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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3996
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:08:00 -
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Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

dark heartt
I Own Four Sheep Silent Requiem
25
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:18:00 -
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Except now you've told them all about it... |

Hershman
Creepers Corporation Creepers Alliance
188
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:27:00 -
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The things hershman did cannot be undone |

Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
127
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:32:00 -
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It's a little bit grey... The rules of the Bazaar are designed to keep it seperate from the Metagame after all - and this is very definitly meta...
It's not, as a specific scenario, against the rules per se; but its something of a risk. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3996
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:35:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:Except now you've told them all about it... I don't plan on using it myself. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
804
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Congratulations, you've probably just caused a New Rule.  Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.
Malcanis for CSM8 |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2783
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Posted - 2013.02.21 08:51:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:It's not, as a specific scenario, against the rules per se; but its something of a risk.
Of what? If it's not against the rules, what do you think the risk is?
Also, I see nothing in the rules of the Character Bazaar that indicates that it is intended to be walled off from the metagame. The ban on scams is simply to allow similar functionality to the in game market (where you will always get the item you paid for, and exactly the item you paid for, at exactly the price you paid). There's no ban on overpriced characters, afterall. This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Ifly Uwalk
Empire Tax Collection Agency
554
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Posted - 2013.02.21 10:18:00 -
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What a novel idea, I never thought of it before.
Honest. |

Whitehound
903
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Posted - 2013.02.21 10:19:00 -
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Still would not take the guy. Who buys a character with a terrible corp history??
Biomass! Loss is meaningful. Therefore is the loss of meaning likewise meaningful. It is the source of all trolling. |

Bob Nesta Marley
Republic University Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2013.02.21 10:20:00 -
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Ey wot ya know, brudda? No rude boy be scopin dis ting, seen? Respect |

Pepper Mind
Spicy Enterprises
1
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Posted - 2013.02.21 10:24:00 -
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And suddenly you have to have a character, which fits in Full Api-Key stories. If you say, you bought it with PLEX, they probably reject you, because of missing experience. If you make a mistake in your story, they'd know that you have another account, want this api too. Sollution: Let your Gf talk in teamspeak, everyone believes you. |

Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
218
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:03:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;)
Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.
I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1781
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:14:00 -
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Pewty McPew wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve. I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED! Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?
I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.
I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.
That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting. |

Kristopher Rocancourt
Quality Assurance The Marmite Collective
42
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;)
excellent idea |

Pewty McPew
EVE Corporation 2357451
219
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:37:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Pewty McPew wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve. I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED! Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?
What do I get if I let in a Goon, I'll tell ya, I get screwed.
Quote:I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.
I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.
Dosen't matter, Guilt by association. Once a Goon always a Goon
Quote:That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.
I guarantee, that's not the case.
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Abrazzar
872
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:43:00 -
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And then you'll get rejected because the corp only wants people with legit characters and not bought ones. Mining Overhaul Nothing changed since 2008. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
812
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:45:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:They'll never know the difference. ;) character ids and account ids are handed out sequentially.
ask for old-style api keys and you can use the userid to get a good estimate (by comparing it to known userids/creation dates from other alliance members) when the account was created.
usually it would be a red flag if the characters on an account are much younger or older than the account itself - but in your scenario the character and account might have been created at roughly the same time and tip the security guys off that a character transfer never happened. I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
253
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:11:00 -
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Confirming that I am the original owner of James Amril-Kesh. |

John DaiSho
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
90
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:24:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote: Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp?
I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****.
I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe.
That and I have alts that are clean, you no nothing about, and could be in your corp right now; just waiting.
Goonswarm has a big, self build reputation as players that are very loyal to other goons but will happily scam everyone that is not one of their closest friends/allies for their own gain, and they are proud of it. I am sure, in between that thousands of players in there, there are some that do not do such a thing. But they have to understand that it will be very hard, if not impossible, to convince others that they are that one out of a thousand that does not scam/steal/whatever. |

Ptraci
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
1289
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:25:00 -
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Didn't want to be in that corp anyway. |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1028
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;)
If someone needs to read this thread to figure this out, they're too stupid to be in my corp anyway. The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |

Arduemont
Tempest Legion Corcoran State
1243
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:47:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;)
Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.
Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation.
Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

March rabbit
player corp n1
554
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar.
there was thread about cleaning character history. People argued against resetting. "consequences" they say.
Your post shows that i was right about "consequences" linked to character. They never work.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3842
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:55:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote: I don't know if there are other ways (than old-style api keys) for a 3rd party to get your userid and verify it (you yourself can get it from the debug monitor or your settings files) but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that such ways exist and are used.
Now, now, don't spread some secrets!  Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Nulli Legio
35
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:57:00 -
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and except most corps wont accept chars that have just been bought - doh |

March rabbit
player corp n1
554
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Posted - 2013.02.21 14:59:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Pewty McPew wrote: Doesn't matter how many times you buy/sell a character. If someone is dumb enough to say, accept a former Goon then they get what they deserve.
I look at corp history, regardless of who owns the character. if it has a questionable past then DENIED!
Please explain. What, exactly, do you get if you let a former goon in your corp? I've never ganked anyone. I've never scammed anyone. I've never actually done anything to anyone. I build ****. I've got a better reputation and history then asshats like you who have a hard on for people like me, just because I'm in goonwaffe. you are part of goons. This is enough to never trust you.
And don't say this is stupid or bad somehow. People always look at another people from point of their social group. That's why europeans can freely travel over whole Europe and i need to get visa for the same purpose. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
3996
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:03:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Getting rejected from corp applications because you have too many corps in your history? Or maybe you did something else in your past that gave you a reputation you can't shake off. How does one get rid of this?
Easy. All you need to do is make a post in the character bazaar. With this character, say character #1 (on account #1), make a thread in the character bazaar advertising it for sale. Allow some time for other people to place bids, etc. on this character. Then with another character on the same account, make a higher bid than everyone else. Pretend to accept this bid with character #1, and mark the thread as SOLD. Additionally you could do other things to make it more believable, like indicate the transfer has begun, character received, send evemails back and forth, etc.
Then, when somebody rejects your corp application or gives you trouble because of your reputation or corp history, simply show them the thread in the character bazaar and explain that the character was bought so you're not the same person. They'll never know the difference. ;) Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing. Now obviously there is little CCP can actually do in game to stop people from doing this, so it's a fine line. Also, so long as you don't physically say your not the same person you could be all right... but I still wouldn't risk it. But if your forced to say "No, I didn't own this character before then", then it's a straight up violation. Edit: Apparently it's not in the EULA. I checked it to be sure. However, I do know that when a scammer claims to be another indevidual for the purposes of a scam it is considered an exploit and I believe people have been banned for it before. I'll have to check the forums for where it says that though. There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |

De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade The East India Co.
1028
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: There's a difference between pretending to be someone you're not, and pretending not to be who you are.
I pretend to be someone I'm not every day. There's no way they'd let me fly a spaceship in real life! The Margin Trading Scam: If you fell for it, it's your own damned fault. Malcanis for CSM 8
Eve Online: The full-contact sport for your brain. |

RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
2787
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:19:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Actually I'm pretty sure this is to a violation of the EULA. Currently there is a section that prohibits you from pretending be any person other than yourself. To pretend to be another player is against the EULA. And if your saying you are someone else from who you are (ie, to pretend your character was sold and your not the person who owned the character in the first place), then it's pretty much the same thing.
So... spies are breaking the EULA? This is EVE - Everybody Versus Everybody.
"the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP)." -CCP Solomon |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4537
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Posted - 2013.02.21 15:24:00 -
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it's actually possible to detect this but really only the biggest alliances go to the effort so you're fine 95% of the time |
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