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Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.07.30 12:14:00 -
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Look ma BoB fanboi's in a non-BoB related post... obsession 4tw.
Don't worry lads I'm sure one day you'll make an impression on something other than your sofa.
Eve Blacklight Style
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2005.07.30 12:35:00 -
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 Originally by: Blacklight
I'm sure one day you'll make an impression on something other than your sofa.
yeah. im thinking of passing out drunk beside a moon....some gimp's been riding that story for 2yrs 
word of the week= "fanboi's"
i love how phrases are picked up and bleated out by the sheep
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.07.30 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/07/2005 12:44:27
Originally by: Fedaykin Naib
i have feared this day for awhile, but i hold my values aboe alot more. IF FIX is going to start pirating then they will be set -10 to celes, and will continue to be so when we once again become a active corporation. The shooting of nuetrals in someone none claimed space is piracy, and as we a corporation that has held a anti pirate standard see this post as such.
Otherwise, in my own words, all i can say is WOW!!!!.
K if you read the announcement properly you will find dear fedaykin that this policy is effectively authorising FIX to engage neutrals percieved as a threat, this does not necessarily equate to piracy (though you may wish to call it this if it makes you happy  ).
I would wait and see how FIX utilises this policy before pronouncing 'holier than though judgements' on us.
And on a second note threatening FIX with a -10 from an inactive corporation, isn't really a very scary thought, just a FYI.
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.30 13:03:00 -
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And how FIX pilot will 'percieve neutral as threat'?
Question is simple i guess, shoot all?
Then thats exactly meaning of alliance that supports piracy. Not for profit, but still.
Oh and btw, if FIX pilot will fly into space of alliance that is neutral to him, he will also open fire on alliance pilots that for example camping gate or something?
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Milkminer
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Posted - 2005.07.30 13:12:00 -
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If anyone has a problem with real pirating activies just take it up with FIX leadership, or if you have any questions about the new policy then do the same :)
A hauler isnt a threat, a shuttle isnt a threat (unless its a scout, then burn )
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.07.30 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/07/2005 13:38:58
Originally by: CrusherDK
Oh and btw, if FIX pilot will fly into space of alliance that is neutral to him, he will also open fire on alliance pilots that for example camping gate or something?
If FIX enters alliance space belonging to another entity without permission, that alliance can qualify this as an aggressive action by FIX, there will then exist, one assumes, a state of hostilities between FIX and that alliance.
Military manouvres will have been initiated. Thats what we assume when unknown entities enter FIX without express permission, i.e they are not sightseeing... 
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CrusherDK
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Posted - 2005.07.30 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Milkminer
about the new policy then do the same :)
A hauler isnt a threat, a shuttle isnt a threat (unless its a scout, then burn )
Then i would assume that if you see any combat fitted ship you will open fire? Just wanna clear this up.
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Boldyn
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Posted - 2005.07.30 13:53:00 -
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Just an idea...
If anyone feels they donŠt want to pick a wild guess if they are going to get shot...how about you just talk with one of the contacts mentioned in the original post to set standings?
How hard can it be...
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.07.30 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/07/2005 13:55:29
Originally by: CrusherDK
Then i would assume that if you see any combat fitted ship you will open fire? Just wanna clear this up.
If the ship is percieved as a threat by the FIX pilot in question or the gang commander, then categorically yes, I dont think one can be much clearer than this.
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Grimster
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Posted - 2005.07.30 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: CrusherDK
Originally by: Milkminer
about the new policy then do the same :)
A hauler isnt a threat, a shuttle isnt a threat (unless its a scout, then burn )
Then i would assume that if you see any combat fitted ship you will open fire? Just wanna clear this up.
Bah combat fitted this, carebear fitted that, no time in real life to ship scan them then open up before they have a cabby at you.
If not blue, shoot first ask later, ISK is pretty cheap if you're wrong (which if they're not blue you ain't gonna be - bad guy's in the wrong place and usually knows it). GG FIX and have fun, gotta admit, since we started this policy during the GNW it's made things a shedload easier in a combat situation.
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Razor Jaxx
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Posted - 2005.07.30 14:12:00 -
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Nice statement.
Of course you will agree that through this statement you essentially qualify yourselves as threats to any neutral target in neutral space, since a neutral cannot be safe about your intentions anymore?
In other words, are you inviting neutrals, who are now potential targets, to engage you with pre-emptive fire?
And I don't see the point of ALL current neutrals contacting you to set positive standings, you'd end up with more entities on positive standings than you used to have on negative, thus voiding the whole reason for the change of policy.
I'm pointing this out for the sake of argument, really, so don't bother answering with "get in touch with the appropriate contacts to set standings blablabla". Just curious, really.
Yarrr. 
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.07.30 14:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 30/07/2005 14:58:24
Originally by: Razor Jaxx
And I don't see the point of ALL current neutrals contacting you to set positive standings, you'd end up with more entities on positive standings than you used to have on negative, thus voiding the whole reason for the change of policy.
I'm pointing this out for the sake of argument, really, so don't bother answering with "get in touch with the appropriate contacts to set standings blablabla". Just curious, really.
Yarrr.
For the sake of argument .....
may I quote the original poster..
Originally by: PhasmaNL
If you wish to secure positive standings to FIX you must contact us ahead of time and explain why such a standing should be afforded to you, honest and sincere requests will be viewed in a positive light.
What this effectively means as far as we are concerned is that neutrals may or may not contact FIX for a positive standings enquiry, and FIX may or may not grant it depending on a number of factors. E.g. political stance, previous history, size of corporation etc, etiquette in establishing the enquiry....
We don't expect to recieve a thousand and one enquiries tbh, and those that we do recieve shall be looked at on a case by case basis, and they shall recieve proper attention, if the correct channels of communication are used.
Hope this helps.
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Stormfront
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Posted - 2005.07.30 15:19:00 -
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Keep an eye out for Fedaykin's vigil.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.07.30 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Fedaykin Naib
<whining>
Snarf. 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.07.30 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Fedaykin Naib
i have feared this day for awhile, but i hold my values aboe alot more. IF FIX is going to start pirating then they will be set -10 to celes, and will continue to be so when we once again become a active corporation. The shooting of nuetrals in someone none claimed space is piracy, and as we a corporation that has held a anti pirate standard see this post as such.
Otherwise, in my own words, all i can say is WOW!!!!.
Then why are you NAPed with IMP, G, Foundation, RA, PA, F-E, etc etc?
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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corporal hicks
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Posted - 2005.07.30 19:07:00 -
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well someone had to do it...
Yarrr
" Stay Frosty "
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Chowdown
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Posted - 2005.07.30 19:33:00 -
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Mmmm unleash the evil within Have fun with your new policy
New Shinra Kill system, please be patient were still ironing out the finer points!! |
Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.07.30 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Tadis
Edited by: Tadis on 30/07/2005 10:35:10
Clear instructions have been given that no Fix pilots under any circumstances are to conduct pirate activities. This will be upheld throughout Fix. Pilots are to use their own judgement as to whether the target offers a threat, and act accordingly. So we still do not condone pirate's as before, and will thus not act like them.
That does not sound like a true Not Blue Shoot It policy to me.
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Jorev
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Posted - 2005.07.30 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Tadis
Edited by: Tadis on 30/07/2005 10:35:10
Clear instructions have been given that no Fix pilots under any circumstances are to conduct pirate activities. This will be upheld throughout Fix. Pilots are to use their own judgement as to whether the target offers a threat, and act accordingly. So we still do not condone pirate's as before, and will thus not act like them.
That does not sound like a true Not Blue Shoot It policy to me.
Looks like misappropriation of trademark to me, call the lawyers.
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Rthor
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Posted - 2005.07.30 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Milkminer
A hauler isnt a threat, a shuttle isnt a threat (unless its a scout, then burn )
BOB should wardec you for this heresy!!!
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Kinsy
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Posted - 2005.07.30 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Kinsy on 30/07/2005 21:35:41
Originally by: ParMizaN
Meh, guess the whole valiant "anti pirate" alliance thing is just not effective in current times. Good luck and kill everything
Cant believe im going to have to agree with you there...
SEND IN THE TEETOTAL COCONUT LOVING DIPLOMAT...oh wait, youve spoken to him.
Its a shame when corporations and alliances fail to stick to what makes them who they are...Its only a game, some might say, but then i always thought one of the most fun things in games is to stick to your morals no matter what (waves to CELES).
Note: the opinions of this poster do not reflect the opinions of his corporation or alliance. Mainly because im at the tail end of a 2 week holiday in Ibiza and have run out of cash 
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2005.07.30 21:39:00 -
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So in the event that you run across a neutral fleet in 0.0 somewhere outside of FIX space, you've just now warned them that you will be hostile towards them. Thus they'll respond by shooting you when you are in local and they justify you naming them as hostiles. However, this particular fleet would not have shot you otherwise.
It's fine to work this policy in alliance claimed space where you're only trying to control your area, but to open it up across the galaxy is borderline piracy. I know you say you're going to make judgment calls on whether it's a threat or not, but that's not going to keep lazy pilots from deciding they don't want to bother to check out the situation. You'll start ganking NPC bships and other ships travelling through other regions even though that may not be your intent.
For the part that neutrals need to contact you to set standings, people who aren't in your space and don't expect to see you in their space arent going to know they need to contact you for positive standings. I know BoB has popularized this type of engagement policy, but they've never made any claims to be non-pirate or to be peaceful. If you want more hostiles to shoot at because you're bored, this works, but you will come across as pirates to most people in any claimed space.
I know that there are many others that would shoot at you first either way and you are wanting to protect your pilots, but wouldn't it be simpler to say that your pilots would be the ones to avoid contact with the neutrals rather than take the arrogant approach and say that no one else is good outside of FIX and friends.
Just a few thoughts, and I'm sure they won't really affect your decision. Merely some feedback from a now potential target for you guys. 
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.07.30 21:57:00 -
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who the heck care's its there space there rulles if you dont like them blow them up or stay out k thx
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Marcus Grisbius
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Posted - 2005.07.30 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lilan Kahn
who the heck care's its there space there rulles if you dont like them blow them up or stay out k thx
That's fine and dandy if it's in their space, as it has been for months now. But the point of the announcement is that they are extending the policy to the entire galaxy and not just their claimed space. You can't just stay out of their space now.
Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn |
Lilan Kahn
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Posted - 2005.07.30 22:14:00 -
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so?
you make it sound like a big thing while its not, its white its in my way il blow it up.
see a problem with this ? not realy as its commen 0.0 behavior
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Acwron
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Posted - 2005.07.30 22:19:00 -
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Quote:
FIX information :
NAP's with Imperium and G have been cancelled.
Thankyou.
This is like why? Considering that G doesn't even shot neutrals.
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.07.30 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Acwron
Quote:
FIX information :
NAP's with Imperium and G have been cancelled.
Thankyou.
This is like why? Considering that G doesn't even shot neutrals.
Your superiors have been informed of the particular reasons, rest assured that it was not on account of anything G has done, but more on account of the fact that the NAP was very much past its use by date.
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Moridin
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Posted - 2005.07.30 23:31:00 -
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good for you FIX. SE has been using the same/simelar policy for 2 years.
it will get u crapp in the long run. but then again people shud wise up and ask for a blue status
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Static Ga'lraith
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Posted - 2005.07.31 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Static Ga''lraith on 31/07/2005 00:47:32
Originally by: Fedaykin Naib
i have feared this day for awhile, but i hold my values aboe alot more. IF FIX is going to start pirating then they will be set -10 to celes, and will continue to be so when we once again become a active corporation. The shooting of nuetrals in someone none claimed space is piracy, and as we a corporation that has held a anti pirate standard see this post as such.
Otherwise, in my own words, all i can say is WOW!!!!.
Excuse me, but do you even know what piracy means? Piracy does not mean that you shoot neutrals, it means you shoot anyone and everyone, and then try to ransom them. For an 'anti-pirate' corp, you sure have your wires crossed about what actually is piracy, and what is not. All this means is that FIX have turned to ganking to try and protect their space, which I fully understand. Please do not confuse the act of actual legitimate piracy with what FIX is doing, because it is plain wrong and you know it.
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Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.07.31 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jorev
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Tadis
Edited by: Tadis on 30/07/2005 10:35:10
Clear instructions have been given that no Fix pilots under any circumstances are to conduct pirate activities. This will be upheld throughout Fix. Pilots are to use their own judgement as to whether the target offers a threat, and act accordingly. So we still do not condone pirate's as before, and will thus not act like them.
That does not sound like a true Not Blue Shoot It policy to me.
Looks like misappropriation of trademark to me, call the lawyers.
No need for that, but the fix policy sounds like a normal 0.0 policy a true not blue shoot it policy means exactly that, you enage anything that is not blue.
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