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Gryphon Infinite
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:29:00 -
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The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.
Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
OR
With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.
Hope to hear everyone's feedback on this phenomena and my idea. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
759
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:30:00 -
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Agreed that it's often misleading, sometimes outright false. Dump it for now. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Gryphon Infinite
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2013.02.20 05:35:00 -
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Hey there, I really appreciate your speedy response on the subject.
It is nice to see a friendly player who cares about the game and it's well being. I really appreciate your constructive feedback.
Feel free to add me to contacts / and buddy in game too! |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
555
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Posted - 2013.02.20 06:51:00 -
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It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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dark heartt
Space Truckers Assoc
18
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:02:00 -
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How does it actually work out the price it displays? Is it an average of the buy/sell orders or does it work on what CCP thinks the item should be worth? |
baltec1
Bat Country
5325
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:04:00 -
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Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
258
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.
They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. |
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
491
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:08:00 -
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I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time,
keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it,
I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Evelopedia;-á
The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion -áGÇá-á-á |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
117
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:12:00 -
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I like it, even with its flaws.
It is like getting something appraised in real life. Its a general indicator partially based on what things have sold for in the past, but its not necessarily the price you will be able to get for it if you actually sell it. |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
555
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:13:00 -
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mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Dalmont Delantee
Dropbears with Kebabs SpaceMonkey's Alliance
110
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:15:00 -
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As above I find it useful, if you put your items up to sell at the price on it then you are a little bit of a spaz |
Kestrix
Industrial Renaissance MinTek Conglomerate
85
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:20:00 -
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Whats wrong with an average estimate? I think this is going to be as good as your going to get. If you want a better idea of an items value then right click and select market transactions. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4553
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:21:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. How so? Many items are sold in very limited quantity or not at all in every region, so the feature would be totally useless in most areas of space. Now it at least gives a good ballpark figure no matter where you are. |
Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
106
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:32:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
How hard it is not to look a the number if you know it's wrong?.
Don't ask to have client usability reduced because there is something you don't understand, or don't know how to use. Someone else might actually use it, if anything ask for the option to enable/disable the displaying of the value. |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
555
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Posted - 2013.02.20 07:42:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. How so? Many items are sold in very limited quantity or not at all in every region, so the feature would be totally useless in most areas of space. Now it at least gives a good ballpark figure no matter where you are. Its not at all useless, its highly consistant.
No other market data source is cross-region. Contracts are, the market is not.
By making the feature cross-region, you make it counter intuitive.
If people misattribute where that data is coming from, it will seem useless. This thread is a case in point.
Op assumed the data was regional when it was eve-wide, came and posted a thread asserting it was useless, and here we are, finding as a group that the current implementation is stupid.
Why fix the mistake by performing the same mistake?
Setting the price to the jita price is stupid, because most people are not in jita. traders will find it useful, to everyone else it will be just as nonsensical as todays implementation. The data will still seem to come from nowhere. the fact that it comes from a diferent and highly specific nowhere helps noone except people with freighters hauling stuff to jita. and they can alreadynuse external market aggregators for that.
Implement a current region average, and it conforms with the eve-wide standard, making it more understandable and thus more usable. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
2018
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:29:00 -
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Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.
-á- All I really wanted was to build a castle among the stars - |
Alice Saki
Suddenly Spaced Out Suddenly Spaceships.
30784
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:35:00 -
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Roime wrote:Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.
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Midiana
Just Popped Out For Milk
2
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Posted - 2013.02.20 08:43:00 -
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I like it too. Its usually pretty accurate. And it gives us a good idea of what we're making in wormholes without a market to look at. It's an estimate, its not meant to be 100% accurate. And as an estimate 90% of the time I find it pretty much bang on.
Stop crying about stuff and go play the game |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
230
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:04:00 -
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mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
Would be interesting if the market moves at some point. It has in the past.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Matt Ellis
Infinity Engine Sleeping Dragons
99
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:24:00 -
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Ill admit its not 100% accurate. The way i currently understand it, is that it's Eve-wide average so it gives coverage EVERYWHERE in eve. if you were to set it to Jita, then there are some people that don't buy/sell in Jita. If you were to set it to region, then fair enough, it would cover the current region.
I wil ask though. What about Wormholes? We don't have market regions, so this is the only way of quickly working out what our stuff is worth on the fly.
To be honest. It could be reduced in scope. At one point it said our MNR price was like 8m, but it was more like 4.5. Doesn't it grab data from 3 months past? Looking for a Wormhole Corporation to call home? Check out Infinity Engine today!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2589788#post2589788 |
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Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
262
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Posted - 2013.02.20 09:46:00 -
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OP: no
I think as a punishment for suggesting this OPs client should be modified so he doesnt have this function.
Then you can go back to working out how much every single item you own is worth when you need to move it, sell it or buy it.
Its a great tool, accuracy should always be checked but that takes about 2 seconds. Of a request for change ask: Who Benefits? |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
235
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:12:00 -
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Not 100% accurate, but serves the purpose well, and gives a rough estimate on the value of items. Would be very dissapointed if it was scrapped. One little tip if you don't like it: DON'T USE IT. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
809
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:16:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance. . it just determines lp payouts for fw kills... I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Home Front Coalition
353
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:16:00 -
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It's a great feature for those living in Wspace, maybe even the only market-related in-game intel they have. |
Skorpynekomimi
451
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Posted - 2013.02.20 10:51:00 -
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It's a great feature, in my book. Good for quickly checking the value of my cargo hold, for example. |
Mina Hiragi
Red Federation
83
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:03:00 -
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Matt Ellis wrote:Ill admit its not 100% accurate. The way i currently understand it, is that it's Eve-wide average so it gives coverage EVERYWHERE in eve. if you were to set it to Jita, then there are some people that don't buy/sell in Jita. If you were to set it to region, then fair enough, it would cover the current region.
I wil ask though. What about Wormholes? We don't have market regions, so this is the only way of quickly working out what our stuff is worth on the fly.
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Options for EVE-wide, current region, selected region.
Perhaps many hamsters will die bringing us this information, but it would be a noble death; sure, they would chew on nibble sticks served by Valkyries in Hamster Valhalla.
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Whitehound
879
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:05:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance. The estimated prices are estimates and are working well. As the name says are these estimated prices and they give you a first idea of what an item might be worth.
Any dumb kid can then look up the current Jita prices and say, "Look, the prices are all wrong."
Better tell us what it was you sold for cheap and are now whining about. Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
201
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:09:00 -
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It could be More accurate , more usefull if
The system admit the existence of Hubs ( jita, rens , hek , amarr ,dodixie) And set the estimated Price on the Top buy order in the NEAREST hub from You as simple as it. or more simple Choose only one HUB .. you know which one i'm talking about and set the estimated price on the top buyer order.
Simple simple like a GM said : i'm sure it's only one Line code.... Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2481
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Posted - 2013.02.20 11:11:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Gryphon Infinite wrote:Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance. The estimated prices are estimates and are working well. As the name says are these estimated prices and they give you a first idea of what an item might be worth. Any dumb kid can then look up the current Jita prices and say, "Look, the prices are all wrong." Better tell us what it was you sold for cheap and are now whining about.
Estimated being the keyword. Apparently the OP's understanding of the word 'estimate' is lacking. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
1478
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Posted - 2013.02.20 13:28:00 -
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mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
Jita is only the de facto market hub, not a hardcoded market hub. Tomorrow, if trends change for whatever reason, and people start using Amarr or something, a hardcoded "This is the market hub" statement would be false. |
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brinelan
The Flying Dead Dauntless.
19
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:26:00 -
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Not everyone shops or sells in jita, not every region has prices for every item. It is fine the way it is. |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
82
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.
Is that how its supposed to work? Wonder where all those 1,000 ISK or lower modules sell for high enough prices to make for their massive averages :p |
LHA Tarawa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
378
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:54:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.
Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
OR
With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.
Hope to hear everyone's feedback on this phenomena and my idea.
Sorry, but I love it. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
90
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Posted - 2013.02.20 14:55:00 -
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I'd prefer it be improved, but it ain't broken. I use it all the time and find only a few items out a medium container are completely off price. The rest is close enough.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½ ...end transmission... |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
564
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:07:00 -
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Roime wrote:Well I find it an absolutely wonderful feature, giving me a ballpark figure of the value of the stuff I'm looking at.
Yup, I love the feature and would not like it removed. Also, over time prices seem to adjust. Originally, hium isotopes werelisted at double market value due to fringe sales. Now, those sales have fluctuated down, and the estimated is closer to jita price.
The only people I have heard who are unhappy are those traders in fridge markers who put very low trade orders up for high value items. People can now see such is a rip off. Heck, I swear this is why there has been a huge decline in the price if certain meta mods. |
Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
317
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:07:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote:The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.
Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
OR
With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.
Hope to hear everyone's feedback on this phenomena and my idea.
I like the estimate, I don't want it removed.
I"m not sure how it's an annoyance unless you have OCD I guess. Should be fairly simple to just disregard the number as being innacurate if you have knowledge that indicates it is often or always innacurate.
I disagree entirely with making it the cheapest buy order regionally. A couple reasons being:
1. Buy orders change frequently sometimes every minute (or in the case of Jita, multiples times in a minutes for some orders). These changes can be quite large in regions other than the forge, especially for low volume/rare items, and would make the estimated price even more inaccurate than it currently is in some cases.
2. Some items have 90 day buy orders for 0.02 isk in regions that dont' have big trade hubs. The gap between buy/sell in this case is huge and would cause the item to be massively undervalued on the "estimated price" |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
763
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:07:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it. Which is why I said 'for now' - Turn it off, update it, and turn it back on.
Constructively, I'd like to have a right-click menu item that says 'Estimate' which would allow you to pick the trade hub of your choice to get your value estimate. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1228
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:08:00 -
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Gryphon Infinite wrote: it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
It does nothing? The same code works out your insurance payments and bounty payments. Not to mention the ISK costs etc on kill-mails. Besides, I like the estimates.
If you don't like it, ignore it. It's not doing anything to you. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7704
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:12:00 -
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Sir Substance wrote:It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it.
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |
Halete
Alexylva Paradox
668
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:16:00 -
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As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Trading chains for shackles, I am free. |
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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
763
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:19:00 -
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Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Frankly, I'd be OK with it NOT working in wormholes at all - or going by last known 'good' price from the time you entered W-Space. I live in W-Space much of the time, and I'm comfortable with the data ambiguity found there. Adds to the 'flavor' of W-Space, IMO. Ditto, in Nul - I'd expect the further you get from the trade hubs, the less accurate it should be. Only in Empire Space should the numbers be reasonably current and accurate.
Perhaps add an 'uncertainty' factor, the further you are from your chosen hub. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3582
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:25:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. Is that how its supposed to work? Wonder where all those 1,000 ISK or lower modules sell for high enough prices to make for their massive averages :p
I've not personally stumbled across any cheap items that have vastly inflated values, most of those are probably attempts to manipulate the market for various reasons and get weeded out fairly quickly if they begin affecting things like FW payouts and such.
However, if you have found a few, you should cash in while you can. Of course, if people start doing that, very quickly it becomes a self correcting problem. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3582
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:27:00 -
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silens vesica wrote:Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Frankly, I'd be OK with it NOT working in wormholes at all - or going by last known 'good' price from the time you entered W-Space. I live in W-Space much of the time, and I'm comfortable with the data ambiguity found there. Adds to the 'flavor' of W-Space, IMO. Ditto, in Nul - I'd expect the further you get from the trade hubs, the less accurate it should be. Only in Empire Space should the numbers be reasonably current and accurate. Perhaps add an 'uncertainty' factor, the further you are from your chosen hub. It sounds like the "uncertainty factor" is already built in, thus the reason for this thread. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
403
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:33:00 -
[44] - Quote
I would be happy if it showed the lowest sell price across eve How the **** do you remove a signature? |
Dex Thunakar
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
15
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:35:00 -
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Peter Raptor wrote:I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time, keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it, I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to
Yea it's only inaccurate for slow-moving items |
Dex Thunakar
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
15
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:36:00 -
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Aren Madigan wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. Is that how its supposed to work? Wonder where all those 1,000 ISK or lower modules sell for high enough prices to make for their massive averages :p
My guess is these items rarely get bought/sold and the average has been manipulated... |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
82
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Posted - 2013.02.20 15:38:00 -
[47] - Quote
Dex Thunakar wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time, keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it, I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Yea it's only inaccurate for slow-moving items
Not just inaccurate, GROSSLY inaccurate. Scanners for example go for ridiculously lower prices compared to their estimated value. I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to work the bounty system using modules like that. Seems easy to do actually. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3582
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:01:00 -
[48] - Quote
Aren Madigan wrote:Dex Thunakar wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time, keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it, I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Yea it's only inaccurate for slow-moving items Not just inaccurate, GROSSLY inaccurate. Scanners for example go for ridiculously lower prices compared to their estimated value. I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to work the bounty system using modules like that. Seems easy to do actually. Well, since CCP has stated repeatedly that they have procedures in place to monitor exactly that type of manipulation (due to past experience with FW loyalty point payouts based on item value) I doubt you'd get away with it very often... if at all.
Sure, you can manipulate the market with no issues... but if you try to cash in via bounty payout or FW loyalty points that's when you start flirting with official repercussions.
It's not really worth a ban on all of your accounts if you don't get the hint. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
763
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:04:00 -
[49] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:silens vesica wrote:Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Frankly, I'd be OK with it NOT working in wormholes at all - or going by last known 'good' price from the time you entered W-Space. I live in W-Space much of the time, and I'm comfortable with the data ambiguity found there. Adds to the 'flavor' of W-Space, IMO. Ditto, in Nul - I'd expect the further you get from the trade hubs, the less accurate it should be. Only in Empire Space should the numbers be reasonably current and accurate. Perhaps add an 'uncertainty' factor, the further you are from your chosen hub. It sounds like the "uncertainty factor" is already built in, thus the reason for this thread. But not intentionally - Just bad code. I think it'd work better if the uncertainty was directly relatable to distance to the nearest hub. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
366
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:35:00 -
[50] - Quote
I enjoy beating those prices, making more than the average on any given item I sell. It's an amusing minigame, even though it's usually pretty easy to get a much better price. |
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XxRTEKxX
Fenrir's Dogs of War Union 0f Revolution
67
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Posted - 2013.02.20 16:40:00 -
[51] - Quote
Peter Raptor wrote:I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time, keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it, I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to
Works ok for me too. Option to disable is a good option. I dont want it to go away. I like the feature. If it annoys some people, then option to enable/disable is a good thing. |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
82
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:06:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Dex Thunakar wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time, keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it, I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Yea it's only inaccurate for slow-moving items Not just inaccurate, GROSSLY inaccurate. Scanners for example go for ridiculously lower prices compared to their estimated value. I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to work the bounty system using modules like that. Seems easy to do actually. Well, since CCP has stated repeatedly that they have procedures in place to monitor exactly that type of manipulation (due to past experience with FW loyalty point payouts based on item value) I doubt you'd get away with it very often... if at all. Sure, you can manipulate the market with no issues... but if you try to cash in via bounty payout or FW loyalty points that's when you start flirting with official repercussions. It's not really worth a ban on all of your accounts if you don't get the hint.
Is it technically an exploit though? I mean, I kind of would consider it as such, but its such an obvious potential problem that really should have been caught, and they don't seem to take action against alts or corp mates collecting bounties. Really wouldn't surprise me to see someone purposely rack up a bounty, load a rookie ship with a lot of cheap, overvalued scanners and use an alt to blast them, essentially transferring all that ISK to their alt. Wouldn't be through bug abuse or anything like that, but because of a flaw in the way they set things up. Its obviously exploiting the system, yeah, but it also seems like something that should have been foreseen from day 1.
Not encouraging anyone to go out and do this, but seems to be a flaw they should fix. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1876
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:28:00 -
[53] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. not really no, what happens then when the item's not available in your region? you're screwed? "I'd rather have other players-áget shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
82
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote:Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. not really no, what happens then when the item's not available in your region? you're screwed?
Well, there's a good chance it was sold in your region at some point, so I imagine there would still be some market data available on it. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3587
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:41:00 -
[55] - Quote
Aren Madigan wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:Sir Substance wrote:mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible. that would be useless. if anything, regional average would be more useful. not really no, what happens then when the item's not available in your region? you're screwed? Well, there's a good chance it was sold in your region at some point, so I imagine there would still be some market data available on it. Possibly, but likely more wildly inaccurate than the EvE wide average. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3587
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:43:00 -
[56] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:silens vesica wrote:Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Frankly, I'd be OK with it NOT working in wormholes at all - or going by last known 'good' price from the time you entered W-Space. I live in W-Space much of the time, and I'm comfortable with the data ambiguity found there. Adds to the 'flavor' of W-Space, IMO. Ditto, in Nul - I'd expect the further you get from the trade hubs, the less accurate it should be. Only in Empire Space should the numbers be reasonably current and accurate. Perhaps add an 'uncertainty' factor, the further you are from your chosen hub. It sounds like the "uncertainty factor" is already built in, thus the reason for this thread. But not intentionally - Just bad code. I think it'd work better if the uncertainty was directly relatable to distance to the nearest hub. It's not bad code, it's doing exactly what it is supposed to do. It gives you the EvE wide average value of the item. This is really the only practical way to present the information, as it is then the responsibility of the person interpreting the data to know if their intended market (where ever in EvE that may be compared to their current location) trends above or below that average.
This value is not, and was never intended to, act as a replacement mechanism for viewing distant markets within game. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
767
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:silens vesica wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:silens vesica wrote:Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Frankly, I'd be OK with it NOT working in wormholes at all - or going by last known 'good' price from the time you entered W-Space. I live in W-Space much of the time, and I'm comfortable with the data ambiguity found there. Adds to the 'flavor' of W-Space, IMO. Ditto, in Nul - I'd expect the further you get from the trade hubs, the less accurate it should be. Only in Empire Space should the numbers be reasonably current and accurate. Perhaps add an 'uncertainty' factor, the further you are from your chosen hub. It sounds like the "uncertainty factor" is already built in, thus the reason for this thread. But not intentionally - Just bad code. I think it'd work better if the uncertainty was directly relatable to distance to the nearest hub. It's not bad code, it's doing exactly what it is supposed to do. It gives you the EvE wide average value of the item. This is really the only practical way to present the information, as it is then the responsibility of the person interpreting the data to know if their intended market (where ever in EvE that may be compared to their current location) trends above or below that average. This value is not, and was never intended to, act as a replacement mechanism for viewing distant markets within game. When you find items with wildly out-of-whack price v. estimate values, I'm stuck trying to figure if it's bad code, or bad implementation of an idea, or if CCP is deliberately trolling the estimates.
Prices are local, estimates ought to be local. Indeed, in other respects, your financial capabilities are range-limited (depending on skills)... So why not the estimates, too? Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3587
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:51:00 -
[58] - Quote
Aren Madigan wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Aren Madigan wrote:Dex Thunakar wrote:Peter Raptor wrote:I gotta admit I find it pretty helpful actually, I get the estimated price of my mined ores, and so helps me to plan ahead when saving up for stuff, and Ive found it surprisingly accurate a lot of the time, keep it I say, or make it an option to disable it, I mean you don't have to look at it if you don't want to Yea it's only inaccurate for slow-moving items Not just inaccurate, GROSSLY inaccurate. Scanners for example go for ridiculously lower prices compared to their estimated value. I wouldn't be surprised if someone figured out a way to work the bounty system using modules like that. Seems easy to do actually. Well, since CCP has stated repeatedly that they have procedures in place to monitor exactly that type of manipulation (due to past experience with FW loyalty point payouts based on item value) I doubt you'd get away with it very often... if at all. Sure, you can manipulate the market with no issues... but if you try to cash in via bounty payout or FW loyalty points that's when you start flirting with official repercussions. It's not really worth a ban on all of your accounts if you don't get the hint. Is it technically an exploit though? I mean, I kind of would consider it as such, but its such an obvious potential problem that really should have been caught, and they don't seem to take action against alts or corp mates collecting bounties. Really wouldn't surprise me to see someone purposely rack up a bounty, load a rookie ship with a lot of cheap, overvalued scanners and use an alt to blast them, essentially transferring all that ISK to their alt. Wouldn't be through bug abuse or anything like that, but because of a flaw in the way they set things up. Its obviously exploiting the system, yeah, but it also seems like something that should have been foreseen from day 1. Not encouraging anyone to go out and do this, but seems to be a flaw they should fix. Manipulating the market to your advantage is not an exploit in any way.
Manipulating the market to cash in via another mechanic (such as FW loyalty points, bounties, etc.) IS an exploit. Don't do it. Sooner or later you will end up getting the same treatment the Goons did and lose all assets and ISK accrued via the exploit, and eventually a ban (likely temporary at first). Not bashing the Goons in this by the way, they were very up front about describing what and how they were able to do this.
This has all been gone through before, and been done before. For the average person the mechanics of both systems don't make this type of exploit very viable (keep in mind how bounty payouts in particular work). For those few with the clout to force it to work, it becomes very easy to spot by CCP due to the large swing in the average value of the item and the necessarily large number of them needing to be lost. Both data sets appear to be reviewed regularly now.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Google Voices
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
50
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Posted - 2013.02.20 17:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
Careful what you wish for...Every time they make a change, they manage to blow up totally unrelated parts of the game.
"Fozzie could not comment on when this issue would be resolved and stated that GÇ£one day Veritas will come up to me and say GÇÿhey I fixed off-grid boostingGÇÖGÇ¥, but he had no idea on a potential timeframe for this sort of miracle." |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
769
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:00:00 -
[60] - Quote
Google Voices wrote:Careful what you wish for...Every time they make a change, they manage to blow up totally unrelated parts of the game. Nothing new there - That's always been the case. Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3588
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
Quote:This value is not, and was never intended to, act as a replacement mechanism for viewing distant markets within game.
Quote:When you find items with wildly out-of-whack price v. estimate values, I'm stuck trying to figure if it's bad code, or bad implementation of an idea, or if CCP is deliberately trolling the estimates.
Prices are local, estimates ought to be local. Indeed, in other respects, your financial capabilities are range-limited (depending on skills)... So why not the estimates, too? Wildly out of whack average values merely reflect (accurately) ongoing market maniupulation. This is not an unusual occurance in EvE. Even if your information was from the local market hub, if the manipulation was occuring in that location your results would be just as skewed, if not more so.
If anything, that price being so far off from your average local price tells you that somewhere there is a market well worth investigating. You just need to figure out where it is, and try not to get ripped off in the process.
You need to keep two things in mind.
This data is not only used to give you an idea of how much the item is worth. A number of other game mechanics use this information and need to be a global average as this makes it much more difficult to manipulate the prices in a significant way on most items.
CCP has no way of knowing where you are going to sell those goods, so local pricing would likely cause more hate and discontent from players than the current system by a large margin. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
486
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:10:00 -
[62] - Quote
I find the feature to be highly usefull when moving things.. Yes, it's not exactly accurate, but it's not meant to be, it's an estimated price. It gives me a good ballpark figure of what something is worth, for some items, the price will be quite 'out of whack' probably due to small amounts being sold or manipulations going on. For Bulk items, it's a very accurate estimate and gives you a good idea what price to look for to sell it.
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neo smith
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:15:00 -
[63] - Quote
im also with those that like it . i find it usefull when out exploring and deciding when to head back to high and sell. better that getting calculator out |
Mr Ignitious
Red Federation
8
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Posted - 2013.02.20 18:27:00 -
[64] - Quote
mechtech wrote:baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate. They really just should hardcode it in to use the 4-4 price if at all possible.
That would be dumb. While a huge portion of all sales go on in jita and jita has become the player designated main trade hub, CCP has never influenced what systems are trade hubs. Hardcoding in jita as what items is worth means that if we as players ever want to no longer use jita then CCP have wasted their time.
If the estimated value thing wants to be misleading, then let it. Maybe it'll bait some noobs into make a mistake. We didn't need it before, we'll get along just fine ignoring it. |
Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
199
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Posted - 2013.02.20 20:05:00 -
[65] - Quote
It should take into account all transaction in the 5 main hub for the last week.
but I guess the cost of it would be too great. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:19:00 -
[66] - Quote
silens vesica wrote:Agreed that it's often misleading, sometimes outright false. Dump it for now. The other day it told me a ~60k piece of loot was worth over a mil. I wish I was making that up. I agree. They should either fix it or get rid of it. The "lowest price in the region" section of the market is almost always wrong too. |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
579
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:36:00 -
[67] - Quote
Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt.
Your head may actually explode when I show you eve-marketdata. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3603
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Joran Dravius wrote:silens vesica wrote:Agreed that it's often misleading, sometimes outright false. Dump it for now. The other day it told me a ~60k piece of loot was worth over a mil. I wish I was making that up. I agree. They should either fix it or get rid of it. The "lowest price in the region" section of the market is almost always wrong too. It has just told you that somewhere in EvE that item is or has recently been sold for a significantly higher value than normal (whether thru manipulation or a successful scam, or a simple error)... and you want to throw that information away a broken. It's good information to know, potentially something you could cash in on (or get ripped off by). You are simply misunderstanding what the information represents. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3603
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Posted - 2013.02.20 21:42:00 -
[69] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:Halete wrote:As said, it's extremely useful in Wormholes. It's much handier to get a rough idea of a price on the fly than to log in a trading alt. Your head may actually explode when I show you eve-marketdata. This is the sort of tool you should use if you need a detailed analysis of market value, and is an example of using the right tool for the job. The EvE wide average that you are provided with in game in not intended to take the place of a tool like this. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
790
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Joran Dravius wrote:silens vesica wrote:Agreed that it's often misleading, sometimes outright false. Dump it for now. The other day it told me a ~60k piece of loot was worth over a mil. I wish I was making that up. I agree. They should either fix it or get rid of it. The "lowest price in the region" section of the market is almost always wrong too. It has just told you that somewhere in EvE that item is or has recently been sold for a significantly higher value than normal (whether thru manipulation or a successful scam, or a simple error)... and you want to throw that information away as broken. It's good information to know, potentially something you could cash in on (or get ripped off by). You are simply misunderstanding what the information represents. That piece of 'information' isn't actually information. Its a datum which is of little value absent other information which you probably won't have - Like where that inflated price was paid. In short, it's not data; it's an anecdote.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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Eram Fidard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.20 22:59:00 -
[71] - Quote
A little something for those inclined to post these things...
http://imgur.com/NOTa2Pf
p.s. I'm terrible at flow charts, I know, but not as terrible as this posting... |
Remiel Pollard
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
1361
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:04:00 -
[72] - Quote
I find the estimated price feature very useful. If I'm hauling loot, I can check its local market value compared to the estimated price to determine whether or not I sell, reprocess for ore, or take it somewhere else if I can be bothered. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2293
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:10:00 -
[73] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:A little something for those inclined to post these things... http://imgur.com/NOTa2Pfp.s. I'm terrible at flow charts, I know, but not as terrible as this posting...
This is the most informative thing i have even seen on these forums. You sir have won the forums. +100. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Styth spiting
Ion Corp. NightSong Directorate
287
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Posted - 2013.02.20 23:58:00 -
[74] - Quote
Gryphon Infinite wrote: The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.
You're complaining how an estimated price of an item is not an accurate price based on what you determine to be the accurate price?
An estimate is simply a generalized value based on, in this case the price of an item over a period of time and throughout the Eve universe. It should be used to only give you a general idea of an items value, which is exactly what it was intended to be. New players can easily see that an an item they just looted is worth far more isk then what it is currently being bought for in their region, and helps players who do not use 3rd party tools know what the over all value of an item has been on average though the universe, not just their region or just Jita..
Gryphon Infinite wrote: Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
You cannot simply ignore the number in the bottom right corner? Does this value being displayed somehow directly affect you're ability to play the game or cause additional steps for you?
Gryphon Infinite wrote: With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.
That would be just silly and would make the feature completely useless. The point of the estimated price is so players know what other players have been overall buying or selling the item at over time. Showing prices based on region/system would give far more inaccurate results then the current system. That and you know, if you want to view the regional price just right click > view market data.
I'm guessing this is less of a "This game mechanic is broken and stupid and smells bad" and more about how you're pissed that players are now going out of the regions of space you have buy orders setup for considerably less then the average market value and are unwilling to adapt to how players who are now more informed about the value of the items they are selling. |
Bane Veradun
Black Sun Dawning
1
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:00:00 -
[75] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Its the average across EVE, its not ment to be accurate.
Then it is useless, and therefore needs to be removed until it can become more accurate. If this is not possible, then we can do without it. Eve players have managed pretty well without it before, we'll survive without it. While you only co-opt the darkness for your petty purposes, I was borne of the darkness. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1163
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:25:00 -
[76] - Quote
Gryphon Infinite wrote:The estimated price, when you hover over an inventory item, is pretty pointless right now. Many discussions throughout the past have talked about it, and have verified that it isn't working properly.
Please just disable it for now, it literally doesn't do much, and is an annoyance.
OR
With more effort, make this price just reflect like the cheapest buy order in the region / constellation / system / etc.
Hope to hear everyone's feedback on this phenomena and my idea.
If you don't like it you know you could always just like, I dunno, ignore it. And then the people who do seem to like it could not ignore it. |
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
795
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:28:00 -
[77] - Quote
Eram Fidard wrote:A little something for those inclined to post these things... http://imgur.com/NOTa2Pfp.s. I'm terrible at flow charts, I know, but not as terrible as this posting... Crap. Time to roll up my tent and go home.
Or not.
Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
29
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Posted - 2013.02.21 00:42:00 -
[78] - Quote
Topic moved from General Discussion to Features and Idea forum. ISD Tyrozan Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
956
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Posted - 2013.02.21 03:42:00 -
[79] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it.
Just link it to Jita averages. Ta-da! Done.
I mean, that's what we all compare everything to anyway... CCP may as well run with it.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Sir Substance
Quantum Triplines
583
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Posted - 2013.02.21 05:33:00 -
[80] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Sir Substance wrote:It makes far more sense to make it work rather then scrap it. Just link it to Jita averages. Ta-da! Done. I mean, that's what we all compare everything to anyway... CCP may as well run with it. You didn't read the thread. We can all tell. Ishtar Starfire: As a pure caldari pilot i feel that with the deployment of the new tier 3 battlecruisers you have given an unfair advantage to everyone except caldari pilots. an example would be like giving a fat kid a whole cake while the skinny kid has to watch and get nothing.
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
960
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Posted - 2013.02.21 11:11:00 -
[81] - Quote
Sir Substance wrote:You didn't read the thread. We can all tell.
You're right! In fact, I hardly ever read an entire thread. I read the OP and skip to responding to the OP. Why? Because I know that everything between the OP and my own will be nothing but trolling, so why bother?
Go ahead, try to tell me I'm wrong.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
14154
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Posted - 2013.02.21 11:16:00 -
[82] - Quote
Katran Luftschreck wrote:Sir Substance wrote:You didn't read the thread. We can all tell. You're right! In fact, I hardly ever read an entire thread. I read the OP and skip to responding to the OP. Why? Because I know that everything between the OP and my own will be nothing but trolling, so why bother? Go ahead, try to tell me I'm wrong. You are wrong. Reading the thread would tell you that.
As far as the OP is concerned, I agree with the majority in the thread. It works rather well as is and nothing makes you use it. If you wish to use, say Jita prices as a guide, then have an alt parked there.
Vote Malcanis for CSM 8 |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
231
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
Irya Boone wrote:It could be More accurate , more usefull if
The system admit the existence of Hubs ( jita, rens , hek , amarr ,dodixie) And set the estimated Price on the Top buy order in the NEAREST hub from You as simple as it. or more simple Choose only one HUB .. you know which one i'm talking about and set the estimated price on the top buyer order.
Simple simple like a GM said : i'm sure it's only one Line code....
That's only for people who can't be bothered to a) move stuff and b) have patience.
Selling stuff outside of hubs can be very profitable.
And still, as other people have said, the feature it's meant to give an exact price, but a ballpark figure, and in this regard it works perfectly.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
100
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:54:00 -
[84] - Quote
You can copy and paste your inventory listing to google docs these days. From there on u can use API calls to eve-central for instance to pull up all sorts of pricing information.
If you're too lazy to spend some time to set this up, you probably aren't using this stuff for anything important anyway and shouldn't be whining on the forums about it in the first place.
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Jalequin
StarHunt
7
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Posted - 2013.02.21 17:06:00 -
[85] - Quote
Removing this feature would make it more difficult for people to know the rough average worth of their item stack. Currently you only need to hover over it, removing it would mean you need to right-click view market to see the worth. More clicks for the same result.
What we do need is a way to sort them by stack worth. Better yet, have settings to allow us to see the highest buy order or lowest sell order if we wish.
Ya Huei wrote:You can copy and paste your inventory listing to google docs these days. From there on u can use API calls to eve-central for instance to pull up all sorts of pricing information.
If you're too lazy to spend some time to set this up, you probably aren't using this stuff for anything important anyway and shouldn't be whining on the forums about it in the first place.
I'm interested in this, link please. The hot tub is cool now, but they poisoned it. Then they started clapping for the mad cow until someone sold him. When they died, they had him stuffed -like that water buffalo, stuffed-. |
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