*sniff* So.. Since I'm new, I am not allowed to create a corp? Not even for me and my alt? *sniff*

Oh wait! I know! How about as a paying customer It is my CCP given right to utilize any aspect of the game in which I choose at any given time of my choosing.

G'day.

Enforcing your view of EVE upon others is part of the game it's one of the reasons its fun to play. You can try to enforce it on someone else and they can resist. If you take on more than you can handle you might end up being the one who has a view of EVE enforced upon yourself. See: miners vs. "The New Order" saga for examples.

Posting in terrible trolling thread made by a terrible troll

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But the majority of RL corporations don't do any fighting, they rely on the state or specialist corporations to do it.

Anyway its just semantics, not important. Corps are called corps because its more sci-fi than guilds.

No. They do not really want others to change, but they want to have a reason to play their game in their way, which often means to avoid playing "by the book" (meaning to follow social conventions, being morally right, etc.), but to do something new. I pitty those who take these "EVE revolutionaries" serious.

Someone who speaks the English language. Ignorant means you don't have knowledge about something. New players are ignorant. That's what makes them new players. When they've been playing long enough to be knowledgeable they're not new players anymore.

What right do carebears have to force people to play by their rules by using a grey-area exploit to avoid wardecs? Why are they special?

Me. This may come as a surprise to you, but Eve had a beta. Experienced players were forming corps on the very first day of launch.


In case you haven't noticed, the entire Caldari state is made up of corporations. Pony Express couriers were armed IRL. Being a corporation doesn't mean you don't fight.


Someone who speaks the English language. Ignorant means you don't have knowledge about something. New players are ignorant. That's what makes them new players. When they've been playing long enough to be knowledgeable they're not new players anymore.

One of the common fallacies propogated by the ignorant in EvE is "Trust no one"... especially if they know more about the game than you do.

Only because they outsource everything these days.

So isn't that what mercs and war alliances are for?

No. They do not really want others to change, but they want to have a reason to play their game in their way, which often means to avoid playing "by the book" (meaning to follow social conventions, being morally right, etc.), but to do something new. I pitty those who take these "EVE revolutionaries" serious.

You are arrogant and ignorant! Do you believe a new player does not know that he is new to the game? Do you believe they need you to point this out to them? To be patronized by some wannabe leader??

Anyone who would take up on your judgement is doomed to be lead by a fool. This I doubt is not what the OP had in mind, but, hey, lead away! The more, the merrier.

what they get told is that they can't start doing any of the actually interesting **** in eve until they have 30 million sp and 10b in their wallet. They're told that everything that puts them into direct competition with other players will cause their face and hands to turn into poisonous scorpions and that they need to mine and grind missions until they grow bored enough of this game to unsubscribe.

Do they really? Where do they say this?

Do they really? Where do they say this? I see in "The New Halaima Code of Conduct" that they are enforcing their view which is summarized as "no afk mining allowed" by suicide ganking and bumping the offending miners. The "rebel miners" have decided that "afk mining is allowed and encouraged," they try to resist with websites and tactics. The fact it spawned some content is coincidental and great.

Do you take into consideration that in wanting to have a reason to play their game in their way that they must enforce their views on other players in order to do so?

Some people hear that EVE is a great PVP game, and when they get into the game, they go looking for a PVP training corp. Other hear that EVE has this really complex materials, research, manufacturing, player driven market, etc. When they come into the game, they go looking for a high sec, industrial corporation.

The problem comes when the PVPers think they know better what "EVE is about" and think they can dictate to others, how those others should play this game.

I don't think anyone is telling the new players this stuff.

Also, everyone seems to have some kind of crazy aversion to hiring mercs. I don't get it. Is it because it effects the number in your wallet that you treat as a high score?

New players are by definition ignorant. Since you seem so keen to shut an undeniable fact out of your mind, I wonder which of us is actually the fool.

This is an easy one, the mercs are charging to much. I was inquiring about highsec wardec costs and most of them want way more than they are worth. It averaged 2.5 billion to go after a 50 man highsec mining corp which is ridiculous.

I did not see me disagreeing to your "undeniable fact".

Gross. I mean, I guess there's things to be said about the difference in cost between the Orphanage model when you dec **** for super cheap and get whatever you get vs. the model of deccing select targets and making their lives a personal Vietnam.

The latter should be much more expensive. Although 2.5b is nuts. 1b is much more realistic in my experience.

... anyways, end tangent. That's a discussion for a different thread.

And you say I'm the one getting lost.

Theres this game called Eveonline, its a sandbox, that means players can do whatever they want within reason and as long as they follow the EULA. It has worked well for some 10 years and theres always people whom think they can improve it buy suggesting how people should play in said "sandbox". The reason this game has survived is because most people ignore these players and contuniue playing the way they want. Thats why the game has survived for 10 years