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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
7744
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Arduemont wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing. Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation. Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though. There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.
Succintly expressed, sir. Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread |

Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1243
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Arduemont wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing. Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation. Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though. There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.
I wouldn't argue there isn't a different. I also wouldn't argue there is. I'm just saying, I personally wouldn't risk finding out whether CCP thought there was a difference or not the hard way.
RubyPorto wrote: So... spies are breaking the EULA?
No. If I had a spy in Goons... I would probably never have to say "I am not the same person as Arduemont". Why would they ask me that? Therefore If CCP didn't see a difference between pretending not to be who you are and pretending to be who you arn't, then you still wouldn't have actually done either of those things. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Dante Uisen
Push button receive bacon
132
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.
Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not? |

Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1243
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:31:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are. Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not?
Yea, that was kind of the point I was trying to make.
If your pretending to not be you, then who are you pretending to be? The answer can only be.. someone else. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

luZk
x13 Whores in space
130
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:39:00 -
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I think it's safe to say this is covered by the EULA as "identity faking". |

Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1243
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:42:00 -
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I could settle this if I could only bloody find where the rule is written. I'm 99% sure that its here somewhere. If it says something like "Do no impersonate another player" then pretending not to be yourself is not that, and therefore fine... but if the wording is different it could put you in danger. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3997
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:57:00 -
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Dante Uisen wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are. Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not? No, because the difference is pretending to be someone else (as in if I were to pretend to be Chribba or The Mittani or someone else who plays eve) can cause damage to their reputation, while pretending to be some alter ego person who doesn't actually exist doesn't have the potential to unfairly hurt anyone. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

Djana Libra
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
62
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:59:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Arduemont wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing. Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation. Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though. There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.
its the internet you can pretend to be or not to be a 3 legged midget with 7 boobs for all we care.
Anyways ppl that buy toons and apply with that as a main are always fishy n looked into more closely. just stop with all the corp hopping and stick with a corp even when things go bad for a while and help it get back on track.
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Fenrisian Wolf
Stahl Arms and Shipyards V0RTEX.
2
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:59:00 -
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Bob Nesta Marley wrote:Ey wot ya know, brudda? No rude boy be scopin dis ting, seen? Respect
I don't even know what this means but respect! |

Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
189
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:15:00 -
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I'll forgive you for your past if you forgive me for mine, James. Not today spaghetti. |

Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1243
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:20:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Dante Uisen wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are. Pretending not to be who you are, would that not imply pretending to be someone you're not? No, because the difference is pretending to be someone else (as in if I were to pretend to be Chribba or The Mittani or someone else who plays eve) can cause damage to their reputation, while pretending to be some alter ego person who doesn't actually exist doesn't have the potential to unfairly hurt anyone.
I know that's what the rule was probably created for, but the literal word "else" simpley means "other than". So if you pretending to be someone else, your just pretending to be someone who isn't you and that's all. It wouldn't mean to pretend to be anyone specific. I know it's just semantics and arguably a pointless discussion given the likely intention of the rule... but what really counts is whether CCP make this distinction. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
605
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Posted - 2013.02.21 16:23:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:That's why europeans can freely travel over whole Europe and i need to get visa for the same purpose.
Same can be said from an European when he travels in other countries than EU, you don't need VIsa to go from Florida to Washington, we don't need that one neither to travel in European partner Countries (see it like sort of European united states) *removed inappropriate ASCII art signature* - CCP Eterne |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2788
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Posted - 2013.02.21 18:20:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:I know that's what the rule was probably created for, but the literal word "else" simpley means "other than". So if you pretending to be someone else, your just pretending to be someone who isn't you and that's all. It wouldn't mean to pretend to be anyone specific. I know it's just semantics and arguably a pointless discussion given the likely intention of the rule... but what really counts is whether CCP make this distinction.
If you are going to make an argument that hinges on the specific wording of a rule, you kind of have to produce a copy of the rule you're talking about.
Have you found it yet? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Fredfredbug4
The Scope Gallente Federation
433
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Posted - 2013.02.21 19:58:00 -
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Only in GD can a thread like this turn into a place for people to cry about Goons. I accidentally my assets, is this bad?-á |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:40:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Only in GD can a thread like this turn into a place for people to cry about Goons.
It happens in a lot of forums... though in a lot of other games, it ends up being about a guild called Ruinous. The guilt by association thing is pretty childish, but I suppose in EVE there is at least some cause to be defensive due to how easy scamming and theft is. Anyways, on to the OP's idea... not against the rules, but seems pretty strongly against the spirit of the rules. Or it could be called a scam in itself, which IS explicitly forbidden. I know there's a word for this particular kind of thing in real life, I just can't remember it for the life of me. |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
2325
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:45:00 -
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Fredfredbug4 wrote:Only in GD can a thread like this turn into a place for people to cry about Goons.
Ill just leave this here Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2286
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Posted - 2013.02.21 20:51:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve. I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED! Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp? I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****. I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe. That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.
You are what's known in statistical analysis as an outlier.
You would be tossed from any rational mind as an anomaly and be judged by the fact that you are a goon. It's the price you, as an individual, pay for joining them. As wonderful a person as you may be, you are tainted with the goon stink and it will never go away.
I'm not saying it's fair, I'm just saying it's the way it is.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |

The CandyGirl
the unified Negative Ten.
37
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:50:00 -
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For those that don't know or don't understand the eula. It is talking about impersonating someone else. Ie making people think you are someone else to ruin their reputation etc.
Hiding who you really are is different |

The CandyGirl
the unified Negative Ten.
37
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:51:00 -
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Double post |

Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
85
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Posted - 2013.02.21 22:57:00 -
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The CandyGirl wrote:For those that don't know or don't understand the eula. It is talking about impersonating someone else. Ie making people think you are someone else to ruin their reputation etc.
Hiding who you really are is different
Yeah, there is a difference. Still, its still being a shill (found the word I was thinking). Which can very much count as a scam, especially since its hard to tell the difference between someone driving an auction up higher artificially or going through with this idea. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2850
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Posted - 2013.02.21 23:44:00 -
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Whitehound wrote:Still would not take the guy. Who buys a character with a terrible corp history??
Biomass! You might be surprised. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |

dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
32
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Posted - 2013.02.22 03:44:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote: former Goon
Please tell me more about how a former goon is a bad person. I have no ties to the swarm, but dammit they like to have fun and they play eve the way they want to play, and thats how a sandbox should be played. I've found that a good portion of the people who don't like Goons either got scammed by them in a completely obvious way, or they have heard that they shouldn't like them without making their own minds up. |

Wescro
Tash-Murkon Amalgamated Security
278
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Posted - 2013.02.22 04:38:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Bad past? Here's how to deal with it.
Read that as "bad post." Gladly I don't need help with that. James 315-á-áis the only pro-sandbox candidate running for CSM 8. Resist the theme-park invasion from dying MMOs like WoW! Keep the only sandbox MMO alive! Vote 315 4 CSM8!!! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1784
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Posted - 2013.02.22 15:17:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:
What do I get if I let in a Goon, I'll tell ya, I get screwed.
Of course we will, that's what you do with a little *****, screw them. |

Azami Nevinyrall
Carbon Circle Tactical Narcotics Team
696
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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:31:00 -
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Bob Nesta Marley wrote:Ey wot ya know, brudda? No rude boy be scopin dis ting, seen? Respect Ok, now in English... Apperently I'm on twitter now... @AzamiNevinyrall |
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ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
48

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Posted - 2013.02.22 16:32:00 -
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Thread is being locked because it has digressed into irrelevancies and personal attacks. Keep it civil in the future and steer clear of trolls. ISD Flidais Asagiri Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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