This system of voting will give Null sec blocs an unprecedented security to get at least 1 and most likely 2 candidates in
The only way that independents can run is through sheer name recognition or they need to ally themselves into political groups.

I have to congrat CCPgames by playing the meta game on a new level by rigging the rules, either convert or stay on the outside.

This only confirms my suspicion that from now on CCP wants to invest it time into nullsec (Sovereignty, sanctums, alliance mechanics, futher intergration of Dust514, bottom up income, technetium moons, capital fleet force projection, itterate on TiDi)

My only hope is that they dont forget to give good opportunities for small independent entities, Null sec needs to be a place where newer or smaller alliances can survive and larger ones can't easily crush them, add alot of diminishing returns as a prevention imo.

I want to make sure I understand this correctly. Say there are 60k votes; the threshold is then 4001 votes. Now say I were to be marked as top preference on 5000 ballots. I would get my 4001 votes at full value and be declared provisionally elected, and then the remaining 999 votes are distributed evenly to the second choices on the 5000 ballots that ranked me as first, giving each slightly less than 0.2 votes apiece. This continues until all seats are filled. Because of the proportional transfer, it doesn't matter whose votes I receive "first", because a portion of all votes transfer.

Is that correct, at least in the basic details?

yes his name is Cipreh you will find his thread here as a member of his corp 7 months now i would like to voice my oppinion of him i think hes a fair and just leader and some one that you want to represent your voice if you are a wormhole capsuler
CIPREH FOR ALL THE CSM'S!

I will admit it is kind of funny that we are using the voting system designed to give the fish and chip party an extra seat in the senate.

Please Explain

But one other question, as the votes have to be stored in a database to work out the preference voting will they remain anonymous?

So why does it have to be that way? Just curious?

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Smells a bit like elections rigging....

It's not nefarious, it's just the closest some nerds* can come to solving a social issue with math.

* I say this in an endearing way

It's not nefarious, it's just the closest some nerds* can come to solving a social issue with math.

* I say this in an endearing way

But one other question, as the votes have to be stored in a database to work out the preference voting will they remain anonymous?

Has the HBC/CFC voting bloc published who the top ten vote-getters will be yet, or are they still sorting that out internally?

You can bet that every last piece of literature on how to rig that Wright algorythm through ballot stuffing is being scrutinized with undeterred attention.

As this election is all about not wasting votes, will the preliminary vote have an up to date counter or a greying out of candidates to show those that have reached the 200 votes required to go on the main ballot?

As is seems strange to have the main as an STV and the prelim as a first past the post.

The first election is not FPTP since there is no limit on how many can qualify. It's just a hoop you have to jump through.

No decision has been made (AFAIK) as to whether there will be any indication that candidates have made it past the threshold. My personal position is that CCP should inform the candidates when they have qualified, and leave it up to them whether they want to reveal that information. Also that the preliminary election is probably not going to achieve what they want.

Ok so its not FPTP but it is still weird to go through this much for the main election and then have vote wasting in the prelim.

Its a business Frying Doom, the waste gets cast aside. Into a lake or an ocean even for the better.

Those wasted votes on the prelims, aren't business enough, or matter too much, so they are caste aside. That way people will focus their strength into voting that will mean business, so no votes are wasted then, so business won't be hurt.

You have to look at determining waste in the business sense Frying Doom to understand this. Waste that has no strength or focus is really waste then.

You keep acting like CCP is a political body over the game or new eden universe, its not, they are a business. This is how you have to look at things to understand, what is happening.

Most of this makes perfect business and what else would you expect from an expert masterful business.

The old system, flawed as FPTP is, was moving towards a trend of blocs only putting forth a single official candidiate. This was in large part due to the fact that more than one candidate was completely unnecessary - there were no votes or anything of the sort, everything that needed to be decided (chair, who goes to Iceland) was decided before anyone took office, so "stacking the deck" was a pointless gesture. What this new system has done is introduce the CSM voting on things AND given a voting system that lends itself towards multiple candidates (or at the very least allowing nullsec to dictate who the majority of the council are), which undoes all of that. That's not really a good thing, especially when you're still trying to convince non-bloc-aligned people to actually care enough to participate.

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What I was hoping for when I heard there was going to be an electoral change would be a way to allow regional voting so the CSM would be more diversely populated. What it sounds like we'll get is a tyrany of the minority providing CCP with wildly skewed representation of the customer base and I anticipate voter turnout percentage to plummet especiallywith non-bloc customer base.

- 12th GÇô 20th of March: candidacy application period
- 22nd GÇô 29th of March: Pre-Election

The old system, flawed as FPTP is, was moving towards a trend of blocs only putting forth a single official candidiate. This was in large part due to the fact that more than one candidate was completely unnecessary - there were no votes or anything of the sort, everything that needed to be decided (chair, who goes to Iceland) was decided before anyone took office, so "stacking the deck" was a pointless gesture. What this new system has done is introduce the CSM voting on things AND given a voting system that lends itself towards multiple candidates (or at the very least allowing nullsec to dictate who the majority of the council are), which undoes all of that. That's not really a good thing, especially when you're still trying to convince non-bloc-aligned people to actually care enough to participate.

What's really funny is that the "minority" you refer to (obv. you mean nullsec) was pretty firmly AGAINST any kind of change to the voting system (you can check Xhagen's voting reform thread in Jita Park if you don't believe me). If CCP was swayed by anyone (and that's a big IF), it was by people like yourself and Frying Doom crying and screaming about NULL SEC LOBBY GROUPS and other such nonsense that would lead CCP to believe that the current population was not being fairly represented.

So hey, congrats, I guess?

And yet I guess CCP took what we said & gamed a system that'll do the exact opposite of what we are 'screaming' for
Without compulsorary sufferage like in the country they are modelling the system over (Australia) this thing is missing a major component that would make it work.

What's really funny is that the "minority" you refer to (obv. you mean nullsec) was pretty firmly AGAINST any kind of change to the voting system (you can check Xhagen's voting reform thread in Jita Park if you don't believe me). If CCP was swayed by anyone (and that's a big IF), it was by people like yourself and Frying Doom crying and screaming about NULL SEC LOBBY GROUPS and other such nonsense that would lead CCP to believe that the current population was not being fairly represented.

So hey, congrats, I guess?

You might want to read that thread again snow axe, while to start I did like the idea of a new voting system during part of tebors thread by the time CCP Xhagens was around I wanted a player awareness campaign, as on looking at a lot of the STV systems I realized it would further make the CSM filled with Null sec...So don't blame me for something I argued against.

Yeah, you did, but when you say that sort of stuff in the same breath as all of your other garbage about the CSM being a nullsec lobby group (when it was about as diverse a CSM as you could get), the real message comes across loud and clear (i.e. the CSM is not fairly representing players). Besides, as we can see with these developments, by the time Xhagen's thread came around it was already too late - CCP was going to change the system and that was that.

By the way, do you know wether there are any plans to provide candidate insight for the preliminary election? Like a single article explaining who are the candidates, what do they stand for and why should we help them pass the threshold?

For the pre-election the voters will be given the RL names connected with the Candidates' characters names correct?

I know CCP intends to do more, but I don't know if they will do this. But it's a decent idea and I will make sure that Xhagen and Dolan are pointed to your post.