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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:54:00 -
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oh come on guys all you people calling a NBSI policy Piracy must consider over half the alliances in eve pirates. With all the new corps and corps changing who thier allied with on a daily bases this is the only way to handle this now days. Its normally pretty easy to know who your friends are but you don't know who your enemies are.
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Head Cook
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Renox
Originally by: thoth foc
celes arent different.. every choke point has it's gate campers..
thoth, try going past one of our camps in 0.0 with an alt in a neutral corp(preferedly not npc corp) and in an indy. I think you would find that he would survive the trip even if not using insta jumps. Unless you have actually tried that or can otherwise prove that we shoot neutrals and not just reds, please don't comment on it...
Well, you'll camp gates with ppl like Imperium who shoot neutrals and do nothing. That makes you equally guilty.
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FalloutBoy
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:59:00 -
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Celestial Apoc will in my mind never be anything but a pirate corp. no different then Burn Eden, Botox Bandits and all the other pirate corps that have come before. there is nothing wrong with this, but the fact that they try to tell people thier not a pirate corp is pretty laughable.
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Balistic Void
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:48:00 -
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There is a difference, Burn Eden are much much much lamer than CELEST.
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Crzycnck2
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:49:00 -
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Anyone who says an NBSI Policy is a form of Piracy have never had a ship lost to a neutral before. When I was a member of FIX I advocated an NBSI policy since I was loosing ships to neutrals in the pipe. Besides PvP is the fun part of this game.
If you donĘt want to loose ships to FIX stay out of their way.. kinda simple really.
FIX FTW!!! *********************************************** Battle Angels gather, They warp in, Guns Engage, Ships die *********************************************** |

heyjoe52
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Posted - 2005.08.01 01:33:00 -
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Cartiff should really charge people for using that term. Its our trademark BEING IN THE NBSI ALLIANCE. Also i was there when he spouted it off the first times on the XF forums, and in alliance chat.
But go for it. No one NBSI's like we do :P
I have a fever, and the only thing that cure it... is more cowbell! |

Head Cook
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Posted - 2005.08.01 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: heyjoe52 Cartiff should really charge people for using that term. Its our trademark BEING IN THE NBSI ALLIANCE. Also i was there when he spouted it off the first times on the XF forums, and in alliance chat.
But go for it. No one NBSI's like we do :P
Well, atleast you got something to remember you by.
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XtcDragon
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Posted - 2005.08.01 03:04:00 -
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Let FIX do their job ... In my point of view there are no Neutrals in 0.0, everybody shoots eachother.
Go FIX !
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.01 06:15:00 -
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Here's where I'm confused, and where I think some of this "OMGPIERAT" stuff is coming from.
You say the NBSI is EVE-wide. Does that mean that if I'm, say, tooling about somewhere in lowsec Aridia or Derelik or somewhere (somewhere sort of near Querious, but still far away enough for it to not matter too much for FIX operations, presumably) and I see a FIX pilot, that I should expect to be attacked simply because I haven't asked/begged FIX not to shoot me? That does sound kind of like, well, piracy to me.
I can easily understand a NBSI policy for an alliance's home territory - we've already seen the good arguments for denying neutrals access to downtown Querious unmolested - but if it's far afield from home base, the NBSI policy doesn't seem to make a lot of sense simply because the neutrals you'll meet are just that - neutrals who couldn't give two craps about FIX. There's no reason to shoot them, unless you want to loot their cargo...
... and that's called piracy.
Not an accusation, just an observation. And a bit of confusion you may want to clear up: does the NBSI policy mean you shoot non-blue outside of Querious as a first response? -------------- What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
Player of the character "Lucca Deradi." Former player of "Andre Ricard." |

Christopher Multsanti
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Posted - 2005.08.01 06:19:00 -
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All this uproar is ridiculous in my opinion, shooting neutrals in 0.0 is the only way to go in current climate of Eve.
Your not from New York City your From Rotherham! |
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.01 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Multsanti All this uproar is ridiculous in my opinion, shooting neutrals in 0.0 is the only way to go in current climate of Eve.
Shooting everyone in 0,0 is better ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's |

Krugerrand
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Posted - 2005.08.01 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller Here's where I'm confused, and where I think some of this "OMGPIERAT" stuff is coming from.
You say the NBSI is EVE-wide. Does that mean that if I'm, say, tooling about somewhere in lowsec Aridia or Derelik or somewhere (somewhere sort of near Querious, but still far away enough for it to not matter too much for FIX operations, presumably) and I see a FIX pilot, that I should expect to be attacked simply because I haven't asked/begged FIX not to shoot me? That does sound kind of like, well, piracy to me.
As has already been said FIX won't engage neutrals in empire 'low sec' nor will they ransom as that is indeed piracy.
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SaorAlba
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Posted - 2005.08.01 09:21:00 -
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-G- will never shoot at neutrals. Players in npc corps and about half of eve are kos however :). We except the fact that we are sometimes shot down by neutrals due to our own policy. However we think it's more important to treat neutrals with the respect they deserve. -G- considers them self not as loose guns on the run. The one thing you can do to really annoy us is to open fire when you are blueish. Such an act will be dealt with and you get the extra attention you asked for. Adjustment of your standings to -G- can be arranged with one of our diplomats. It's all ok with us just be so good to let us know in time . Respect to those who do.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2005.08.01 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti All this uproar is ridiculous in my opinion, shooting neutrals in 0.0 is the only way to go in current climate of Eve.
Shooting everyone in 0,0 is better
Having no friends ingame besides corpm8's and being so unpopular that you can't post anywhere without being flamed 4tw!!1 --------------------------------------
We are The Collective. Resistance is futile. |

Grimster
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Posted - 2005.08.01 11:56:00 -
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I'm still failing to see the problem here at all.
Here's my view (want it or not) 
1. We are obviously only talking about 0.0, so silly questions about low sec space anywhere are just that, silly. 2. If you're blue you will not be shot. 3. If you're not blue you will be shot 4. As with BoB - if we're not in our own space, we're attacking the space of the owner, thus making standings irrelevant, if it's in enemy space - it's enemy.
I only see a pirate issue if people are holding ships/pods to ransom (which only oldskool pirate hardcore really do these days).
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Shin Ra
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Shin Ra on 01/08/2005 13:56:05
Originally by: Masta Killa
Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti All this uproar is ridiculous in my opinion, shooting neutrals in 0.0 is the only way to go in current climate of Eve.
Shooting everyone in 0,0 is better
Having no friends ingame besides corpm8's and being so unpopular that you can't post anywhere without being flamed 4tw!!1
Still bitter about getting your asses handed to you eh? ----------------------------------------- wts all new "burberry" warp core stab II's |

Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2005.08.01 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Grimster I only see a pirate issue if people are holding ships/pods to ransom (which only oldskool pirate hardcore really do these days).
And incidently, ransom is not permitted by the FIX high command. Heh.
"Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted." |

thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Renox
Originally by: thoth foc
celes arent different.. every choke point has it's gate campers..
thoth, try going past one of our camps in 0.0 with an alt in a neutral corp(preferedly not npc corp) and in an indy. I think you would find that he would survive the trip even if not using insta jumps. Unless you have actually tried that or can otherwise prove that we shoot neutrals and not just reds, please don't comment on it...
every group of gate campers picks their targets.. you just choose to label ur targets ebil piw8's.. it's not like "neutral indies" are exactly common, or that ur allies wont shoot them.. so ur "higher moral ground" arguement isnt particularly valid..
FIX arent adopting any different policy from ur own allies.. some how i doubt u'll start shooting the rest of the HED gate huggers
--thoth
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Mindlles
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:21:00 -
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http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/pilot_detail.php?plt_id=59 |

Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:44:00 -
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Ya know, I used to have no problems with FIX and respected them as an alliance. Hell, I still have a lot of friends in that are in FIX corps.
But what I think is sad FIX were almost like the underdog "good guys" (if there is even something remotely close to being good in EVE) and seem to hold themselves to a higher standerd then other alliances.
But it seems 99% of EvE alliances have a become cookie cutter molds of each other. All FIX are doing is slowly becoming a clone.
FIX can argue "we'll NBSI helps keep spys out ." But it's just a sham, I can see protecting and having a NBSI policy in your "claimed" area. But to have that policy extend in all 0.0 areas, give me a break. Just be honest with everybody, You guys have NAP'd BoB, SE and [5]. So some of your BEST PvPers got board and left.
What did you do you came up with to help slow the attrition of losing PvPers, you extend your NBSI policy, trying to throw the PvP'ers who have not left a bone.
Cowboy
btw how are your plans for that North/South war comming along
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darth solo
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:44:00 -
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ppl that say " we kill everything in 0.0, whats the problem?" are foolish... ur actions in 0.0 space can cause so many probs for ur members in Empire.
Yes i agree, in these days u have to treat ppl in 0.0 as hostile, but blowing them up is a diff matter.
U cant seriously expect to kill ppl in 0.0 and see them in empire and all is good?...
the first thing we do when some1 fires on us, is set them to -10 with an empire war being a possibility...
Ill never shoot a neutral in 0.0 space(outwith a mistake or a bug).
d solo.
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: darth solo
Ill never shoot a neutral in 0.0 space(outwith a mistake or a bug).
d solo.
What about roids?? 
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Nez Perces
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Posted - 2005.08.02 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/08/2005 13:01:31 Edited by: Nez Perces on 02/08/2005 13:00:37
Much as Celestial Apocalypse have held for me some degree of "iconic" status during my EVE-Career, I cannot help but be disappointed by some of the arguments put forward on this thread.
Celestial Apocalypse is one single corporation with the problems that one single corporation has. You guys only have to worry about your one single corporation. You dont have distinct player types to please, you dont have a home to protect, you dont have political ties to uphold.
It seems to me that it is all too easy for a single corporation to comment on how an alliance handles itself and deriding its reasons for taking on a policy, that was adopted with practicality as the main motivator.
When a single corporation understands the issues and problems associated with running a complex entity as an alliance and the multitude of factors that need to be taken stock of when taking decisions of this kind, then perhaps I will welcome their skewed comments from the peanut gallery.
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: heyjoe52 Cartiff should really charge people for using that term. Its our trademark BEING IN THE NBSI ALLIANCE. Also i was there when he spouted it off the first times on the XF forums, and in alliance chat.
But go for it. No one NBSI's like we do :P
Not blue shoot it has been around for quite a while...
Originally by: Sochin
CCP has provided you with the tools you need to avoid crime. You're just too lazy/stupid to use them.
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thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: DrunkenOne
Not blue shoot it has been around for quite a while...
yes but it's a pvp term..
--thoth
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Renox
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Renox
Originally by: thoth foc
celes arent different.. every choke point has it's gate campers..
thoth, try going past one of our camps in 0.0 with an alt in a neutral corp(preferedly not npc corp) and in an indy. I think you would find that he would survive the trip even if not using insta jumps. Unless you have actually tried that or can otherwise prove that we shoot neutrals and not just reds, please don't comment on it...
every group of gate campers picks their targets.. you just choose to label ur targets ebil piw8's.. it's not like "neutral indies" are exactly common, or that ur allies wont shoot them.. so ur "higher moral ground" arguement isnt particularly valid..
FIX arent adopting any different policy from ur own allies.. some how i doubt u'll start shooting the rest of the HED gate huggers
but weren't you saying that we weren't any different and shoot neutrals like everyone else? That simply isn't true. We don't shoot neutrals and the neutral indy was just an extreme example. As far as our allies... well, guess you are right, they do
" While Celestial Apoc is filled with smack talking, safespot hugging, gate cudling, empire war exploiting |

thoth foc
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Posted - 2005.08.02 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Renox
but weren't you saying that we weren't any different and shoot neutrals like everyone else? That simply isn't true. We don't shoot neutrals and the neutral indy was just an extreme example. As far as our allies... well, guess you are right, they do
no, u mentioned neutrals.. and as to whether u do shoot them or not is pretty irrelevant..
--thoth
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Trina Tron
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Posted - 2005.08.03 17:26:00 -
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OH MY GOD FIX, A RABBIT IS RUNNING RIGHT AT YOU, SHOOT IT FAST BEFORE IT SURELY KILLS YOU.
*insert fix blowing the rabbit up.
No jury in all of eve could convict you. ---------------------------------------------------
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Krugerrand
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Posted - 2005.08.03 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Danae To FIX representatives:
Is this, as has been said, a 0.0 policy, or are you going to start gatecamping the low-sec constellations north of Querious?
Before posting read the thread.
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Siri Danae
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Posted - 2005.08.03 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Krugerrand
Originally by: Siri Danae To FIX representatives:
Is this, as has been said, a 0.0 policy, or are you going to start gatecamping the low-sec constellations north of Querious?
Before posting read the thread.
I did. I didn't see a clear statement regarding this by a FIX representative. Show me one I overlooked and I'll thank you, otherwise why bother posting? ------ I generally assume the following: 1. 95% of Empire Carebears don't get 0.0 PVPers. 2. 95% of 0.0 PVPers don't get Empire Carebears. 3. 100% of Ore Thieves steal just to upset the Miners. |
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