance will come soon though with the changes to Supers.

Yeah because nobody bots for personal wealth.

Basically, it works like this. Botting is rampant, but only among (enemy alliance). How else could they have been so successful, huh? Unlike (my alliance), who would never stoop to such a practice. I haven't reported it because I know CCP is corrupt and owned by (enemy alliance), and certainly not because I have no actual proof.