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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:12:00 -
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CCP Xhagen and I are here to bring you the newest changes to the CSM election processes, CSM White Paper, and Election Schedule. All these details and more can be found here. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2625
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:15:00 -
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First Re-elect Trebor to CSM8 GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó My CSM Blog |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1616
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:16:00 -
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I look forward to seeing how our team games the system this time around. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Chitsa Jason
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
395
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:18:00 -
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Woohooo :) At last Chitsa Jason for CSM8 |

Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:19:00 -
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So wormholers will have a primary after all. |

Chitsa Jason
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
395
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:22:00 -
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Why did the election got moved to the later date? According to this dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3386 CSM8 should take office April 3rd 2013. Chitsa Jason for CSM8 |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1616
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:25:00 -
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Results are announced at Fanfest, which is a month later this year. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
1051
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:28:00 -
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Wonder how this will end up |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1617
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:29:00 -
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Will there be increased efforts to raise awareness of the CSM season this time, which in many people's eyes would be a far more important step for the CSM, and do a far better job of making the process legitimate, than fiddling with the voting system? Asking us to vote twice and to make 14 choices on the second occasion isn't exactly going to appeal to the apathetic Joe Random Eve Player. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1618
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:37:00 -
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Is it 14 votes exactly, or up to 14? If I only see 4 candidates I like the look of, do I have to cast the remaining 10 or can they be discarded? Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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Dierdra Vaal
Koshaku Gentlemen's Agreement
213
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:37:00 -
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I'll be running a completely updated and overhauled version of Vote Match this year, to hopefully help people in deciding which candidates get their vote(s). :)
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |

Ellahan Vhektor
Clann Fian Transmission Lost
6
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:37:00 -
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Cass Lie wrote:So wormholers will have a primary after all. yes his name is Cipreh you will find his thread here as a member of his corp 7 months now i would like to voice my oppinion of him i think hes a fair and just leader and some one that you want to represent your voice if you are a wormhole capsuler CIPREH FOR ALL THE CSM'S! GòöGòùGòæGòæ GòöGòùGòæGòæGòª Gòª-áGòªGòªGòöGòù GòöGòù GòªGòöGòùGòöGòùGòöGòù GòæGòæGòáGòú GòÜGòùGòáGòúGòæ Gòæ-áGòæGòæGòÜGòù GòáGòú GòæGòáGòúGòáGòúGòáGò¥ GòÜGò¥GòæGòæ GòÜGò¥GòæGòæGò¬ Gòæ-áGò¬GòæGòÜGò¥ GòæGòæ GòæGòæGòÜGòæGòæGòæ
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
7224
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:38:00 -
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It's that time of the year again
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RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:38:00 -
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Quote:The summit attendees will use a new 2+5 system, with CCP and the CSM working together to pick the 5 hardest working and most feature relevant CSMs being flown to each summit and the final 2 attendees will be the "most preferred" candidates, chosen by reentering the election results into an STV election to select the top 2 candidates.
This is a system open to neither abuse nor gaming, with absolutely no chance of someone (you know who you are) trying to use it as a "keep the Goons out of the CSM" tool. ~ |

Raid'En
200
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:39:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:A back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that a Schulze-STV election with 14 seats and 28 candidates would take over 9 years to compute on a decent PC. How much extra downtime would be needed to make TQ do it? 
So anyway, if I get this right, this system means big blocs who organize things have no reasons to do that anymore, and also explains why the WH guys didn't do a primary, as it's not needed anymore. Well, also means I won't have to wonder who I choose to send my votes between the 2-3 guys I wanted elected who didn't had support from a powerful bloc.
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
533
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:41:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Will there be increased efforts to raise awareness of the CSM season this time, which in many people's eyes would be a far more important step for the CSM, and do a far better job of making the process legitimate, than fiddling with the voting system? Asking us to vote twice and to make 14 choices on the second occasion isn't exactly going to appeal to the apathetic Joe Random Eve Player.
Maybe they can make it so you can generate a "vote key" that ticks the boxes for you; similar to what they have for API keys. Would also allow for candidates to easily specify their preferred preferences. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1618
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:43:00 -
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The 'most feature relevant' part of the summit attendee section bothers me somewhat, since the summits should be covering a wide spectrum of topics, not just "lets talk about our new lowsec (for example) revamp expansion for three days". How will this be decided?
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |

Orisa Medeem
Hedion University Amarr Empire
24
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:46:00 -
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But what about increasing the visibility inside the client as mentioned in the minutes? Is it still going to happen? :sand: -áover -á:awesome: |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
4563
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:48:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Is it 14 votes exactly, or up to 14? If I only see 4 candidates I like the look of, do I have to cast the remaining 10 or can they be discarded? I'm wondering this myself. There haven't been 14 good candidates in any of the previous elections. What's more important is, that there are always godawful ones and it'd be a shame to be forced to have your votes have even a theoretical chance of going to a person who you actively oppose. |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2625
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:49:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Is it 14 votes exactly, or up to 14? If I only see 4 candidates I like the look of, do I have to cast the remaining 10 or can they be discarded? As far as I know, you'll be able to select any number from 1 to 14. You may be amused to learn that my position was that you should be able to rank all the candidates if you so desired.
Re-elect Trebor to CSM8 GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó My CSM Blog |
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
166
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:49:00 -
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This all looks simpler and more transparent than the previous system. Fear God and Thread Nought |

CynoNet Two
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2013.02.21 12:53:00 -
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Is there still no change to the policy of revealing candidate real names publically on the Internet? I wonder how many potentially great representatives we're missing out on because they don't want to be e-stalked for blowing up someone's Internet spaceship. |

Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2625
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:03:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:The 'most feature relevant' part of the summit attendee section bothers me somewhat, since the summits should be covering a wide spectrum of topics, not just "lets talk about our new lowsec (for example) revamp expansion for three days". How will this be decided? CCP will consult with CSM before deciding on who goes. Lets say we know Industry will be a significant topic; we would want a CSM who really lives and breathes industry to go, even if he were, say, elected 10th.
The secondary goal is to ensure that if a CSM delegate works hard, he/she will get at least one trip (either to a summit or fanfest). That is only fair, given the level of effort that being an active CSM requires.
The tertiary goal (of this and of the change to STV) is to increase the quality of CSM candidates by providing a bit more of a carrot and making it less likely that similar candidate will commit mutual electoral suicide.
How this will work in practice we shall have to see, but based on the way CSMs 5-7 worked internally, I'm not too worried about political nonsense and butthurt. Re-elect Trebor to CSM8 GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó My CSM Blog |

Konrad Kane
GoonWaffe
69
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:13:00 -
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I'm probably misunderstanding this, because I'm a little dopey.
Will you have to stack rank all 14 candidates? That seems somewhat onerous, wouldn't be better to say you can select up to 14 people who may ore may not get your vote. Making the voting system harder work seems counter intuitive. |

Forlorn Wongraven
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
50
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:14:00 -
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Totes voting the CSM of my heart as #1. Than gonna pick random 0.0 guys from all other alliances to kick out high-sec candidates. Sounds akka-awesome! Shadoo > whoever was the first nyx on grid Shadoo > THANK GOD YOU ARE A SMART MAN and fitted the best tank in PL Shadoo > (ie. cyno) |

PalkAn4ik
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:31:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:As mentioned in the devblog, CCP has not settled on the exact STV counting method to be used in the election. This is basically a tradeoff between systems that are simple and ones that are more complex but generate slightly better proportional results. In all cases, the actual casting of ballots is the same -- you specify one or more candidates, in your order of preference. It's just the counting method (and the reallocation of votes as candidates are elected and eliminated) that changes. One system that isn't feasible is Schulze-STV. While it is a very good counting method, its computational complexity explodes as the number of candidates and seats goes up. A back-of-the-envelope calculation indicates that a Schulze-STV election with 14 seats and 28 candidates would take over 9 years to compute on a decent PC. The following links may be useful to those who are interested in suggesting counting systems: * Wikipedia: Single Transferable Vote* Wikipedia: Counting single transferable votes* OpenSTV (Software)
I was trying to look it up and having no luck. What is the Big O notation you got for that algorithm? |

Tayno Errakken
Peace and Progress
1
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:34:00 -
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Preferential voting for CSM is a Good Thing. +1000 likes.
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
694

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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:37:00 -
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PalkAn4ik wrote:I was trying to look it up and having no luck. What is the Big O notation you got for that algorithm? Since it operates on all possible sets of candidates, it grows O(numCandidates choose numSeats) CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Jassmin Joy
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
66
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:47:00 -
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Not sure if this should be asked somewhere else, but is there a specific reason for cms's needing to be over 21? Just one of those old rules that we're sticking to, or is there something i'm not getting at first glance? |

Jesspa
BlackWing Cartel
29
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Posted - 2013.02.21 13:50:00 -
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Konrad Kane wrote:I'm probably misunderstanding this, because I'm a little dopey.
Will you have to stack rank all 14 candidates? That seems somewhat onerous, wouldn't be better to say you can select up to 14 people who may ore may not get your vote. Making the voting system harder work seems counter intuitive.
I'm mainly quoting you because you've said just what I was thinking, but also because you're so hardcore EVE that you subconsciously write "ore" instead of "or". 
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