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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:16:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Frying Doom wrote: But the principle still stands that this system allows organized voters to gain the upper hand with the difference being that some minor candidates have some possibility of being elected.
>implying the old one didnt Also, in general, >implying all candidates from highsec are weak willed introverts ignorant of the larger game balance >implying all highsec-based voters are weak willed introverts ignorant of the larger game balance The new system does not allow "unorganized groups the ability to organically and automatically coordinate their voting almost as well as the organized groups."
As to all highsec voters, no not all. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.03.05 02:20:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Frying Doom wrote:But the principle still stands that this system allows organized voters to gain the upper hand with the difference being that some minor candidates have some possibility of being elected.
So what you're saying is that the new voting system does not, and never was intended to, fix the problem that the composition of the voting populace does not actually represent the populace of the game as a whole and that achieving that goal has nothing to do with the voting system used whatsoever?  Very little tbh, as I have spew forth so many times, it is the why not the how that needs fixing.
The majority of the populous need to know why they should vote not changing how they vote. if this election still only gets 18% of the vote or less with the fact that 5 of those going to Iceland are now CCP elected. The voting system matters very little in dead. EvE players have no voice. Just don't bother voting for the CSM, really its not worth the energy.
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rodyas
tie fighters inc
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:40:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Thanks for reminding me to mention it, Snow Axe. I owe you one, buddy! Its always an emotional time for me, when I see a goon make a friend.
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:rodyas wrote:So your trying to turn Trebor, into Barack Obama? I think you mean turn me into Kcarab Amabo, don't you? 
Well your crowd sourcing initiative, was kind of a massive stimulus project. You won't join me in trolling, much like Barack, wouldn't do that. You also support new players, same as Barack, supporting small business. Even a CSM is kind of like a community organizer, which Barack was before his time in government.  Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

rodyas
tie fighters inc
1058
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Posted - 2013.03.05 05:43:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Frying Doom wrote: But the principle still stands that this system allows organized voters to gain the upper hand with the difference being that some minor candidates have some possibility of being elected.
>implying the old one didnt Also, in general, >implying all candidates from highsec are weak willed introverts ignorant of the larger game balance >implying all highsec-based voters are weak willed introverts ignorant of the larger game balance
/troll, Well that how I view most people, whether they are from null or hi sec.
But you are the merc, who would you say is the hardest to take down? Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2013.03.05 12:24:00 -
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mynnna wrote:So what you (Frying Doom) are saying is that the new voting system does not, and never was intended to, fix the problem that the composition of the voting populace does not actually represent the populace of the game as a whole and that achieving that goal has nothing to do with the voting system used whatsoever? Exactly; they are two separate but related issues. Changing the election to STV makes the results more representative of the electorate. Increasing turnout makes the electorate more representative of the community.
They are the peanut and the jelly in the great sandwich of representative democracy.
Re-elect Trebor to CSM8 GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó My CSM Blog |

Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
371
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Posted - 2013.03.05 21:58:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Frying Doom wrote:But the principle still stands that this system allows organized voters to gain the upper hand with the difference being that some minor candidates have some possibility of being elected.
So what you're saying is that the new voting system does not, and never was intended to, fix the problem that the composition of the voting populace does not actually represent the populace of the game as a whole and that achieving that goal has nothing to do with the voting system used whatsoever? 
Well CSM7 had to do something?! bring back images |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2696
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Posted - 2013.03.06 00:07:00 -
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rodyas wrote:I noticed you seem to think CCP would only help the game, and even if mistakes were made nothing critical would be hurt, and for the most part I think that is true. EVE is such a complex game that I would never be so sanguine. I have absolutely no doubt that CCP will make some mistakes in the future, perhaps significant ones. But I am reasonably confident that they are less likely to do so now than in the past, and that they are better able to react when things go wrong.
(PS: sorry for the delayed response to your post) Re-elect Trebor to CSM8 GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó My CSM Blog |

rodyas
tie fighters inc
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Posted - 2013.03.06 05:57:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:rodyas wrote:I noticed you seem to think CCP would only help the game, and even if mistakes were made nothing critical would be hurt, and for the most part I think that is true. EVE is such a complex game that I would never be so sanguine. I have absolutely no doubt that CCP will make some mistakes in the future, perhaps significant ones. But I am reasonably confident that they are less likely to do so now than in the past, and that they are better able to react when things go wrong. (PS: sorry for the delayed response to your post)
Its alright, I follow CSM politics, didn't even know it was delayed.
Yeah, well I do think CCP is good at things, but certain players want big things and seems CCP can't help but throw themselves into things as well.
Mostly when you bring up the big things players want, that I worry more about mistakes being made.
I only think, CCP threw themselves into things too far on three occasions lately. But they aren't really to big it seems.
I do like the entertainment this game creates a whole lot. So I am mostly interested when some bigger issues for the players come up and CCP also throw themselves into it. At least that is my golden hope of LoLs to watch.
But once again, you probably know more about that, and what CCP is thinking right now then I do. So I would only be good for libel and slander. Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2700
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Posted - 2013.03.06 17:14:00 -
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Jeremy Soikutsu wrote:I wanted to ask about something that doesn't get the time it deserves. The Drone Regions, or I suppose more precisely the half-finished state of Rogue Drones. My question is basically how do you think they should be fixed, and do you think CCP is paying them enough attention? I (like practically every serious CSM candidate) favor some significant attention being given to rebalancing of all of nullsec -- not just moon goo but all the income sources -- as part of the process of moving to an economy based on bottom-up income. If the drone regions get "fixed", it will be as part of a package of changes that affect all of nullsec, because that's simply the way to get the most bang for the developer buck.
What I would like to see that package of changes do:
* Move income sources to bottom-up active gathering -- so you've got to be in space in spaceships doing spaceship stuff in space.
* Rebalance resources on a regional level so that the overall income disparity is reduced between regions -- but not eliminated.
* Rebalance resources within a region so that income disparity within regions is actually increased -- for particular income sources.
So there would be no regions that were the best at everything, but some regions would be known for being rich in certain resources but poorer in others. But within a region that was, say, bad for mining there might be a constellation that had seriously tasty rocks.
Another way of putting it would be that I think that base system quality should be multi-dimensional, so as to increase the number of ecological niches that groups can live in -- and fight over.
It might also be interesting to contemplate extending this idea not just to income sources but also other activities. What if there were constellations or systems where refining yields were slightly better, or manufacturing could be done slightly faster? Re-elect Trebor to CSM8 GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó My CSM Blog |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1791
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Posted - 2013.03.07 00:23:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I (like practically every serious CSM candidate) favor some significant attention being given to rebalancing of all of nullsec ... That means there's nothing particularly distinguishing about you. Time for some new blood, out with the old farts.
You know ... in four years you've 246 killmails ... and you've spent a good deal of that time in PvP corporations.
Perhaps it's time you reconnected with the game. It's changed quite a bit since you last played, before your first stint on CSM5. I think we need some CSM reps who are familiar with the game we're playing today, in 2013.
Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
1061
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Posted - 2013.03.07 01:08:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I (like practically every serious CSM candidate) favor some significant attention being given to rebalancing of all of nullsec ... That means there's nothing particularly distinguishing about you. Time for some new blood, out with the old farts. You know ... in four years you've 246 killmails ... and you've spent a good deal of that time in PvP corporations. Perhaps it's time you reconnected with the game. It's changed quite a bit since you last played, before your first stint on CSM5. I think we need some CSM reps who are familiar with the game we're playing today, in 2013.
SHHHHH! Poetic. Trebor is our mole man. He likes the normal ideas everyone has about null sec, but you can obviously tell he doesn't really support null sec. We need one of those people next to CCP.
If you were to reconnect with the game Trebor. Would you go the pvp route, that CCP and poetic and some players propose the game to be? Or would you do another route? Like in the advertising for PLEX and perhaps the game, CCP hints at empire building or at least going forward in the game with strong goals. I really don't think there is too much of that in the game really, and only advertisers are supported of that. But who knows.
Also another question.
Do you think that the players have a good concept of CCP and game design? Seems you have to sacrifice something to gain something. Or since your an anime fan, the alchemy rules really.
I mean in a amateur view it seems the players have a good grasp of game design. CCP and other companies are forced to close down certain aspects of the game to open up new aspects. Or equivalent exchange. Most people who like the bland null sec ideas, only see them happening if the bland hi sec is destroyed in the process. Equivalent Exchange, and most game companies do that, to make new content. It does seem hard to convince CCP of this trade. Probably because of how overall bland it is.
But you are the players spokesperson, so what exciting and innovative part of the game would you sacrifice to make null sec more exciting and innovative.
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Anistazana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.03.07 02:50:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I (like practically every serious CSM candidate) favor some significant attention being given to rebalancing of all of nullsec ... That means there's nothing particularly distinguishing about you. Time for some new blood, out with the old farts. You know ... in four years you've 246 killmails ... and you've spent a good deal of that time in PvP corporations. Perhaps it's time you reconnected with the game. It's changed quite a bit since you last played, before your first stint on CSM5. I think we need some CSM reps who are familiar with the game we're playing today, in 2013.
Poetic, why the hate against Trebor? Seriously, can you show me on the dolly where the bad CSM member touched you?
Obviously, you consider yourself to be the new blood. Tell us, aside from running an opinion blog, what qualifications do you bring to the table for the CSM? Trebor has three years of experience, networking, and connections with CCP. Three years experience in furthering the CSM's involvement and stake within the decision making processes at CCP. You on the other hand have done what? Ran you mouth and now a negative campaign
Oh yeah, you joined TEST's FW group too.
As for Trebor's killboard stats, either he can play EVE or he can be a CSM member. If he had an active killboard, no doubt you'd claim he wasn't engaged with CCP enough.
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Wescro2
New Order Logistics CODE.
31
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:28:00 -
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I don't know about Poe but Trebor is a bad candidate because he wants World of EVE: Theme Park edition where everyone loves each other and we fight with rainbow turrets and pony launchers. I don't care if he's Shakespeare, no amount of communications skills can excuse that. |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.03.07 03:49:00 -
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Anistazana wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I (like practically every serious CSM candidate) favor some significant attention being given to rebalancing of all of nullsec ... That means there's nothing particularly distinguishing about you. Time for some new blood, out with the old farts. You know ... in four years you've 246 killmails ... and you've spent a good deal of that time in PvP corporations. Perhaps it's time you reconnected with the game. It's changed quite a bit since you last played, before your first stint on CSM5. I think we need some CSM reps who are familiar with the game we're playing today, in 2013. Poetic, why the hate against Trebor? Seriously, can you show me on the dolly where the bad CSM member touched you? Touched probably not.
But I can show you right on the dolly where the CSM bent it over and gave it to us all.
Right in the Player elected council by allowing CCP to choose 5 of the 7 that go to Iceland and a stupid STV system designed to give an extra seat to a joke party, so complicated that it will drive voters away. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |

mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
542
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Posted - 2013.03.07 04:11:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Anistazana wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:I (like practically every serious CSM candidate) favor some significant attention being given to rebalancing of all of nullsec ... That means there's nothing particularly distinguishing about you. Time for some new blood, out with the old farts. You know ... in four years you've 246 killmails ... and you've spent a good deal of that time in PvP corporations. Perhaps it's time you reconnected with the game. It's changed quite a bit since you last played, before your first stint on CSM5. I think we need some CSM reps who are familiar with the game we're playing today, in 2013. Poetic, why the hate against Trebor? Seriously, can you show me on the dolly where the bad CSM member touched you? Touched probably not. But I can show you right on the dolly where the CSM bent it over and gave it to us all. Right in the Player elected council by allowing CCP to choose 5 of the 7 that go to Iceland and a stupid STV system designed to give an extra seat to a joke party, so complicated that it will drive voters away.
Regardless of the reasons, I'm glad to see your sig is now encouraging people to vote instead of calling it a waste of time.  Mynnna for CSM8 |

Frying Doom
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Posted - 2013.03.07 04:35:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Regardless of the reasons, I'm glad to see your sig is now encouraging people to vote instead of calling it a waste of time.  One of those things, I think the Voting system is a stupid change designed for a compulsory voting system.
I think CCP choosing 5 of the people going to Iceland is a decision bordering on the level of insanity as Greed is Good.
But I do feel everyone should vote. Even if it is just to show CCP what type of game we would like before CCP get hold of the CSM and pick only those who speak what they want to hear. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |

Friggz
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1
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Posted - 2013.03.07 05:38:00 -
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Wescro2 wrote:I don't know about Poe but Trebor is a bad candidate because he wants World of EVE: Theme Park edition where everyone loves each other and we fight with rainbow turrets and pony launchers. I don't care if he's Shakespeare, no amount of communications skills can excuse that.
I just want to take the opportunity to turn this straw man argument about how Trebor wants to turn Eve into a theme park MMO into something constructive, because I think there is a point being missed here by a lot of people.
Even if you disagree with Trebor's opinions you want Trebor on the CSM. He's the major part of the reason why the CSM has the influence it does. He's fought for years to make sure the CSM is actually listened to. He puts in countless hours behind the scenes to make sure everyone's voice is heard, not just his. Even if Trebor isn't 'your guy', putting Trebor on your vote behind the candidate of your choice is a smart move, because it's only going to make the candidate of your choice that much stronger because Trebor makes the entire CSM stronger.
There is a reason why half of CSM7 is strongly endorsing him even if they don't all agree on every opinion he has. Alekseyev Karrde of Noir. for example. As a Mercenary group, Noir has a vested interest in High Sec PvP, yet Alekseyev has endorsed Trebor. It's not just about electing the people whose opinions you agree with, it's about electing a strong CSM that will have the influence needed to stand up to CCP and let our voices be heard. Even if you got in a full slate of guys who 100% agree with every opinion you have, it's worthless if they can't communicate those ideas to CCP and provide strong feedback.
I think people are way to focused on 'platforms' and treating the CSM election like you are electing a legislative body that is going to propose laws. That's not really what the CSM does. You want strong candidates who are going to work hard, because that's going to count for more in the end. This CSM class is going to be full of untested candidates. The stability of a proven hard worker who has experience on the CSM is going to be even more valuable this time around than it has been before. |

Wescro2
New Order Logistics CODE.
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Posted - 2013.03.07 06:13:00 -
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I disagree. I don't see the CSM as "pick your favorite workaholic." The CSM itself does very little as it is not a legislative or executive body, but merely a panel of player advocates. The election however is an important barometer of player sentiment, and as such it is entirely about the platform they advocate.
Now, I'm not for a moment discounting the fact that Trebor works hard to achieve whatever his goals are/were. Kudos for that, that is an admirable trait.
However, I have absolutely no reason to believe that any of the other candidates with much better platforms won't work just as hard. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7995
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Posted - 2013.03.07 06:58:00 -
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Wescro2 wrote:I disagree. I don't see the CSM as "pick your favorite workaholic." The CSM itself does very little as it is not a legislative or executive body
Who, in a large company is a "legislative or executive body"? I'm not in y RL job, that's for sure; I operate under all kinds of constraints in which I have little or, more usually, no say in determining. However, within those constraints I am constantly making decisions, the results of which to add a great deal of value to the process, and I spend a lot of time doing so.
Saying that the "CSM does very little" because it's not the God-Emperor of CCP is simply naive. All the outgoing CSMs agree that there's a hell of a lot that the CSM does, that there's a lot of work, and that they add value. CCP have increasingly supported that assertion, especially Unifex.
EDIT: You can be very sure that I woudn't bother wasting my time on all this if I didn't think the above was true. Indeed, if I am proved wrong and it turns out that the CSM is a worthless talking shop, I'll be the first to say so, loudly and clearly and right here where you can all read it. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.03.07 07:29:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Who, in a large company is a "legislative or executive body"?
The board of directors. The CEO.
Malcanis wrote:Saying that the "CSM does very little" because it's not the God-Emperor of CCP is simply naive. All the outgoing CSMs agree that there's a hell of a lot that the CSM does, that there's a lot of work, and that they add value. CCP have increasingly supported that assertion, especially Unifex.
That's decidedly vague language. "Adds value" "does a lot." Those are great to put on a motivational poster and pat yourself on the back over on Casual Fridays, but when it comes to passing your vision in to the game, CSM can do diddly squat. Several CSM, in fact, ones I bitterly disagree with, agree that the CSMs are not junior game developers. Ex-CSM Chairman Mittani explained eloquently at Fanfest 2012 how the CSMs power comes from access and it is basically an advocacy panel. As such the CSM are just a group of players the rest of us decide that get to be privy to super secret information.
So the CSM members get to advocate for their ideas just like all of us, but unlike us they have a little bit more information. I'll concede it's my own opinion that that constitutes "very little" power.
Malcanis wrote:EDIT: You can be very sure that I woudn't bother wasting my time on all this if I didn't think the above was true. Indeed, if I am proved wrong and it turns out that the CSM is a worthless talking shop, I'll be the first to say so, loudly and clearly and right here where you can all read it.
But by all means, prove me wrong and make CCP implement your vision if you can. I'm certainly no fan of this pansy CSM talkfest. Make things happen, get stuff done. But the way CCP has set CSM up, it is designed in way that they retain all the power while handing over an illusion of representative democracy.
EDIT:
Malcanis wrote:All the outgoing CSMs agree that there's a hell of a lot that the CSM does, that there's a lot of work, and that they add value. The outgoing CSM gave the outgoing CSM credit for working hard and adding value? Now that changes everything.  Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7995
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Posted - 2013.03.07 07:50:00 -
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So in your eyes unless the CSM literally has more power than the CEO of EVE, it's a talking shop?
You have an odd idea of how things work. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Wescro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2013.03.07 08:13:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:So in your eyes unless the CSM literally has more power than the CEO of EVE, it's a talking shop?
I don't know that there is any CEO of EVE, I suppose you mean the CEO of CCP. In either case, the CEOs power over the development process is near absolute, that's quite an extreme from the humble analogy of junior game designer which I echoed.
It's a talking shop because it has no executive or legislative power at any level of the development process. Even a junior game designer (far from the CEO) gets to have some control over the actual design, while the best CSM can do is urge and plead, which they do sincerely, diligently, yada yada.
Whatever influence the CSM is able to wield is limited by how inclined CCP is to hear their advocacy, which is the same for any one of us not on CSM. Our influence too is limited by how inclined CCP is to listen to us, on the forums or the blogs, etc.
Like I said it's a matter of opinion. To some simply being able to advocate to CCP directly with inside information amounts to earth shattering influence and responsibility. To my knowledge all that we've ever gotten in-game out of such advocacy are implants on pod killmails. If there are any massive achievements that are protected under the NDA, I apologize. Ripard Teg on comparing gankers to *****/slave-owners/rapists: "If that's what it takes to get people to read a topic...It's not about traffic to my site...you're putting words in my mouth." 23:57 into the interview. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7995
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Posted - 2013.03.07 10:16:00 -
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Wescro wrote:[quote=Malcanis]
Whatever influence the CSM is able to wield is limited by how inclined CCP is to hear their advocacy.
This is entirely true. Would you say that CCP are on an level, increasing or decreasing trend of willingness to hear the CSM's advocacy?
Incidentally, you just described my job quite well. I have to reconcile competing interests to achieve efficient results that also satisfy our corporate customers - none of whom I have any authority over, all of whom I can only "advocate" to. My working day is spent basically persuading these people to modify their requests, or relax their restrictions, or do something over and above the minimum they're required to do, in order to hit my targets. The CSM being "limited by how inclined CCP is to hear their advocacy" is, in short, a working situation to which I am wholly accustomed.
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2703
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Posted - 2013.03.07 11:43:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:You know ... in four years you've 246 killmails ... and you've spent a good deal of that time in PvP corporations. I note with interest the fact that you focus on killmails. If that is the sole metric by which you measure the value of an EVE player, then I rather think you miss the point of EVE entirely. However, given the effort you put into your blog, you clearly understand that this is not the case -- which makes this particular attack so transparently hypocritical.
Both in-game, and on CSM, I gravitate to what CCP Seagull refers to as "enabler" roles. I get a great deal of satisfaction from helping other people, both on a small scale in my corps, and on a large scale by helping to build CSM into an effective tool for representing the community -- and helping individual CSMs make the best arguments possible. And I believe that if you talk to those who have worked with me in-game, or served with me on CSM, the vast majority will tell you that I am quite competent in those roles.
Anistazana wrote:Trebor, How much time would you (spend) on a day to day (or week to week perhaps) level on CSM related matters? I would say it varies from 10-15+ hours a week, with peaks that get close to full-time during summits and minutes-writing. I am fortunate in that my life and work situation makes it easy for me to be flexible and put in the hours when required.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
1037
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Posted - 2013.03.07 14:07:00 -
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LMAO at "proven performer". The only thing I've seen proved is a massive disconnect with what EVE is about. |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1797
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Posted - 2013.03.07 21:22:00 -
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What is your stance on AFK skill training? Amarr Militia - Fweddit - http://fweddit.com Poetic Discourse - http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com |

Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
10
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Posted - 2013.03.07 22:10:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Both in-game, and on CSM, I gravitate to what CCP Seagull refers to as "enabler" roles. I get a great deal of satisfaction from helping other people, both on a small scale in my corps, and on a large scale by helping to build CSM into an effective tool for representing the community -- and helping individual CSMs make the best arguments possible. And I believe that if you talk to those who have worked with me in-game, or served with me on CSM, the vast majority will tell you that I am quite competent in those roles.
As an almost neighbor IRL, a long time corp mate who speaks with him on a weekly if not daily basis, and has hot dropped "ratting Drakes with a fleet of 37 bombers and twice as many falcons" along side him, I'd just like to point out that Trebor is entirely devoted to improving the experience of the EVE player base.
The strawman argument that Trebor represents some sort of faction that wants to see Internet Spaceships turn into the next themepark MMO is absurd. His preferred play style, when he's not doing a part time job of lobbyist for free on the part of the EVE player base, is black ops/cov ops ganks. Seriously, take off the tinfoil and think about it. No Trebor does not have a nicely padded killboard, heaps of ISK to roll around in like Scrooge McDuck, or controll of a major 0.0 alliance/coalition. Instead of all these things he's spent the last three years begging whining and pleading with CCP and forging personal relationships with the people who make our game.
To the people who insist on thinking of the CSM as some sort of governing body or wish it was: No, the CSM has had no direct power in the decision making process. It has had greater and greater degrees of influence as time has gone on however. The last three years Trebor has worked tirelessly to utilize that influence to get CCP to see the utility and worth of the CSM as a body and to turn that influence into some sort of authority, ie true "Stakeholder status." Only in the last year have we seen the dividends paid on this investment of time and effort made by Trebor and all of the working members of the last three CSMs.
I personally see very few people in the crop of CSM candidates, especially out of the "blog pack," with Trebor's level of acumen, work ethic, or proven ability to intercede with CCP devs both formally and more importantly, informally.
I for one, selfishly speaking, would like to see more of my friend on coms and in fleet instead of busy with CSM matters that he can't tell us about. Be this as it may, I fully support Trebor and encourage anyone who truly cares about "the sandbox" that we play in to give their vote for Trebor.
Poetic Stanziel wrote:What is your stance on AFK skill training?
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High Sec Dan
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Tcar wrote:The strawman argument that Trebor represents some sort of faction that wants to see Internet Spaceships turn into the next themepark MMO is absurd.
He had the chance in his interview with Xander Phoena to roll back his suggestion that all wardecs be consensual, and instead he doubled down. The justification he presented was CCPs revenues. Mutually consented war agreements are a far cry from the cold harsh universe of EVE. They are rightfully categorized as "Theme Park" proposals.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:What is your stance on AFK skill training?
You gonna make a separate thread on this after feedback? I am kind of interested in this topic or just SP in general.
I only think the AFK part gets too carried away is just if a player creates Titan and capital alts for sale and how easy that is to do in a way due to it being AFK all the way there. But it would take a long time to make one though.
For lower lvls CCP is trying to specialize the trees so you don't need so many skills so in a way less AFK from it. I don't like the specialized route, but CCP has to make money, so not much to be done I suppose.
Of course, lower training times in general would mean less AFK as well too. Easy way.
CCP is already going the money route with the way SP works, so it will be hard to get much changed from it. But I wonder what they do think about the sales of alts I suppose. (The specialized route, as well as making the ships and modules more balanced, so you don't have to retrain out of a gimped ship all the time. As well as a limited imagination, so people can feel apart of the game at an earlier date as well.)
(Also sorry for posting this reply in Trebor's thread. But there was no where else to go.) Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2013.03.08 03:28:00 -
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Tcar wrote: To the people who insist on thinking of the CSM as some sort of governing body or wish it was: No, the CSM has had no direct power in the decision making process.
The CSM is not a governing body.
It is the voice of the players
and when you actively assist or for that matter fail stand up to be counted when CCP starts taking away from that voice. The players vote in the CSM so therefore we are accepting the player and their views to be our voice to CCP, to be honest I saw no where, other than the CSM minutes where any player suggested that CCP should select 5 of the 7 people that act as our voice in Iceland. So that was not our voice acting in our interests, that was our voice acting in CCPs interests.
You can hardly expect players to want you continue to be their voice, if you don't believe that voice is important. We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |
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