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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.31 22:56:00 -
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Titans and T2 Battleships will be introduced and there you have it, a full fleet.
With Titans being able to carry fleets (maybe dreds?) this will make PVP so much more intresting...
But my question is, is anyone actually going to risk losing Titans and Dreads?
I can't see it happening tbh, if you follow eves history, no one likes losing alot of isk this way. Just take the fraction ships for example. Very few fly these in low sec.
So will this actually have an impact on PVP? I think it's hard to say, but I can't see these being used alot.
The only thing I can see useful will be the introduction of the T2 battleship.
Is risk becoming too much now?
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:03:00 -
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Even if you can't afford to use a dread, that doesn't mean no one can. The big boys are building their dreads as we speak, and they will use&lose em in battle. This is a computer game ffs.
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LNX Flocki
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:04:00 -
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Considering the price of these kinds of ships we won't see many anyway, be it in 0.0 fleet battles or elsewhere. imho we need ships with a price tag of somewhere between 250 and 500 mil which would be affordable for a larger chunk of the player base. Maybe tier 3 battleships or maybe a new ship class.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:04:00 -
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If you can afford it...why not?
I have often wondered if you could run a corp out of a Titan...similar to Battlestar Galactica hehe.
~Sobe
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infused
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Even if you can't afford to use a dread, that doesn't mean no one can. The big boys are building their dreads as we speak, and they will use&lose em in battle. This is a computer game ffs.
I don't think you will see the "big boys" using these as much. Why risk a dred when it takes 1.5b isk and a month of time to build?
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Embattle
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:07:00 -
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Oh yes Titans, they should really rename them Unicorns or some other mythical beast.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Even if you can't afford to use a dread, that doesn't mean no one can. The big boys are building their dreads as we speak, and they will use&lose em in battle. This is a computer game ffs.
I don't think you will see the "big boys" using these as much. Why risk a dred when it takes 1.5b isk and a month of time to build?
mmm .. I dunnoo...mmm..... lemme guess...mm...may be to destroy the POS ?
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Sentani
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Posted - 2005.07.31 23:50:00 -
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1.5 bill migth be a good price to a POS abit quicker...
i see... a ganked fitted ammar dread with pulses as the future POS wreaker...
and maybe a caldari one with EXP missiles to finsh it off...
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Zero35
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:28:00 -
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Dont forget about the Carriers upcoming aswell with extra large drones.
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Rawne Karrde
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:34:00 -
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The question of if people will really use dreads in combat is more of a question of how much insurance covers on one of these things really. If its like t1 insurance we'll see more of them used rather than if the insurance is more like t2 insurance.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:35:00 -
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Some people will use them and will reap the benefits, other people won't and won't. It's that simple.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: infused
I don't think you will see the "big boys" using these as much. Why risk a dred when it takes 1.5b isk and a month of time to build?
Why risk a battleship when it is over 100 times more expensive than a frig? - Because you can.
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Cannedbeef
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Posted - 2005.08.01 00:58:00 -
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Current Dread figures put them at 5b opening, over twice Freighters.. :(
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.01 01:18:00 -
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"So will this actually have an impact on PVP? I think it's hard to say, but I can't see these being used alot."
If there won't be many of them used, it just means every of them that do get used, will have quite an impact.
Those who dare, win...
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.01 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: infused
I don't think you will see the "big boys" using these as much. Why risk a dred when it takes 1.5b isk and a month of time to build?
Why risk a battleship when it is over 100 times more expensive than a frig? - Because you can.
There is a difference between 100m and 1.5b.
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Kerby Lane
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Posted - 2005.08.01 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: infused
Originally by: Liu Kaskakka
Originally by: infused
I don't think you will see the "big boys" using these as much. Why risk a dred when it takes 1.5b isk and a month of time to build?
Why risk a battleship when it is over 100 times more expensive than a frig? - Because you can.
There is a difference between 100m and 1.5b.
There is a difference between 400 000 and 120 mils.
By the way: Dreads are not intended as solo ships and 1.5 bils for corporation is not incredible pile of money.
By the way - have you ever heard about factio BSs pre NWO ?
Some people took them to PvP and the difference between BS and faction BS are much smaller than diference between dread and BS.
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Karazaan
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Posted - 2005.08.01 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: infused
I don't think you will see the "big boys" using these as much. Why risk a dred when it takes 1.5b isk and a month of time to build?
Because it's fun?
At least they won't die in 10 sec and should'nt travel alone as they need fuel that probably a transport ship will carry. |
Makhan
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Posted - 2005.08.01 02:25:00 -
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only the richest 30% will reap benefit from the new ship content, as usual.
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Darlan Flame
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Posted - 2005.08.01 02:48:00 -
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You can be fairly sure that a large corp using a titan will have proper defensive measures in line, such as having a gangmate ready several systems out for the dreadnaught to jump out should an enemy fleet jump into the system. For the most part, I see dreadnaughts being used by alliances to clean out all PoS in their own space that don't belong to them. I can see several defensive roles for a dreadnaught, keeping one's space strong and clear of enemies. I don't however see anyone taking this on the offense any time soon. The sheer logistics of having enough fuel to even warp this thing into an opposing alliances space would make it a huge, time consuming, death trap of an endevor.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.01 02:58:00 -
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id like to see new classes introduced
Large industrial ships in the 35-60k M3 space capacity wise cost perhaps around 50M
Large battlecruisers that can double as mining platforms.
Elite industraial ships*****cloaker advantage.
Elite shuttles
Cargo ships -*****mineral compacting abilities ie it can decrease the amount of space say trit - zyd takes up so instead of 0.1 it would be 0.05 per unit on these ships
Class "mineral hauler ships"
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Vivus Mors
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Posted - 2005.08.01 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Vivus Mors on 01/08/2005 02:59:27
This game is, and always will be an arms raceà
The question of ôare we going to risk something so valuableö is completely nullified when you realize that if you donÆt ôrisk something so valuableö then you are doomed before you even take the field.
ItÆs not a question of ôwill youö it will always be a question of ôwill THEYöà
THEY are always going to be the boogy man that drives you to think ôif I canÆt field what they are fielding, IÆve lost before I even lock onöà
This is precisely why people use battleships in fleet combat as it isà they know that if you warp in with a squadron of cruisers, yet they are fitted with battleships, your fleet is out gunned from word oneà
Dreadnoughts and Titans arenÆt the ultimate ôI winö button, and the devs are seeing to it with limitations on their function(s)à but none the less, bigger guns has always been the call of warà
No matter how powerful your weaponry is now, that means nothing down the roadà
This will boil down to a matter of not only strength of combat capability, but also a show of capability through strength of presenceà
Knowing an enemy can field dreadnoughts and even titans is a fear elementà with battleships considered standard fare, adding an element of ôterrorö knowing a challenger not only has to combat a fleet for dominance, but quite likely dreadnoughts and even a titan can make any attacker (even with their own DNÆs and TN) take pauseà
The thought of ôif we donÆt field our own DNÆs then they willö is plenty enough to drive their use in fleet battles and suchà
And we already know since DNÆs will be extra desirable at breaking a POS, then they will also likely show up at ôdefend the fortö engagements.
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Dirty Knave
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Posted - 2005.08.01 03:20:00 -
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As for Titans... I garuntee these will be alliance only because only an alliance could afford one. No corps or single players will EVER be able to run Titans on their own when they come out.
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Berilac
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Posted - 2005.08.01 04:42:00 -
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people risk big stuff. why only today i flew in a small squad of 2 bs and 2 hac with a navy raven into 0.0. People will risk stuff. Oh, and i think loss is too low if anything, in responce to the first post.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.01 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dirty Knave
As for Titans... I garuntee these will be alliance only because only an alliance could afford one. No corps or single players will EVER be able to run Titans on their own when they come out.
Why is that?
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Therin Dracul
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Posted - 2005.08.01 05:08:00 -
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Either you wont see ANY, or...
If ONE corp manages to turn a dread ( or a formation of them ) into an I-win button in pvp, other corps will have to roll-over or get their own (or some other counter) to compete.
The max range of capital rails is what? 200km without tracking mods?
With all low tracking mods on the moros; that comes to what, 300km?
Thats BEFORE skills, even.
At certain distances, tracking ceases to be much of a factor.
If you thought a TEMPEST sniping could interdict a gate...
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Zarquon Beeblebrox
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Posted - 2005.08.01 05:10:00 -
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I fly a more then billion battle ship. Why should i not fly a billion + dread ?
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Karneh Vorous
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Posted - 2005.08.01 06:25:00 -
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I'd most certainly invest the time, money, and pain if it meant I could turn my corp mobile. Yeah it would be a huge risk putting all your golden eggs into one basket but, it would be a blast doing it!
You can't take it with you. Might as well have fun until the next game comes along and you leave this one behind.
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Sobeseki Pawi
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Posted - 2005.08.01 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Karneh Vorous
I'd most certainly invest the time, money, and pain if it meant I could turn my corp mobile. Yeah it would be a huge risk putting all your golden eggs into one basket but, it would be a blast doing it!
You can't take it with you. Might as well have fun until the next game comes along and you leave this one behind.
Hurrah for the Battlestars 
~Sobe
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Mr Floppyknickers
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Posted - 2005.08.01 07:35:00 -
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I don't understand, what's the point of wasting the considerable investment of skills, materials, and time if you never intended to use the ship? If they build it surely they must intend to use it, otherwise it was all for nothing.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.01 07:38:00 -
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trust me the main 0.0 alliances intend to use them and have as many as they can spare. Dreadnaughts that is. Most large corps and alliances now have freighters. The medium sized corps are getting into component construction fore dreads - so that alliances can buy and build much quicker.
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