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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:22:00 -
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I'm calling the Waaaambulance.
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Jags
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:29:00 -
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Very good article , whether you agree or disagree with what GHSC did it proves the open ended nature of EVE does work.
Personally I dont think hounding people out of the game is good for any of us as the more people playing the better it gets. But by all means infiltration , asassination , theft etc are all valid tactics.
Really good work by PCG UK in bashing the Orc Shaggers/Dwarf Molesters though , most impressed as almost every other mag you see sooks the bellends of the WoW players
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:32:00 -
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Excellent articles that manage to describe a big portion of what eve is about, hopefully resulting in more, and the right kind of people starting the game.
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Ma'Kahn
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:37:00 -
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Whoever wrote that article has some skillz indeed.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:42:00 -
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 Originally by: MOOstradamus
I was right - you haven't changed one bit !! 
Oh quiet you, I left out all the saucy bits. You wouldn't belive what the man can do with a pickle. Terrifying.
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What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Maggot on 05/08/2005 14:49:52
Mirial was the first person to pod me in Eve, about 2 months after go live. I was in a rifter, flying through through Curse before any big 0.0 alliances claimed the region and 0.0 was generally empty. Her corp Mir Corp was Fu2's first war, but sadly we never got any revenge so I was pleased to see her get shafted, however I felt very sorry for UQS, but you need to be careful who you get into bed with. Many ppl have claimed to know of scams that she was involved in, so Karma indeed. Having beeen a victim of corp theft I know what it is like for UQS and they did a great job of recovering - the article should have focused a little more on them I think (but its still a bloody good article and advert for eve)
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Ton Kayeed
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:53:00 -
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I don't think this should be a thread about the scam itself, BTW.
Still, there's one thing I'd like to say:
Mr. Zapatero, this is the kind of article I'll subscribe to E-ON to read.
Thank you, that is all.
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Master on 05/08/2005 14:56:24
Edited by: Dragon Master on 05/08/2005 14:55:31
Has anyone been able to substantiate these claims? In all the past threads it just seems to be a tale of Chinese whispers (no offense to any Chinese) with he said she said I heard from a friend of a friend. If anyone has been in an office environment or even a classroom they should know how gossip can spread even when false.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ton Kayeed
Mr. Zapatero, this is the kind of article I'll subscribe to E-ON to read.
Thank you, that is all.
Q. F. T.
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What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
Player of the character "Lucca Deradi." Former player of "Andre Ricard." |
Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Amonsun
Istvaan and crew should have all been baned. Period.
Why? Because they griefed other players? dude this game is about griefing
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
You can't really trust anyone in real life either. Always look out for #1.
Anyway, the WoW pwning article:
Page 1
Page 2
A bit big, but eh. Enjoy.
nah one page says how cool eve is 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dragon Master
Has anyone been able to substantiate these claims? In all the past threads it just seems to be a tale of Chinese whispers (no offense to any Chinese) with he said she said I heard from a friend of a friend. If anyone has been in an office environment or even a classroom they should know how gossip can spread even when false.
Well, what kind of substantiation would it take to satisfy you? You've had a dozen people testify Mirial did bad things, if that's not enough what is? A FRAPS of her escrow scamming? Signed confession?
The way I see it, if a lot of people with no vested interest in the matter state that something is up, they're probably telling the truth. I mean, half the people posting about Mirial's naughty-naughties hate us, so it's not like they're saying it to help us out.
Listen, we never tried to make Mirial look like a scammer; all we did was share some of the reasons why our client hired us to hit her. We don't care about any bad things she might have done, nor are we trying to justify our heist. We would have completed our contract in the same manner even if she was Eve's answer to Mother Teresa and ran soup kitchens to feed hungry Minmatar street urchins.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Foxy
Originally by: Amonsun
Istvaan and crew should have all been baned. Period.
Why? Because they griefed other players? dude this game is about griefing
I wouldn't go that far. The game is certainly all about player conflict, tho.
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What good are actions if there's no one to tell the tale afterward?
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:37:00 -
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No offense towards Maggot but there certainly is a vested interest with past war and past conflict. Who started what doesn't matter just that there's a reason why he might lean to promote one viewpoint or believe it if heard from someone else.
Yes if there's more solid proof instead of just hearsay testimony let's see it. As of right now it's still just I heard from "friends" rumormongering which only makes things worse if she is innocent. I don't know what's with this trend in trying to make the victims of anything bad "deserve" whatever happened to them. Does it make people feel better to believe that? If she was guilty, what about the others that had no part? If she was not guilty, isn't that even worse to add character assassination on top? |
Tarm
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Posted - 2005.08.05 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dragon Master
No offense towards Maggot but there certainly is a vested interest with past war and past conflict. Who started what doesn't matter just that there's a reason why he might lean to promote one viewpoint or believe it if heard from someone else.
Yes if there's more solid proof instead of just hearsay testimony let's see it. As of right now it's still just I heard from "friends" rumormongering which only makes things worse if she is innocent. I don't know what's with this trend in trying to make the victims of anything bad "deserve" whatever happened to them. Does it make people feel better to believe that? If she was guilty, what about the others that had no part? If she was not guilty, isn't that even worse to add character assassination on top?
What do you have to gain by knowing? Things are sometimes better left in the past.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.08.05 19:37:00 -
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Good articles.
I think the WoW one hits the nail on the head better.
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.08.05 22:34:00 -
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very nice article
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.06 00:10:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Artemis on 06/08/2005 00:12:57
Edited by: Lord Artemis on 06/08/2005 00:11:05
Originally by: Kar'Dargo
The other day (prioir to this article) I saw Istavaan in local space and I immediately went on alert. The guy's reputation has that effect on you!
I conve'ed him and congratulated him on his excellent heist. He laughed and thanked me and we chatted for a few minutes, nice guy to bo honest with you.
This story is, in fact, why I start to play this game. In deciding which MMO to play I always read forums for a month or so as you can learn alot about a game by reading from its players. When I stumbled onto this amazing tale I was amazed and entralled by the details and the strong player reaction. As the PC Gamer article points out, in what game world can such a tale of intrigue, betrayal and passion be created?? So what if a few players quit as a result, more people are joining because of the press this has cuased for the game.
Also the complete lack of comment from the US CEO has lead me to believe she is in an indefensible position, her repuation was not good it seems. Perhaps she got some overdue Karma, in spades...Well done gents.
this is kinda a good way of showing how rumors get started too. above in bold ^^ (no offense) the person here is offering a theory or guess as to something they know nothing about. a few others will read it and think "yea, that makes sense." soon enough thru word of mouth and time it becomes what is perceived as fact.
i judge only on what I myself see or read from another person, this might be a good way to do things for some, since it seems they can't bother with asking or checking for themselves. (enough of that mess)
For those interested heres how it actually went down. Mirial was in-game eve-mailed by someone claiming to be from pcgamer magazine , i dont know maybe a month or two ago, she mentioned it to us and we figured maybe it was a joke. She ignored it, they went with the article. <-- theres the facts
Again I point out some other "FACTS". We of UQS were robbed. Rather devastatingly (hence the article and all this attention). We have since then moved on and our alliance is progressing very well tbh and we take this all as "lesson learned" "move on" and so on. We are past it and it made us stronger as an alliance. And from now on if you have questions about UQS and what not (to clear up possible misunderstandings or to gain knowledge) ask me or another leader of AM. 
p.s no matter who was on what side of the stick it was a good article and great advertisement for EVE
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.06 00:25:00 -
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reply to above. Only a fool judges life but what they see in other people's eyes. You are stating the obvious to the intelligent half of the world. We all know how rumors and sh!t spread, just cause more people on the forums post about this or that being true, doesn't mean that more people in the game believe it.
I bet most people that play this game have no idea who Miral or GHSC are...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.06 04:04:00 -
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Bet you're wrong.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:04:00 -
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i do too
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.08.06 11:13:00 -
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I just read the article! I was so excited I almost did a poo. Istvaan, I bet you are flooded with work now. And to think, I even turned you down a year ago when you asked if i'd like to join. Actually I'd better not think, or it'd make me stab myself in the face again.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.06 12:48:00 -
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omg bonesy is famous!
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.06 20:35:00 -
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just remember, the 24hour notice to leave a corp is your best tool against corp theft, if you continue to grant them roles at least every 23hours, they cannot leave. you can hold their characters ransom with 'security officer' until they drop the stolen goods back into the ceo's personal hangar.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.06 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Theory
just remember, the 24hour notice to leave a corp is your best tool against corp theft, if you continue to grant them roles at least every 23hours, they cannot leave. you can hold their characters ransom with 'security officer' until they drop the stolen goods back into the ceo's personal hangar.
Thats an exploit. GM's will pay you a visit if you do it.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.08.06 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Chaos Theory
just remember, the 24hour notice to leave a corp is your best tool against corp theft, if you continue to grant them roles at least every 23hours, they cannot leave. you can hold their characters ransom with 'security officer' until they drop the stolen goods back into the ceo's personal hangar.
Thats an exploit. GM's will pay you a visit if you do it.
What he said. ^^
Last time that happend, the GM's removed the guy from the corp themselfs and warned the CEO.
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.07 08:54:00 -
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exploit or not, i'd still do it if it meant i might get the stuff back. isk is one thing, but a BPO list dependant on the lottery is nearly irreplaceable. this will scare people off from sharing, corps are supposed to share. i hope one of the victims tracks down the offenders in real life as ccp wont be affording any justice in the matter.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Theory
exploit or not, i'd still do it if it meant i might get the stuff back. isk is one thing, but a BPO list dependant on the lottery is nearly irreplaceable. this will scare people off from sharing, corps are supposed to share. i hope one of the victims tracks down the offenders in real life as ccp wont be affording any justice in the matter.
Point being, you would not get the stuff back, just a warning about your behaviour from the GM's
Oh, and hoping people track down the "offenders" in real life is a good sign that you lack the mental faculties to distinguish a computer game from reality.
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:33:00 -
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Oh, and hoping people track down the "offenders" in real life is a good sign that you lack the mental faculties to distinguish a computer game from reality.
wouldnt have used the term 'real life' if i didnt understand the distinction, you're a real genius aren't you? everyone who values the money they spend on the account values the time spent to accumulate ingame property. it's all realevant.
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Jhodas
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:39:00 -
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As coincedence would have it, I read said article on the coach on the way home yesterday.
Yes, its corp theft, and in the real world it is punishable by prison or continuous exposure to Celine Dion.
However, the only tools used to pull of this fantastic stunt were patience, planning and trickery. All of which (if I am not mistaken) are well within game mechanics.
This was one of the slickest and cleverest pieces of espionage I have ever seen and I take my hat off to GHSC. However I think it was a mistake to print a real-life value for the stolen goods, as this may lead people to believe one can make a living selling virtual goods. Wanna do that? Go play Second Life.
This is the beauty of eve. One minute you're on top of the world. The next...
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