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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.01 12:53:00 -
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Well, having recieved my subscription copy and browsing through, I got quiet a surprise..
4 Pages devoted to EvE-Online - but more importantly was the content of the article 
Thats the right the largest infiltration and heist in EVEs history has been unveiled in all it's glory (or not so glory depending on which side of the fence you sit). It does go into quiet some in-depth reasoning behind it etc etc. Be you on the side of Ubiiqua Seraph, or the GHSC, you should get a copy if you can and read away.
IMO - a good read into the way it happened, and more importantly it may generate yet more subscribers to EVE lookign for that criminal edge 
Thoughts on the merits of this type of publishing, will it entice more players, or keep them away?
No flames please we've seen and heard the arguements over the Heist many times over.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:00:00 -
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Someone's ego will be boosted when he reads it.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:08:00 -
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I was told that Istvaan Shogaatsu himself wrote the article. At least some of it.
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:10:00 -
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You know Dark I'm not sure on that one, theres quotes from posts, and quoets from other players in-game, but not sure on big swathes of it being written by him.
Perhaps he'd like to comment, if he did write a lot of it, is he aiming to bring more criminal types to the game
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:11:00 -
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Whats the article about then? im i assuming the GHSC robbery of all that T2 stuff.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Skarsnik
You know Dark I'm not sure on that one, theres quotes from posts, and quoets from other players in-game, but not sure on big swathes of it being written by him.
Perhaps he'd like to comment, if he did write a lot of it, is he aiming to bring more criminal types to the game
He actually told me that he was involved in the process, so I wouldn't be surprised.
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Foxy
Whats the article about then? im i assuming the GHSC robbery of all that T2 stuff.
It is about the robbery yes.. But as I have also edited my OP theres another article in there too. Seems a busy month for PCG and EVE..
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:36:00 -
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From the looks of it he was sort of interviewed by PCG.
Pretty cool read, its nice to see PCG finally doing something on EVE instead of damn WoW.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:37:00 -
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There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100 .
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Ahh but it's still good considering it was 77th last year and the only reason WoW is soo high up is those that play WoW dont know any better
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Well they did only give it 55% when it was released!!
Seriously thats a bit out of whack, they obriously were carebares when they tried it. 
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Foxy
Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Well they did only give it 55% when it was released!!
Seriously thats a bit out of whack, they obriously were carebares when they tried it.
Yeah they didn't even play past the tutorial
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:43:00 -
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Awwww yeah.
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ice Foxy
Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Well they did only give it 55% when it was released!!
Seriously thats a bit out of whack, they obriously were carebares when they tried it.
Thats a review from PCGamer US, not the UK one, originally upon first release EVE was given 88% by PCG UK, and then a further upward trend to 90% on the release of Exodus.
Just goes to show how differing people canhave such a massive difference of opinion.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Awwww yeah.
Did 'lil Istvaan achieve critical mass yet?
:)
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Awwww yeah.
Did 'lil Istvaan achieve critical mass yet?
:)
Yes, all over the coldfront channel floor. Someone get a mop for jeebus sake 
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Harisdrop
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:51:00 -
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Lets keep this secret of EVE to ourselves. We dont need anymore noobs!
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: Zaldiri on 01/08/2005 13:55:06
Originally by: Ice Foxy
Edited by: Ice Foxy on 01/08/2005 13:42:35
Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Well they did only give it 55% when it was released!!
Seriously thats a bit out of whack, they obriously were carebares when they tried it.
Interesting to note that earth and beyond got 80% and we all know which is still running, thankfully people didnt base their game desission on one review.
Never liked PC Gamer as a mag anyway
WTF??? I have the originall review in paper: 90% "Game of distiction"
Only Vice City beat it for game of the month.
Edit: Oh FFS thats a PCG US review... PCG UK is the best game mag in the world.. PCG US sucks.
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:55:00 -
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Now, since I don't really want to buy swedish PCG just to find out the articles are in the next issue or something, I'm hoping for an online edition just to see what kind of light PCG casts on my precious little EVE.
Originally by: Ice Foxy
Edited by: Ice Foxy on 01/08/2005 13:42:35
Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Well they did only give it 55% when it was released!!
Seriously thats a bit out of whack, they obriously were carebares when they tried it.
Interesting to note that earth and beyond got 80% and we all know which is still running, thankfully people didnt base their game desission on one review.
Never liked PC Gamer as a mag anyway
Om my god! That must be one of the least indepth reviews I've ever read from PCG!
Actually makes me glad I stopped subscribing. Such a sad choice of reviewer. I don't know how to make a good enough analogy for it, but Matthew is clearly a Blizzard fan where everything is handed to you: do this get that.
Bah, I'm contemplating sending one of those weird mails every newspaper gets now and then by someone who found a year old copy and didn't read the date properly. A short line'd be: I started as producer, became a miner, moved on to become a soldier, became a foreign minister as a side-job, quit both my jobs and am now a mercenary.
Bah! EVE's just so brilliant that it takes some brain activity (contrary to what Matthew described it as) to get anywhere. Choices truely are limitless, and the devs truely ARE listening. (Can't say THAT about cuddly-fluffy-WOW, can you?)
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Eris Discordia
Someone's ego will be boosted when he reads it.
Stand back .. stand back! He canne' hold any more ego captain, he's gonna blow!
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Trak Cranker
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Posted - 2005.08.01 13:59:00 -
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having not seen it yet;
I think its more or less a first that an entire article is based on an ingame event - and not just a look at the game or a game mechanic. And thats brilliant.
It says something about a game that can get that kind of journalistic approach to the events taking place IN the game (forgetting the whole GTA:SA spectacle :-).
One reason could be that the writers know that everyone playing the game, do so in the same world as the event, corps and characters they are treating. Not on some US/EU server sibling with a silly name.
Making the event a universal object of interest within that player group.
And I think something like that can only be good for the interest for the game.
But my thought is: Cool.
Still: I haven't read it, the last paragraph should be read with serious disclaimers.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:15:00 -
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Can someone scan the article and put it up? I'm supposed to get a copy of this month's issue in the mail sometime this week but I wanna see the article now :)
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:17:00 -
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Somone scan it... now.
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Sleazy Cabbie
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:30:00 -
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I think this sort of article is negative advertising for EO in the US of A.
Think about it.
We got Hillary Clinton up in arms over petty schit like the **** hack in Grand Theft Auto, our values as a nation are so puritanical and self-righteous, how do you think having a bunch of "terrorists infiltrating a group of God-fearing Amarrians" goes over to the mainstream.
I can almost hear a collective "But that's not fair!" cry going up everywhere.
Of course, there are plenty of sick twisted people like me that root for the bad guy, that understand that our comfortable way of life is a PRIVILEGE, that ultimately might makes right.
But maybe not having the mainstream audience is part of what gives the game its flavor.
My concern about the game is mainly technical. I honestly feel like the servers are straining, and that the 12,000+ people we have online now are stretching them to the breaking point.
Are we gonna be able to have big fights in the future? Ppl are quitting over crashing/lag in big battles.
Is the QA process ever gonna improve to the point where theres fewer bugs with each patch?
Are we ever gonna have a nice streamlined Insta-BM system that does not require organizing 500000 bookmarks? I mean they're necessary to have, yet at the same time they're such a pain in the ass to create and use, it's a major downer.
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Josiah Bartlet
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tekka
Somone scan it... now.
Quick before he bursts!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:32:00 -
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"We got Hillary Clinton up in arms over petty schit like the **** hack in Grand Theft Auto, our values as a nation are so puritanical and self-righteous, how do you think having a bunch of "terrorists infiltrating a group of God-fearing Amarrians" goes over to the mainstream.
I can almost hear a collective "But that's not fair!" cry going up everywhere."
Think it's all okay as long as there's no patch that shows how exactly the drinking of Synthetic Coffee goes... >>;
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.01 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie
I think this sort of article is negative advertising for EO in the US of A.
But... the article is in PC Gamer UK.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.01 15:10:00 -
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She'll find some way to spin it negatively, mark my words.
In other news, has The Ego(TM) crushed any small children yet, Isty? I hope so.
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Zyrla Bladestorm
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Posted - 2005.08.01 15:23:00 -
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Yup, I dont think theres been an issue go by since launch that PC gamer UK hasn't given eve at least a third of a page, if not more, they loves it they do
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.08.01 15:25:00 -
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I want to read it to, want to know how GHSC infiltrated UQS, cause I was a director at the time.
Can someone post a linky plz?
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Imran
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Posted - 2005.08.01 16:35:00 -
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rofl tekka, lol @ tankceo quote and siggy ^^.
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Terranid Meester
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Posted - 2005.08.01 17:21:00 -
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PC Gamer UK agreed is the best.
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Hunter Lightspeed
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Posted - 2005.08.01 17:44:00 -
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I dont need to read this to know what happend  nor how it happend or who really set it up and it wasent [GHSC] at all.... not gonna say anymore.
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.08.01 17:48:00 -
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Correct me if im wrong, but pc gamer uk did a 6 page spread or something on eve sometime ago.
Tbh, they have allways been fans of the game, was only the us version that gave it thumbs down.
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Posted - 2005.08.01 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Correct me if im wrong, but pc gamer uk did a 6 page spread or something on eve sometime ago.
Tbh, they have allways been fans of the game, was only the us version that gave it thumbs down.
Yeah, the 6 page article was great. Oh, and PCG UK 4tw. I remember them getting a letter from a US reader who said about how he was amazed how the mag was transformed until he realised it was the UK edition,l not the US PCG
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.08.01 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Imran
rofl tekka, lol @ tankceo quote and siggy ^^.
Old but still funny
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Mandros Aslay
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Posted - 2005.08.01 19:21:00 -
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http://www.stratics.com/content/news/arc3-2005.php
A item similar ....
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Kyser T'peth
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Posted - 2005.08.01 19:38:00 -
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Have you guys read the artice on page 20-21 (PC Gamer UK) on why eve's better than WoW? Don't let the inital picture put you off - they say eve wins :D
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.08.01 20:24:00 -
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Still can't believe the whole lot was worth $16,500 in real money :/
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Posted - 2005.08.01 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
I want to read it to, want to know how GHSC infiltrated UQS, cause I was a director at the time.
Can someone post a linky plz?
Hmmm given our previous encounters with u mate, u probably handed them the keys and took a sweet back hander for the trouble 
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.08.01 21:05:00 -
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SCAN IT :/
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.08.01 21:15:00 -
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Somebody scan it! I wanna see!
I hope it does bring more people to eve.
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.08.01 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Galk
Correct me if im wrong, but pc gamer uk did a 6 page spread or something on eve sometime ago.
Tbh, they have allways been fans of the game, was only the us version that gave it thumbs down.
You're right, it was just after the release of Exodus. I can only remember so clearly because that was the review that made me pick up Eve.
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.08.01 21:37:00 -
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Ok, not-so-bright one who got the magazine. Scan it before you have 10,000 angry EVE'ers on you.
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Corey Grim
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Posted - 2005.08.01 22:09:00 -
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SCAN IT! PLEASE!
i live middle of nowhere cant get that magazine
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Maxine Stirner
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Posted - 2005.08.01 23:06:00 -
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Well, it's good that any game can still make headlines for so long. Another year or two and talking about EVE is technically going to rank with harping on Ultima Online or something back during EVE's inception.
It's 2005 already, and there's a whole slew of worthless new games around which to sell advertisement.
In a word of praise, rarely have I encountered a project that generates such strong attraction and repulsion as does EVE. I enjoy EVE for its potential ability to allow people to be more fully sapient, and I despise it for the fact that it is in fact chock full of almost excessively human, though severely alienated, persons.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2005.08.01 23:10:00 -
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As has been said, scan the EVE related content in that issue pls
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.01 23:12:00 -
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scanplzkthxbye
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JoCool
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Posted - 2005.08.01 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: JoCool on 01/08/2005 23:19:38
Scan please!
Edit: Yes, we aren't british and have no ability to get the mag
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.01 23:35:00 -
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Scan!
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Sir JoJo
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Posted - 2005.08.02 00:05:00 -
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arghhh well i guees cause of copyright none can scan and post it here... but man i woul like to read that and i dont know if i can get PCG UK in denmark
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PaulAtreides
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Posted - 2005.08.02 00:19:00 -
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I want to read this! 
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Posted - 2005.08.02 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 02/08/2005 05:55:33
An honest question....
Which of these would inspire folks to join EVE more?
The exploits of GH-SC's months-long infiltration and theft of a multi-billion ISK organisation?
Or two months after being declared 'dead' by GH-SC, that organisation literally redrawing the map after a successful campaign in the Bleak Lands against all comers, and forcing a major NPC faction to it's knees?
Then again, kinda makes for a glorious story arc if ya combine the two....
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:13:00 -
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^^
its precisely what EVE is all about IMO.
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Mind
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:16:00 -
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Toms hardware guide has a bit about that heist too, but in a entire other topic (selling isk/gold for real money), the thread got deleted with the link earlier so you gotta look it up yourself. Its not a review per say but.. more a little "talk" about ingame and outofgame currency, they do mention EVE's echonomic system.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hunter Lightspeed
I dont need to read this to know what happend nor how it happend or who really set it up and it wasent [GHSC] at all.... not gonna say anymore.
You don't have to.
But DED is seeing to that.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:27:00 -
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The exact word used was "crippled", Graelyn. As we said many months ago, if we wanted you dead, a war declaration would have followed the heist.
Oh, and good job on Operation Luciferous.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 02/08/2005 06:32:16
Well, like I said, despite all the strong feelings on the matter, sure does make for a great story.
Winning against tremendous odds, with many powerful enemies, on a shoestring budget, THAT'S what'll keep me playing this game till the servers get unplugged.
Any and all press EVE can get out of this is a good thing.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:35:00 -
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SCAN!!!!!
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Posted - 2005.08.02 06:43:00 -
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Scan or die plz
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.02 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: spajdrik
Earth and Beyond is still running? where? 
I was using Irony, "we all know which is still running" (meaning 55% EvE).
(Again that was PC GAMER US, so the review was Bad, like the quality of their journalism)..
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Henka
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Posted - 2005.08.02 08:26:00 -
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I dont think there will be a scan posted here any time soon, its againt the forum rules (and its not likely liked by pcgamer)
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.02 09:18:00 -
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You know, it saddens me - there are a lot of people looking and replying to this thread showing they are interested in the media coverage of EVE, yet the one blatent post thats sticked that only requires you to vote has been read less.
GO Vote for EVE NOW - you know it makes sense, if anything the article in PCGamer proves that EVE deserves to be the winner
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:05:00 -
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Acctualy since beta PCG UK has dedicated about 18 full pages to EVE which is more than any other MMO... (that I can remeber I only started subscribing 2 years ago)
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:33:00 -
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Edited by: Dash Ripcock on 02/08/2005 10:34:58
They are good articles, and to be fair PC Gamer UK spend quite a lot of time constructing pieces that really cast a scrutinising eye upon the player-run structure of EVE. As well as the article concerning GH-SC's heist, there is also an article reflecting upon what matters more: a world created for players (WoW), or a world created by the players (EVE).
The most rewarding part of the former article discusses the moral aspect of where to draw the line between 'game' and 'reality', and whether there should be a line at all. I am personally of the opinion that actions like that of the GH-SC should take place in our space-based microcosm. Along with adding emotional weight to proceedings, it balances the more traditional 'hero' aspect of MMOs. Where's the fun in a fairy tale if there aren't any villains?
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:49:00 -
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Is it in the shops now?
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Emily Spankratchet
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:13:00 -
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I think the reason that PCG UK often feature EvE-related content is that at least a couple of their regular writers are long-time EvE players. It'd be interesting to know who they are, but I guess that going public would expose them to unwelcome annoyance.
And yes, PC Gamer UK is a little more, er, thoughtful than the US version from what I've seen. Although Kieron Gillen does have an unfortunate propensity to think he's God's gift to gaming journalism.
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:36:00 -
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From what I've seen it just seems to be their way of doing things, with all the various articles on MMOs in the magazine obvious that they spend a hell of a lot of time playing them to make sure they get the reviews right.
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d'hofren
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: niggle
Is it in the shops now?
I've just wandered around 4 newsagents in the city of london and I can't find it.
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It's an online game. Online games are always populated at people who look at their wood elf and whine that everyone else's dagger is bigger than theirs.
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niggle
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:57:00 -
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Not on sale in the shops till the 4th.
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.02 12:58:00 -
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as long as CCP keep throwing up new features that however run properly and keep the lags to a minimum - also upgrading the backend servers to the newest equipment. And boost their profits but dont go down the WOW route or the EA route then they will do ok. The media coverage helps but what they need is more trial accounts to be converted into paying accounts.
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Zaldiri
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Posted - 2005.08.02 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: niggle
Not on sale in the shops till the 4th.
Dances round with early subscriber copy held aloft.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
Originally by: niggle
Not on sale in the shops till the 4th.
Dances round with early subscriber copy held aloft.
you've got mail ^^
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.02 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zaldiri
Originally by: niggle
Not on sale in the shops till the 4th.
Dances round with early subscriber copy held aloft.
Scans. Now.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.08.02 20:57:00 -
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If we put up scans the thread would be locked or something cause its against the copyright laws :/ plus i dunno where my scanner is...
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Posted - 2005.08.02 21:42:00 -
[76]
This is the September issue, right? I've been to 7 stores in Stockholm looking for that magazine. When I finally found the August issue and opened it with trembling hands I couldn't find the article.
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.08.02 22:03:00 -
[77]
Yes it is indeed the september issue.
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Ray McCormack
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Posted - 2005.08.02 22:08:00 -
[78]
Scanerage!
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.02 22:40:00 -
[79]
It is not against copyright laws scanning for non-profit, informational use. So scan now.
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Tekyong Carlunaire
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Posted - 2005.08.02 23:50:00 -
[80]
Isn't it great that some gaming publications are actually paying attention to EVE? It would be great if this coverage translated to greater interest on the part of the gaming public, and lead to more subscribers.
Game publishing isn't exactly a goldmine, so why don't we just all go buy the magazine, and support the publication that supports us?
Don't crap where you eat.
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.08.03 00:37:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Soren on 03/08/2005 00:38:07
Originally by: Graelyn
Edited by: Graelyn on 02/08/2005 06:17:24
An honest question....
Which of these would inspire folks to join EVE more?
The exploits of GH-SC's months-long infiltration and theft of a multi-billion ISK organisation?
Or two months after being declared 'dead' by GH-SC, that organisation literally redrawing the map after a successful campaign in the Bleak Lands against all comers, and forcing a major NPC faction to it's knees? (a first for EVE)
Then again, kinda makes for a glorious story arc if ya combine the two....
Obiously you have some ISD in your corp/alliance or were given a hint and they wanted to roleplay the whole thing out. It's not like you just randomdly deciding to roleplay against the Blood Raiders actually caused to the Bloods to retreat from the Bleak Lands.
It needed to happen for an RP perpose and you guys got the play the "winners".
EDIT: Scan I want to read too
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.08.03 00:45:00 -
[82]
So now we operate with ISD help.....
Okaaay.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
Nira Li
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Posted - 2005.08.03 01:06:00 -
[83]
I want to read
You Will Cry My Name
Dies Irae Dies Illa Solvet Cosmos In Favilla
Vocamus Te Aeshma-Diva |
Wraeththu
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Posted - 2005.08.03 02:27:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Wraeththu on 03/08/2005 02:27:30
Props for PCGamer UK.
I wish CCP would at least attempt to put some effort into marketing in the US. I haven't seen an add or article outside of penny-arcade in like 2 years.
I swear there's more people on Aussie times than US times. If it wasn't for downtime, it'd probably take the lead.
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Amthrianius
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Posted - 2005.08.03 02:38:00 -
[85]
WTB Scan!
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.08.03 03:02:00 -
[86]
its sad really, as i see it most americans are too dammed lazy to play eve, ohhh this game is boring, i cant just start it up and start grinding mobs and have "fun" In eve you actually gotta go out and look for fun and do it in so many ways, and however you want. It seems americans are just way too lazy and want their content spoon fed to them. This is why games such as wow do so good out here, and games like eve get crap reviews... (and at the time eve was reviewed by PCgamer EVE was nearly an entire different game content wise)
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.08.03 11:36:00 -
[87]
1 Mil goes to the first to do so.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
DeODokktor
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Posted - 2005.08.03 12:17:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Mr Popov
It is not against copyright laws scanning for non-profit, informational use. So scan now.
It is "however" against the law to scan & distribute..
Scanning it so you can look at it when you want is fine, just dont give a copy of your scan out..
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Carfax
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Posted - 2005.08.03 13:05:00 -
[89]
As well as highlighting the consideration that you can infiltrate other organisations (without actually mentioning that unless you're dumb enough to try with a character thats already been used to do this or is currently a member of a corp known for doing this then theres going to be no way of tracing any links or past history to identify an infiltrator)and steal everything they own it also indocates that the same can be done for you. Given that players aren't keen on losing all their hard earned skills (note a mistake in the article suggests being podded results in you reverting to a previous clone and losing skills rather than activating a new clone and only losing skills if you've been lazy) and items and suchlike , will this actually encourage some new ones or discourage more ?
As an aside isn't the main push into the chinese market who seem to take their gaming a little too seriously (sell my sword I sell you to the steamed bun merchant )
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MAcheTT3
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Posted - 2005.08.03 14:15:00 -
[90]
LOL 4 pages of people asking for scans... Damnit, someone just scan it in...
Isn't it illegal to rip music to your HDD and use a P2P programme too?
Surely if someone scanned it and posted a link for their own personal use, that would be ok...?
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.03 14:51:00 -
[91]
Originally by: MAcheTT3
LOL 4 pages of people asking for scans... Damnit, someone just scan it in...
Isn't it illegal to rip music to your HDD and use a P2P programme too?
Surely if someone scanned it and posted a link for their own personal use, that would be ok...?
That all depends on what country you are from. Generally ripping to HDD is not illegal and using a P2P client is not either. It's like owning and using a crowbar, not everyone (few) use it to break and entry. Granted a lot of people use P2P clients for illegal activities exclusively, but it's not really a crime.
I think, however, that considering that PCG UK will have copyrights on their article, you should cease asking for scans on this forums. Don't want to drag CCP into some legal difficulties or anything.
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If TC causes you discomfort that you feel is unwarranted or may be outside TC's current contract - contact me, please.
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Skogen Gump
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:02:00 -
[92]
I too would like to see a scan, but I just read this in the EULA
You can't submit any Content, which is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way.
Scanning copyrighted material for consumption by someone else, isn't legal ...
Don't get CCP in trouble by linking to it !
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callon
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:14:00 -
[93]
is this august's issue?
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QuillanHuyler
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:21:00 -
[94]
September Issue...
In shops tomorrow....
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Asestorian
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:44:00 -
[95]
*Asestorian carries on reading his subscriber issue... ah, 4-5 days before everyone else is so good...
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Karunel
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Posted - 2005.08.03 15:54:00 -
[96]
Awesome, it is.
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Number 9
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Posted - 2005.08.03 16:44:00 -
[97]
How much does it cost? Is it still ú5? |
Galk
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Posted - 2005.08.03 16:48:00 -
[98]
As good as.. 5.50.
Ill pick up tomorrow i guess, one month missed in 8 years of reading it.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.03 16:50:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Skogen Gump
Scanning copyrighted material for consumption by someone else, isn't legal ...
Depends where you live
If I ever get rich I am buying my own south pacific nation, and then I shall abolish copyright laws there \o/
Also EVE shall be our national sport.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.03 17:08:00 -
[100]
Also remember that us poor Americans are going to have a bit of a job on our hands getting a PCG UK, so please, someone bend the law a bit and scan.
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Malken
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Posted - 2005.08.03 17:17:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie
I think this sort of article is negative advertising for EO in the US of A.
Think about it.
We got Hillary Clinton up in arms over petty schit like the **** hack in Grand Theft Auto, our values as a nation are so puritanical and self-righteous, how do you think having a bunch of "terrorists infiltrating a group of God-fearing Amarrians" goes over to the mainstream.
its just negative publicity for the american system.
think about it for a sec.....
they argue over a nipple or two in a videogame but its ok to shoot cops and steal cars.
weird people, especially their socalled moral politicians.
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Jet Calhoun
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Posted - 2005.08.03 18:34:00 -
[102]
Entertaining article. My copy flopped through the door a day or two ago but I hadn't ripped it open until I saw this thread. Yay for Subscription copies arriving early (unlike some other magazines I get), and Yay for PCGamer giving Eve more coverage. The last big article they did on it was a really interesting read, which I actually preferred over this, but to have 2 separate articles in the one magazine issue is marvellous.
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Dark Shikari4
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Posted - 2005.08.03 18:40:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jet Calhoun
Entertaining article. My copy flopped through the door a day or two ago but I hadn't ripped it open until I saw this thread. Yay for Subscription copies arriving early (unlike some other magazines I get), and Yay for PCGamer giving Eve more coverage. The last big article they did on it was a really interesting read, which I actually preferred over this, but to have 2 separate articles in the one magazine issue is marvellous.
Gah how the hell will we get this in the US >.<
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Amataras
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Posted - 2005.08.03 18:47:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Amataras on 03/08/2005 18:47:25
Originally by: Dark Shikari4
Originally by: Jet Calhoun
Entertaining article. My copy flopped through the door a day or two ago but I hadn't ripped it open until I saw this thread. Yay for Subscription copies arriving early (unlike some other magazines I get), and Yay for PCGamer giving Eve more coverage. The last big article they did on it was a really interesting read, which I actually preferred over this, but to have 2 separate articles in the one magazine issue is marvellous.
Gah how the hell will we get this in the US >.<
They do subscriptions overseas.
Sub page
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.08.03 19:16:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Soren
Edited by: Soren on 03/08/2005 00:38:07
Originally by: Graelyn
Edited by: Graelyn on 02/08/2005 06:17:24
An honest question....
Which of these would inspire folks to join EVE more?
The exploits of GH-SC's months-long infiltration and theft of a multi-billion ISK organisation?
Or two months after being declared 'dead' by GH-SC, that organisation literally redrawing the map after a successful campaign in the Bleak Lands against all comers, and forcing a major NPC faction to it's knees? (a first for EVE)
Then again, kinda makes for a glorious story arc if ya combine the two....
Obiously you have some ISD in your corp/alliance or were given a hint and they wanted to roleplay the whole thing out. It's not like you just randomdly deciding to roleplay against the Blood Raiders actually caused to the Bloods to retreat from the Bleak Lands.
It needed to happen for an RP perpose and you guys got the play the "winners".
EDIT: Scan I want to read too
Actually, this is highly possible since it was Arenis's suggestion and push for us to move to Bleak Lands and take on the Blood Raiders back before AM even existed. As well as Arenis who scanned the moos and reported the best ones to put up POS's at. Credit to him, so you can credit GH-SC with that too. Now, who has ISD in it?
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Xunaly
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Posted - 2005.08.03 19:46:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Malken
Originally by: Sleazy Cabbie
I think this sort of article is negative advertising for EO in the US of A.
Think about it.
We got Hillary Clinton up in arms over petty schit like the **** hack in Grand Theft Auto, our values as a nation are so puritanical and self-righteous, how do you think having a bunch of "terrorists infiltrating a group of God-fearing Amarrians" goes over to the mainstream.
its just negative publicity for the american system.
think about it for a sec.....
they argue over a nipple or two in a videogame but its ok to shoot cops and steal cars.
weird people, especially their socalled moral politicians.
Everyone jump on the bash America bandwagon. While I do agree that some people are incredibly stupid when it comes to issues such as GTA, we still are a nation of freedom. I would never step foot in a country that feels it is safe to ban firearms. I would never go to a country where I am told what to eat, what to wear, or where to work. I love America, even the idiotic politicians.
They do have a semi valid concern for the future of our country. There are too many kids killing people all over the world. I say any game that has guns/extreme violence/murder in them should be for kids aged 21+. Anyways, I like my pro gun/pro freedom country, and yes I am a law abiding, gun wielding citizen that loves his right to bear arms and practice whatever religion I want without fear of persecution. flame away |
Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.03 19:58:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Mr Popov on 03/08/2005 22:09:46
Originally by: Skarsnik
Edited by: Skarsnik on 01/08/2005 13:12:47
Well, having recieved my subscription copy and browsing through, I got quiet a surprise..
4 Pages devoted to EvE-Online - but more importantly was the content of the article
Thats the right the largest infiltration and heist in EVEs history has been unveiled in all it's glory (or not so glory depending on which side of the fence you sit). It does go into quiet some in-depth reasoning behind it etc etc. Be you on the side of Ubiiqua Seraph, or the GHSC, you should get a copy if you can and read away.
IMO - a good read into the way it happened, and more importantly it may generate yet more subscribers to EVE lookign for that criminal edge
Thoughts on the merits of this type of publishing, will it entice more players, or keep them away?
No flames please we've seen and heard the arguements over the Heist many times over.
EDIT - Seems EVE-O is very popular title in this months Mag, thers another 2 pages of 'Do we want free will in our games?' Which heavily feature EVE as the primary game that allows a massive amount of free will, whereas WoW is a little linear.
Any of you have a veiw on that
Can someone post the link to the forum post about this please?
edit: To clarify what I'm asking, please post the link about the GHSC corp theft heist, thanks!
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Crackfarmer
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:19:00 -
[108]
I scanned posted/hosted the 12 page article on eve in PCG last time and haven't had any problems.
My scanner is broken now however :(
Istavaan is probably pleasuring himself to it however.
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Karunel
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Posted - 2005.08.03 21:37:00 -
[109]
While we're at it, do you still have that one hosted? Linkie?
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:31:00 -
[110]
Originally by: *****farmer
I scanned posted/hosted the 12 page article on eve in PCG last time and haven't had any problems.
My scanner is broken now however :(
Istavaan is probably pleasuring himself to it however.
Links!
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.03 22:40:00 -
[111]
we get PC gamer UK version in australia ill have to buy it nextweek and take a lookie.
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Xtro 2
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Posted - 2005.08.04 00:27:00 -
[112]
A partial scan of an article from a magazine is permitted in the UK, however it is not permitted in the US,
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Ryctor
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Posted - 2005.08.04 04:33:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Mr Popov
Can someone post the link to the forum post about this please?
edit: To clarify what I'm asking, please post the link about the GHSC corp theft heist, thanks!
GHSC press release
General Discussion of Heist
There ya go.
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KIAEddZ
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Posted - 2005.08.04 08:53:00 -
[114]
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 04/08/2005 08:58:32
ffs
SCAN IT
PUT THE PICCYS UP ON A WEBSPACE
CALL THEM
PC GAMER UK EVE SCAN 1.jpg
PC GAMER UK EVE SCAN 2.jpg
etc etc
Then we will all google search, and bobs ya uncle fannies ya aunt.
CEO of KIA Corp - Been doing it for the Laydeez since 1993, now we is doing it in space.
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.08.04 13:30:00 -
[115]
how many times must we ask you to SCAN it... jeez how freakin hard can it be
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Maggot
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:18:00 -
[116]
I dont recall any of the other threads with scanned PCGamer articles being locked.
scan it you monkeys ;)
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:20:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Skarsnik
Originally by: Admiral Pieg
how many times must we ask you to SCAN it... jeez how freakin hard can it be
As I'm the original poster I'll respond to this, as there are more and more calls for it to be scanned here are the reasons why...
1. The thread would be locked faster than a chastity belt on an alluring 19 year old blonde, who is being saved for her first husband.
2. I have a web presence but dont want my collar felt for any copyright issues.
3. I dont have a scanner, as they have evil things inside them that speak to me and tell me to do evil things. These things normally take the guise I dont enjoy, like eating chickpeas, or singing 'Agadoo' on a karoke machine.
Heres what you do. Go to your local library and scan the pages, name them something like bibolobiliboo.jpg. After that you open your irc (www.mirc.com) client and connect to irc.coldfront.net, join #eve-online and send me the pictures. Ill up them to my mates server if youre worried about copyright issues.
Then all people have to do is go to google and search for bibolobiliboo.jpg and voila, problems solved, hooray for everyone.
Of course, this will only work if you could be arsed to scan them in the first place. 
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Tekka
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:24:00 -
[118]
If someone can scan them but not host them EVE MAIL ME NOW
WTS : Centum A-Type (28.31% to all) |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:48:00 -
[119]
My issue still hasn't arrived in the mail...
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2005.08.04 14:50:00 -
[120]
To all those who have refused to scan the article - grow a pair.
Coldfront has officially declared you to be terrorists.
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QuillanHuyler
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Posted - 2005.08.04 15:13:00 -
[121]
Edited by: QuillanHuyler on 04/08/2005 15:13:05
Just read it, and while I find it hard to condone such underhand actions, you gotta admire the perseverence. 10 months of planning. People come and go from the EvE world in shorter timeframes.
What game other than EvE could such a gritty tale of scum, villany, revenge and love of money be told ?
(p.s I dont have a scanner....)
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Kanibal
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Posted - 2005.08.04 15:21:00 -
[122]
found this: http://www.eve-online.com/files/pcgamer_eve.pdf
it's the old one thou, some funny typos in there :)
But I just have to see the new one, plz someone have mercy 
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DarkMatters
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Posted - 2005.08.04 15:22:00 -
[123]
Edited by: DarkMatters on 04/08/2005 15:23:20
apart from the 4 pages being talked (i know they did UQS over for 30bill but some of the other things the claim to have done is pushing it, like fighting "300 people with 6" fraps please? ) about there is also 2 pages spent earlyer on in the mag on how eve is better then wow.
edit: mill = bill 
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.04 15:25:00 -
[124]
Originally by: DorkMatters
but some of the other things the claim to have done is pushing it, like fighting "300 people with 6" fraps please?
Not simultaneously, silly bean.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:19:00 -
[125]
And finally, here it is.
Page One - Murder Incorporated
Page Two - Et Tu, Arenis?
Page Three - My Bloody Valentine
Page Four - Morally Bankrupt
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Karl Staf
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:20:00 -
[126]
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Mechanical Death
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:23:00 -
[127]
omfg... I can feel my webserver being raped. Very much worth it though, good read.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:23:00 -
[128]
Sexalicious.
And for all of you guys whinging about "Crime Online"... gee, don't suppose someone could step up to the plate and play a "good guy", now could they?
Hmm.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:24:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Lomithrandra
'golden rod'
Care to expand on that?
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:30:00 -
[130]
There's rumors of more EVE Online coverage in an earlier part of the mag. Scan plz
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:34:00 -
[131]
There's two more pages in the same subfolder where the four linked images are stored, if you want to see the Eve vs. WoW article.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:34:00 -
[132]
Yes, it's fantastic. They dis the heck out of WoW. EVE subscrip numbers are going to BALLOON in a day or two.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:39:00 -
[133]
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Sexalicious.
And for all of you guys whinging about "Crime Online"... gee, don't suppose someone could step up to the plate and play a "good guy", now could they?
Hmm.
He wasn't whinging, he was spinning. Though sometimes it does feel like "Crime Online". I think probably because the criminals spin more than most on the forums and sometimes, spin gets you what you want or at least the perception of something being wrong that needs fixing (or maybe thats just an illusion brought about by forum discussions).
Still, I'm thinking these guys should have locked their Tech II BPC's into a holding corp or something. Thats what most people do nowdays. It's a ******* shame you can't trust anyone, even your bestest in Eve. A real ******* shame.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:43:00 -
[134]
You can't really trust anyone in real life either. Always look out for #1.
Anyway, the WoW pwning article:
Page 1
Page 2
A bit big, but eh. Enjoy.
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Admiral Keyes
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:47:00 -
[135]
Quality read there!
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Don't hate me cause im beautiful, hate me for killing you! |
Amonsun
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Posted - 2005.08.04 22:59:00 -
[136]
Istvaan and crew should have all been baned. Period.
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Liu Kaskakka
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:05:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Amonsun
Istvaan and crew should have all been baned. Period.
Why would the devs ban them with all the free publicity the game gets? Talk about shooting ur own leg.
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CitzNo 097864
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:10:00 -
[138]
I can only dream of reaching Istvaan in skill someday.
Take that, Jim Raynor. |
Lig Lira
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:10:00 -
[139]
I liked the EVE vs WoW article. Sounds like the author played EVE past the tutorial.
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Viqer Fell
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:21:00 -
[140]
I really wish i'd been more eloquent now!
Can't believe they published perhaps the most ill thought out eve-related comment I ever made.
The comments were true but not very eloquent in hindsight.
Ok, so what the hell is this Golden Ratio? |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:24:00 -
[141]
If you think that's bad, wait until I kill you for saying it ;)
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:25:00 -
[142]
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
You can't really trust anyone in real life either. Always look out for #1.
Anyway, the WoW pwning article:
Page 1
Page 2
A bit big, but eh. Enjoy.
Either that guy read my bio or he's been reading Sartre .
"Hell, is other people...."
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Witch Doctor
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:35:00 -
[143]
I would be more impressed if Istvaan had hosted the scans on UQS' corporate site.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:41:00 -
[144]
Not quite sure whatcha mean there, doc.
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slapp
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:52:00 -
[145]
Great article about EvE online.
But, if i recall correctly, someone mentioned there were Tank
CEO quotes included...?
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Galk
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Posted - 2005.08.04 23:53:00 -
[146]
Intresting read, i shall post my thoughts later.
One hand id say the article puts the game in a good light.. another, maybe a bad one.
My personal thoughs will come later. (just got home of a 18hr shift, tired as it were)
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Angelus X
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:12:00 -
[147]
Woot! GO EVE!
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:17:00 -
[148]
It's a pretty cool article, but not sure if sensationalizing corp theft is the way to go in a PC game mag?
Dunno, someone in that corp must be a writer or something and wanted some fame?
It would be cool to see articles like that about fleet battles, but that might not be smart either due to lag, etc...
Lol, this happened back in April, and it's the first time I heard of it...
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:24:00 -
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$16000 in damages. In measurable damages. I wonder how long it will be before we see our first lawsuit.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 05/08/2005 00:37:18
Good luck making a case for the theft of fictional money which isn't supposed to be sold for cash in the first place. You'd probably have to sue CCP for facilitating it, too :)
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 05/08/2005 00:42:08
Think when you agree to the EULA, you agree that CCP owns all digital assets. Can't sue for something you don't have, and under a system that allows it :P
Btw, nice article..the WoW bashing is funny and very much accurate. I'm also thinking of opening a second irc channel on coldfront called #eve-ego, its sole resident will be HellGremlin.. whose existance can't be contained in one channel alone. :|
edit: also, if you were in beta you'll remember eve had its fair share of lawsuits (*cough* ragnar *cough*)
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.05 00:42:00 -
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Quote:
$16000 in damages. In measurable damages. I wonder how long it will be before we see our first lawsuit.
I would not put it past some dunbass lawyer here in the US to take on such a case...
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Posted - 2005.08.05 01:06:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Bhaal
Quote:
$16000 in damages. In measurable damages. I wonder how long it will be before we see our first lawsuit.
I would not put it past some dunbass lawyer here in the US to take on such a case...
I suspect the publicity would be massive.
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.05 01:09:00 -
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Quote:
I suspect the publicity would be massive.
The wrong kind of publicity...
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Beringe
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Posted - 2005.08.05 01:49:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Bhaal
It's a pretty cool article, but not sure if sensationalizing corp theft is the way to go in a PC game mag?
That's not really the point. The point is freedom. Freedom to abuse, freedom to excel, freedom to be something.
What GHSC pulled off (which was evil, etc) could never, ever have been done in any other game.
Just reading the history thread here in the general forums you'll find dozens of events just like that - impossible anywhere else.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 01:52:00 -
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Quote:
That's not really the point. The point is freedom. Freedom to abuse, freedom to excel, freedom to be something.
What GHSC pulled off (which was evil, etc) could never, ever have been done in any other game.
Just reading the history thread here in the general forums you'll find dozens of events just like that - impossible anywhere else.
That type of article may just attract more scum to EVE... Wrong type of publicity IMO...
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Nanus Parkite
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:18:00 -
[157]
The reason what they did could only be pulled off in EVE is because EVE is the only game to have shared assets that can be accessed and moved by lone persons. If you had a guild wallet in WoW exactly the same thing would be possible.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:23:00 -
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Normally I don't share private chat logs, especially when I'm discussing RP possibilities with someone, but let me post a little something Mr.Evil(TM) himself and I discussed earlier on IRC...
Quote:
<SpaceDrake> BTW, your silence toward the earlier "Good Lucca vs. Bad Lucca" comments surprises me. I'd have thought you'd have some comment.
<HellGremlin> Good Lucca > Bad Lucca.
<HellGremlin> You know my opinion on the matter, bad has been done to death in Eve, and very few try to be good.
<HellGremlin> To be bad and pull it off, you have to innovate to a level I'm not sure is available anymore
<SpaceDrake> Yeah, while we have no good guys, as per my comment in The Thread(TM).
<SpaceDrake> I mean, I'm basically set on Good Lucca now, just because I see the potential for a lot of fun.
Food for thought.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:35:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Graelyn
Edited by: Graelyn on 02/08/2005 06:17:24
An honest question....
Which of these would inspire folks to join EVE more?
The exploits of GH-SC's months-long infiltration and theft of a multi-billion ISK organisation?
Or two months after being declared 'dead' by GH-SC, that organisation literally redrawing the map after a successful campaign in the Bleak Lands against all comers, and forcing a major NPC faction to it's knees? (a first for EVE)
Then again, kinda makes for a glorious story arc if ya combine the two....
in the most unbiased way possible, i see two pretty amazing things 1) greatest theft of eve 2) greatest recovery from the greatest theft
bottom line - if your playing eve for the right reasons, no amount of victory or tragedy will make you quit
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:42:00 -
[160]
Not to spam, but the funny continues. I had to cancel my WoW account since I realized I haven't played since late June. No reason to fling money at those idiots if I won't play.
Not only do they already realized they're in trouble, but... oh. The irony.
Linkage
The full spectrum indeed.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:50:00 -
[161]
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Not to spam, but the funny continues. I had to cancel my WoW account since I realized I haven't played since late June. No reason to fling money at those idiots if I won't play.
Not only do they already realized they're in trouble, but... oh. The irony.
Linkage
The full spectrum indeed.
Thats hot....like my sig
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The Enslaver
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Posted - 2005.08.05 02:51:00 -
[162]
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Not to spam, but the funny continues. I had to cancel my WoW account since I realized I haven't played since late June. No reason to fling money at those idiots if I won't play.
Not only do they already realized they're in trouble, but... oh. The irony.
Linkage
The full spectrum indeed.
Ohh, now that is good.
I loved the article. That level of publicite will definately help the game.
Love it.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 03:03:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Page Three - My Bloody Valentine
Heh, name dropping a cool band. Nice. Or is it the horror movie?
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:29:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Ryctor
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Not to spam, but the funny continues. I had to cancel my WoW account since I realized I haven't played since late June. No reason to fling money at those idiots if I won't play.
Not only do they already realized they're in trouble, but... oh. The irony.
Linkage
The full spectrum indeed.
Thats hot....like my sig
Both very hot indeed
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Admiral Pieg
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:40:00 -
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Both articles were a great read.
My mates whom have never played eve and generally arent even interested in mmorpgs read pcg's article on the ghsc heist with great interest, hell it even made them want to give eve a try.
Unfortunately i know that they will ultimately be dissapointed. If only the game was a wee bit easier on new players..
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Posted - 2005.08.05 04:54:00 -
[166]
Help make it easier then. Vet monies FTW.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.08.05 06:23:00 -
[167]
Originally by: Graelyn
1 Mil goes to the first to do so. (post scans)
Well, I'm a man of my word.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.05 06:23:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Lord Artemis
Originally by: Graelyn
Edited by: Graelyn on 02/08/2005 06:17:24
An honest question....
Which of these would inspire folks to join EVE more?
The exploits of GH-SC's months-long infiltration and theft of a multi-billion ISK organisation?
Or two months after being declared 'dead' by GH-SC, that organisation literally redrawing the map after a successful campaign in the Bleak Lands against all comers, and forcing a major NPC faction to it's knees? (a first for EVE)
Then again, kinda makes for a glorious story arc if ya combine the two....
in the most unbiased way possible, i see two pretty amazing things 1) greatest theft of eve 2) greatest recovery from the greatest theft
bottom line - if your playing eve for the right reasons, no amount of victory or tragedy will make you quit
hear hear, that's the right motivation :)
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.08.05 06:59:00 -
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That was a great read :D
[Come to Daddy]
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Trooper B99
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Posted - 2005.08.05 07:28:00 -
[170]
read the articles last night, buying the magazine today.
\o/ for EVE
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Skarsnik
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Posted - 2005.08.05 07:44:00 -
[171]
Anyone here think the distribution and copies sold of PCGamer this month might go up becuase of this
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.08.05 08:28:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Graelyn
Originally by: Graelyn
1 Mil goes to the first to do so. (post scans)
Well, I'm a man of my word.
Lol
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The Patriarch
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Posted - 2005.08.05 08:47:00 -
[173]
Quote:
An honest question....
Which of these would inspire folks to join EVE more?
EVE has more THAT virtual way life thinking
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Posted - 2005.08.05 12:40:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Graelyn
Originally by: Graelyn
1 Mil goes to the first to do so. (post scans)
Well, I'm a man of my word.
If this game is so hard on n00bs, save the Mil and send it to the 1st n00b you meet. But if you insist on sending it to the 1st person that posted scans, I'll take beer and cookies instead. Thnx
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Ramov Tinoga
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Posted - 2005.08.05 12:51:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
And finally, here it is.
- Page One - Murder Incorporated
- Page Two - Et Tu, Arenis?
- Page Three - My Bloody Valentine
- Page Four - Morally Bankrupt
This article is a good read, thanks for providing the scans for us foreigners. 
While I stand unbiased against any kind of ingame theft (CCP owns it all anyway) and the work you put in your endeavour, you're crossing the line there (taken from Istvaan's statement on page 2):
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We will readily massacre an entire corporation and hound their fleeing members right out of the game if they transgress against one of our pilots and do not make appropriate and timely restitution.
You can't threaten to drive away CCP's customers. 
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Bhaal
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Posted - 2005.08.05 13:17:00 -
[176]
Quote:
You can't threaten to drive away CCP's customers.
I've never been a fan of players who take up that crusade...
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Posted - 2005.08.05 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: abcdasdasd on 05/08/2005 13:19:47
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Kar'Dargo
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Posted - 2005.08.05 13:19:00 -
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The other day (prioir to this article) I saw Istavaan in local space and I immediately went on alert. The guy's reputation has that effect on you!
I conve'ed him and congratulated him on his excellent heist. He laughed and thanked me and we chatted for a few minutes, nice guy to bo honest with you.
This story is, in fact, why I start to play this game. In deciding which MMO to play I always read forums for a month or so as you can learn alot about a game by reading from its players. When I stumbled onto this amazing tale I was amazed and entralled by the details and the strong player reaction. As the PC Gamer article points out, in what game world can such a tale of intrigue, betrayal and passion be created?? So what if a few players quit as a result, more people are joining because of the press this has cuased for the game.
Also the complete lack of comment from the US CEO has lead me to believe she is in an indefensible position, her repuation was not good it seems. Perhaps she got some overdue Karma, in spades...
Well done gents.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 13:26:00 -
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Quote:
Normally I don't share private chat logs, especially when I'm discussing RP possibilities with someone, but let me post a little something Mr.Evil(TM) himself and I discussed earlier on IRC...
I was right - you haven't changed one bit !!
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.08.05 13:34:00 -
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Why are people so willing to assume the victims are guilty when a self confessed corp thief and liar says something?
I'm more impressed by the maturity and calmness of the UQS members that have posted so far. I'd believe a UQS member over a person going on some massive ego trip acting like they have the right to determine who can or cannot play this game. |
GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:22:00 -
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I'm calling the Waaaambulance.
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Jags
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:29:00 -
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Very good article , whether you agree or disagree with what GHSC did it proves the open ended nature of EVE does work.
Personally I dont think hounding people out of the game is good for any of us as the more people playing the better it gets. But by all means infiltration , asassination , theft etc are all valid tactics.
Really good work by PCG UK in bashing the Orc Shaggers/Dwarf Molesters though , most impressed as almost every other mag you see sooks the bellends of the WoW players
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Jin Entres
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:32:00 -
[183]
Excellent articles that manage to describe a big portion of what eve is about, hopefully resulting in more, and the right kind of people starting the game.
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Ma'Kahn
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:37:00 -
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Whoever wrote that article has some skillz indeed.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
I was right - you haven't changed one bit !!
Oh quiet you, I left out all the saucy bits. You wouldn't belive what the man can do with a pickle. Terrifying.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Maggot on 05/08/2005 14:49:52
Mirial was the first person to pod me in Eve, about 2 months after go live. I was in a rifter, flying through through Curse before any big 0.0 alliances claimed the region and 0.0 was generally empty. Her corp Mir Corp was Fu2's first war, but sadly we never got any revenge so I was pleased to see her get shafted, however I felt very sorry for UQS, but you need to be careful who you get into bed with. Many ppl have claimed to know of scams that she was involved in, so Karma indeed. Having beeen a victim of corp theft I know what it is like for UQS and they did a great job of recovering - the article should have focused a little more on them I think (but its still a bloody good article and advert for eve)
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Ton Kayeed
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:53:00 -
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I don't think this should be a thread about the scam itself, BTW.
Still, there's one thing I'd like to say:
Mr. Zapatero, this is the kind of article I'll subscribe to E-ON to read.
Thank you, that is all.
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Posted - 2005.08.05 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Master on 05/08/2005 14:56:24
Edited by: Dragon Master on 05/08/2005 14:55:31
Has anyone been able to substantiate these claims? In all the past threads it just seems to be a tale of Chinese whispers (no offense to any Chinese) with he said she said I heard from a friend of a friend. If anyone has been in an office environment or even a classroom they should know how gossip can spread even when false.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 15:04:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Ton Kayeed
Mr. Zapatero, this is the kind of article I'll subscribe to E-ON to read.
Thank you, that is all.
Q. F. T.
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:05:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Amonsun
Istvaan and crew should have all been baned. Period.
Why? Because they griefed other players? dude this game is about griefing
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Ice Foxy
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:07:00 -
[191]
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
You can't really trust anyone in real life either. Always look out for #1.
Anyway, the WoW pwning article:
Page 1
Page 2
A bit big, but eh. Enjoy.
nah one page says how cool eve is
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:09:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Dragon Master
Has anyone been able to substantiate these claims? In all the past threads it just seems to be a tale of Chinese whispers (no offense to any Chinese) with he said she said I heard from a friend of a friend. If anyone has been in an office environment or even a classroom they should know how gossip can spread even when false.
Well, what kind of substantiation would it take to satisfy you? You've had a dozen people testify Mirial did bad things, if that's not enough what is? A FRAPS of her escrow scamming? Signed confession?
The way I see it, if a lot of people with no vested interest in the matter state that something is up, they're probably telling the truth. I mean, half the people posting about Mirial's naughty-naughties hate us, so it's not like they're saying it to help us out.
Listen, we never tried to make Mirial look like a scammer; all we did was share some of the reasons why our client hired us to hit her. We don't care about any bad things she might have done, nor are we trying to justify our heist. We would have completed our contract in the same manner even if she was Eve's answer to Mother Teresa and ran soup kitchens to feed hungry Minmatar street urchins.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:15:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Ice Foxy
Originally by: Amonsun
Istvaan and crew should have all been baned. Period.
Why? Because they griefed other players? dude this game is about griefing
I wouldn't go that far. The game is certainly all about player conflict, tho.
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Dragon Master
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Posted - 2005.08.05 16:37:00 -
[194]
No offense towards Maggot but there certainly is a vested interest with past war and past conflict. Who started what doesn't matter just that there's a reason why he might lean to promote one viewpoint or believe it if heard from someone else.
Yes if there's more solid proof instead of just hearsay testimony let's see it. As of right now it's still just I heard from "friends" rumormongering which only makes things worse if she is innocent. I don't know what's with this trend in trying to make the victims of anything bad "deserve" whatever happened to them. Does it make people feel better to believe that? If she was guilty, what about the others that had no part? If she was not guilty, isn't that even worse to add character assassination on top? |
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Posted - 2005.08.05 18:17:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Dragon Master
No offense towards Maggot but there certainly is a vested interest with past war and past conflict. Who started what doesn't matter just that there's a reason why he might lean to promote one viewpoint or believe it if heard from someone else.
Yes if there's more solid proof instead of just hearsay testimony let's see it. As of right now it's still just I heard from "friends" rumormongering which only makes things worse if she is innocent. I don't know what's with this trend in trying to make the victims of anything bad "deserve" whatever happened to them. Does it make people feel better to believe that? If she was guilty, what about the others that had no part? If she was not guilty, isn't that even worse to add character assassination on top?
What do you have to gain by knowing? Things are sometimes better left in the past.
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Pulgor
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Posted - 2005.08.05 19:37:00 -
[196]
Good articles.
I think the WoW one hits the nail on the head better.
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pardux
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Posted - 2005.08.05 22:34:00 -
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very nice article
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.06 00:10:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Lord Artemis on 06/08/2005 00:12:57
Edited by: Lord Artemis on 06/08/2005 00:11:05
Originally by: Kar'Dargo
The other day (prioir to this article) I saw Istavaan in local space and I immediately went on alert. The guy's reputation has that effect on you!
I conve'ed him and congratulated him on his excellent heist. He laughed and thanked me and we chatted for a few minutes, nice guy to bo honest with you.
This story is, in fact, why I start to play this game. In deciding which MMO to play I always read forums for a month or so as you can learn alot about a game by reading from its players. When I stumbled onto this amazing tale I was amazed and entralled by the details and the strong player reaction. As the PC Gamer article points out, in what game world can such a tale of intrigue, betrayal and passion be created?? So what if a few players quit as a result, more people are joining because of the press this has cuased for the game.
Also the complete lack of comment from the US CEO has lead me to believe she is in an indefensible position, her repuation was not good it seems. Perhaps she got some overdue Karma, in spades...Well done gents.
this is kinda a good way of showing how rumors get started too. above in bold ^^ (no offense) the person here is offering a theory or guess as to something they know nothing about. a few others will read it and think "yea, that makes sense." soon enough thru word of mouth and time it becomes what is perceived as fact.
i judge only on what I myself see or read from another person, this might be a good way to do things for some, since it seems they can't bother with asking or checking for themselves. (enough of that mess)
For those interested heres how it actually went down. Mirial was in-game eve-mailed by someone claiming to be from pcgamer magazine , i dont know maybe a month or two ago, she mentioned it to us and we figured maybe it was a joke. She ignored it, they went with the article. <-- theres the facts
Again I point out some other "FACTS". We of UQS were robbed. Rather devastatingly (hence the article and all this attention). We have since then moved on and our alliance is progressing very well tbh and we take this all as "lesson learned" "move on" and so on. We are past it and it made us stronger as an alliance. And from now on if you have questions about UQS and what not (to clear up possible misunderstandings or to gain knowledge) ask me or another leader of AM.
p.s no matter who was on what side of the stick it was a good article and great advertisement for EVE
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2005.08.06 00:25:00 -
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reply to above. Only a fool judges life but what they see in other people's eyes. You are stating the obvious to the intelligent half of the world. We all know how rumors and sh!t spread, just cause more people on the forums post about this or that being true, doesn't mean that more people in the game believe it.
I bet most people that play this game have no idea who Miral or GHSC are...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.06 04:04:00 -
[200]
Bet you're wrong.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.06 05:04:00 -
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i do too
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.08.06 11:13:00 -
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I just read the article! I was so excited I almost did a poo. Istvaan, I bet you are flooded with work now. And to think, I even turned you down a year ago when you asked if i'd like to join. Actually I'd better not think, or it'd make me stab myself in the face again.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.06 12:48:00 -
[203]
omg bonesy is famous!
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.06 20:35:00 -
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just remember, the 24hour notice to leave a corp is your best tool against corp theft, if you continue to grant them roles at least every 23hours, they cannot leave. you can hold their characters ransom with 'security officer' until they drop the stolen goods back into the ceo's personal hangar.
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Posted - 2005.08.06 21:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Theory
just remember, the 24hour notice to leave a corp is your best tool against corp theft, if you continue to grant them roles at least every 23hours, they cannot leave. you can hold their characters ransom with 'security officer' until they drop the stolen goods back into the ceo's personal hangar.
Thats an exploit. GM's will pay you a visit if you do it.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Astarte Nosferatu
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Posted - 2005.08.06 22:37:00 -
[206]
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Chaos Theory
just remember, the 24hour notice to leave a corp is your best tool against corp theft, if you continue to grant them roles at least every 23hours, they cannot leave. you can hold their characters ransom with 'security officer' until they drop the stolen goods back into the ceo's personal hangar.
Thats an exploit. GM's will pay you a visit if you do it.
What he said. ^^
Last time that happend, the GM's removed the guy from the corp themselfs and warned the CEO.
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.07 08:54:00 -
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exploit or not, i'd still do it if it meant i might get the stuff back. isk is one thing, but a BPO list dependant on the lottery is nearly irreplaceable. this will scare people off from sharing, corps are supposed to share. i hope one of the victims tracks down the offenders in real life as ccp wont be affording any justice in the matter.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Theory
exploit or not, i'd still do it if it meant i might get the stuff back. isk is one thing, but a BPO list dependant on the lottery is nearly irreplaceable. this will scare people off from sharing, corps are supposed to share. i hope one of the victims tracks down the offenders in real life as ccp wont be affording any justice in the matter.
Point being, you would not get the stuff back, just a warning about your behaviour from the GM's
Oh, and hoping people track down the "offenders" in real life is a good sign that you lack the mental faculties to distinguish a computer game from reality.
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:33:00 -
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Quote:
Oh, and hoping people track down the "offenders" in real life is a good sign that you lack the mental faculties to distinguish a computer game from reality.
wouldnt have used the term 'real life' if i didnt understand the distinction, you're a real genius aren't you? everyone who values the money they spend on the account values the time spent to accumulate ingame property. it's all realevant.
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Jhodas
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Posted - 2005.08.07 09:39:00 -
[210]
As coincedence would have it, I read said article on the coach on the way home yesterday.
Yes, its corp theft, and in the real world it is punishable by prison or continuous exposure to Celine Dion.
However, the only tools used to pull of this fantastic stunt were patience, planning and trickery. All of which (if I am not mistaken) are well within game mechanics.
This was one of the slickest and cleverest pieces of espionage I have ever seen and I take my hat off to GHSC. However I think it was a mistake to print a real-life value for the stolen goods, as this may lead people to believe one can make a living selling virtual goods. Wanna do that? Go play Second Life.
This is the beauty of eve. One minute you're on top of the world. The next...
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Gunship
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Posted - 2005.08.07 11:12:00 -
[211]
Well done,
There is no news like bad news
However I do fell a little sorry for the Corps memebers (not the CEO), for lossing so much, specialy the T2 BPO's. Easy to avoid and the blame fails on the CEO's shoulders.
Having been in charge of CA insurance, I got more thing to say.
"If you can't aford to loss it, Don't fly it!"
Have a nice day.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2005.08.07 11:12:00 -
[212]
Originally by: Chaos Theory
Quote:
Oh, and hoping people track down the "offenders" in real life is a good sign that you lack the mental faculties to distinguish a computer game from reality.
wouldnt have used the term 'real life' if i didnt understand the distinction, you're a real genius aren't you? everyone who values the money they spend on the account values the time spent to accumulate ingame property. it's all realevant.
Advocating real life punishment in the form of physical violence in retribution for ingame acts shows a distinct lack of the mental capacity required to differentiate between reality and fiction.
Any argument that ingame property correlates to real life property requires you to violate the EULA in an ebayish manner, something which is fully deserving of a ban.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.08.07 12:54:00 -
[213]
Yeah, there's a fine line to that that I nor anyone one this side of the theft would ever push.
I mean, I definately wouldn't buy Istvaan a drink at an EVEFest, but I sure won't be scanning Toronto phone books under K either.
Keep it in game, buddy.
Not your average Amarrian Loyalist....
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Ceratin
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Posted - 2005.08.07 13:12:00 -
[214]
The article is definitely a good thing, even if they do seem to insist on talking about us (UQS) in the past tense. I assure you we've more than recovered
On the subject of the theft itself, obviously at the time i was a little bit annoyed. BUT-this is exactly why i play EVE, and not World of Borecraft. This is the kind of thing that can only haappen in EVE, and it should NOT be banned or petionable or anything else.
Also on a controversial note, i was quite impressed by the execution too
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.07 15:07:00 -
[215]
for those of you without an imagination....tracking them down in real life does not mean physical violence every time. the punnishment to fit the crime would be to get their username/password to get your stuff back. if you went beyond that you'd be going beyond justice. though if you lack identity/hacking skills, i suppose a form of vandalism would feel good too. lemon juice on the widsheild of their car, unlocking the fence so the dogs run away, jabbing needles thru cable lines. does everything lead to violence with you kids? sheesh, no imagination indeed.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.07 15:13:00 -
[216]
I have to warn you, because you don't seem to be seeing it: saying things like you're saying makes you sound a little mental. Do you often track down people from the internet for perceived slights against you? ;)
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Ceratin
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Posted - 2005.08.07 15:22:00 -
[217]
Yes-kinda coming across as a little bit psycho there. You realise even the hint of a RL threat will get you banned don't you?
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2005.08.07 15:37:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Ceratin
Yes-kinda coming across as a little bit psycho there. You realise even the hint of a RL threat will get you banned don't you?
Particularly since he is advocating the theft of an account - that is a real criminal offence, something likely to get you the same sort of criminal charge that goes along with stealing internet bank account details. Said criminal charges do quite often lead to jail time.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.08.07 16:04:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Chaos Theory
exploit or not, i'd still do it if it meant i might get the stuff back. isk is one thing, but a BPO list dependant on the lottery is nearly irreplaceable. this will scare people off from sharing, corps are supposed to share. i hope one of the victims tracks down the offenders in real life as ccp wont be affording any justice in the matter.
My corp is one of the victims numpty. Its just Isk. I don't get ****ed when someone blows up my ship, and I don't get ****ed when someone steals something from me. Its part of the game. You don't get ****ed off at a friend when you land on Mayfair and he has a hotel on it, in Monopoly. If you want justice then you do it ingame and war dec GH-SC, at least they are open about robbing you unlike most thieves.
That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die.
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Lord Artemis
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Posted - 2005.08.07 16:22:00 -
[220]
Quote from Ceratin : "World of Borecraft"
For those that get the blood all in a pantie twist about the theft need to chill, it's called "Lesson learned"; albeit this is a big one, but everyone can look back at something in EVE that happened that sucked (mistake you made do to ignorance etc.) and remember saying to yourself "well crap, I'm not gonna do that again." If your smart you take steps to ensure that it dont happen again. We did and have (if you been paying attention to news) recovered to the point to where if you didnt know about the theft you wouldnt be able to tell it ever happened.
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Chaos Theory
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Posted - 2005.08.07 17:07:00 -
[221]
nobody here made any threats. the Muse never takes blame, everyone reading this has their own choices. i'm done with you toons, so have your last words, i won't be reading them.
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Kalahari Wayrest
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Posted - 2005.08.07 21:03:00 -
[222]
Quote:
You don't get ****ed off at a friend when you land on Mayfair and he has a hotel on it, in Monopoly.
I do My boyfriend felt pain the last time he did that.
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.08.08 11:40:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Chaos Theory
nobody here made any threats. the Muse never takes blame, everyone reading this has their own choices. i'm done with you toons, so have your last words, i won't be reading them.
Inciting to criminal activities is a crime of itself, so yes, you would take the blame.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:22:00 -
[224]
Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
You can't really trust anyone in real life either. Always look out for #1.
I feel sorry for you dude.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.08 20:24:00 -
[225]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I'm also thinking of opening a second irc channel on coldfront called #eve-ego, its sole resident will be HellGremlin.. whose existance can't be contained in one channel alone. :|
lol! The hyprocisy of it all. I swear, you should all start up a #eve-oldtimers and reside their ;)
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:13:00 -
[226]
Well I read the article, what a pile of steaming Bull****.
It was like reading his****gish stories but someone paid to recieve it.
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Ceratin
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Posted - 2005.08.09 14:57:00 -
[227]
I have to disagree. It's a shame they only put it from 1 perspective, but EVE needs publicity. We need more targets! I mean, subscribers...
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.09 15:23:00 -
[228]
It was a good publicity article for EVE. Anyway, its just a game, UQS are still very much alive and active as can be attested by us. Just poorer. And thats it really.
So it's no big deal, all that happened was that they nicked some money in flamboyant style. The game goes on. And remember that folks, dont take this thing too seriously, EVE that is.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.08.09 16:31:00 -
[229]
what theft?
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The Patriarch
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Posted - 2005.08.11 14:35:00 -
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Quote:
i suppose a form of vandalism would feel good too. lemon juice on the widsheild of their car, unlocking the fence so the dogs run away, jabbing needles thru cable lines. does everything lead to violence with you kids? sheesh, no imagination indeed.
FFS some ppl seek the limit to its edge, you came very close. To think of those you must dream of practising it.
As`t nie giet soals `t mot, mot `t moar soals `t giet! |
Reptar
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Posted - 2005.08.11 14:41:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Chaos Theory
for those of you without an imagination....tracking them down in real life does not mean physical violence every time. the punnishment to fit the crime would be to get their username/password to get your stuff back. if you went beyond that you'd be going beyond justice. though if you lack identity/hacking skills, i suppose a form of vandalism would feel good too. lemon juice on the widsheild of their car, unlocking the fence so the dogs run away, jabbing needles thru cable lines. does everything lead to violence with you kids? sheesh, no imagination indeed.
This is a GAME, and no ingame torment no matter what happened should never amount to anything in real life.
Its time to see a Doctor if you start talking like the above, it shows your starting to fail to see the distinction between an ingame character and a real person.
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Firebreak
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Posted - 2005.08.11 16:17:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Ice Foxy
Originally by: Zaldiri
There 2 articles concerning EVE in this months PCG... But it only made 38th spot in the top 100.
Well they did only give it 55% when it was released!!
Seriously thats a bit out of whack, they obriously were carebares when they tried it.
Yeah they didn't even play past the tutorial
To be honest, and I can't say I remember why, but I tried Eve way back when it was released and hated it. My brother started playing it a year later and would tell me about it every now and then. I would always tell him that I couldn't understand why he liked it. Another 6 months past, then he convinced me to try it again with one of those free trials. Now I love it, haha! I think the first time I tried it I didn't understand the mechanicas and I was too impatient to learn. While when I joined back, my brother knew all about it so I had help.
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Saladin
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Posted - 2005.08.11 16:24:00 -
[233]
Is there a link anyone can provide to the article for those of us who do not receive the UK version of this magazine?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.11 16:29:00 -
[234]
Reposting links.
Page One - Murder Incorporated
Page Two - Et Tu, Arenis?
Page Three - My Bloody Valentine
Page Four - Morally Bankrupt
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Ace Garpy
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Posted - 2005.08.11 17:02:00 -
[235]
Well I for one thought it showed how in-depth Eve can be. With 12'000 players online at any-one time the universe really is on the move.
I mean here's me trading goods and mining and meanwhile political intrigue, espionage and murder is happening whilst I am drinking my coffee and eating a biscuit deciding whether to mine Omber or Kernite.....Oh the drama of it all
Very cool to all those involved I am in the shadow of giants!
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Pentadact
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Posted - 2005.08.11 17:03:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Ma'Kahn
Whoever wrote that article has some skillz indeed.
/bow
Thanks.
Originally by: Lord Artemis
For those interested heres how it actually went down. Mirial was in-game eve-mailed by someone claiming to be from pcgamer magazine , i dont know maybe a month or two ago, she mentioned it to us and we figured maybe it was a joke. She ignored it, they went with the article. <-- theres the facts
That's why she didn't respond? Shame, we would have liked to get both sides. In fact, the aftermath and UQS recovery has been amazing in itself - we'd like to run a follow-up piece on it. UQS members, particularly Mirial, e-mail me at [email protected] with your side. Check the contact details in any Future mag or http://www.futurenet.co.uk if you still don't believe I'm from the magazine.
I've been really impressed with UQS on these forums - virtually all have come out in favour of the freedom for things like this heist to occur in Eve, and that's deeply admirable.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.11 17:37:00 -
[237]
Roger.
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Professor McFly
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Posted - 2005.08.11 17:50:00 -
[238]
I'd just like to say it's about time this game is receiving the recognition it deserves, it's been the best kept secret of MMOs for far too long.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.08.11 19:43:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Pentadact
That's why she didn't respond? Shame, we would have liked to get both sides. In fact, the aftermath and UQS recovery has been amazing in itself - we'd like to run a follow-up piece on it. UQS members, particularly Mirial, e-mail me at [email protected] with your side. Check the contact details in any Future mag or http://www.futurenet.co.uk if you still don't believe I'm from the magazine.
I've been really impressed with UQS on these forums - virtually all have come out in favour of the freedom for things like this heist to occur in Eve, and that's deeply admirable.
Istvaan, you should get your free copy today or tomorrow. We'd appreciate it if you took down the scans when you do.
We'll be in touch.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2005.08.11 19:46:00 -
[240]
Keep it friendly people.
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Adrenochrome
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Posted - 2005.08.11 21:42:00 -
[241]
There is one point in the article which concerns me greatly:
"Istvaan Shogaatsu on: Philosophy
... We will readily massacre an entire corporation and hound their fleeing members right out of the game if they transgress against one of our pilots and do not make appropriate and timely resitution"
The infiltration of UQS; Spectacular. The planning, the care, the work by all players; I would aplaud you for - irreespective of morality, the actions should deserve respect
But openly stating that you'll force players out of the game is abhorrent. that single comment disgusts me.
I would greatly appreciate the player of Istvaan Shogaatsu to give a response to the quotation attributed to him.
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Nybbas
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Posted - 2005.08.12 01:07:00 -
[242]
It is called self preservation. When you are involved in the sort of things we are you must have zero tolerance for people messing with you, this means you must deal with them in the most absolute way possible. If people know that if they try to take you on and cant do it that they are going to be chased until their last days in this game, or until all they can afford is a tech 1 frigate, they will think twice before trying to shoot at one of your members. Istvaan is incredibly protective, and there have been instances where a corp that killed one of our members ships paid and incredibly high price.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.12 01:16:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Adrenochrome
I would greatly appreciate the player of Istvaan Shogaatsu to give a response to the quotation attributed to him.
I'm not sure what kind of comment you're looking for.
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Adrenochrome
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Posted - 2005.08.12 01:43:00 -
[244]
"and hound their fleeing members right out of the game"
is that an actual quote, or misquoted? If the former, I'm rather concerned, not least that tactics to force players to quit the game they also pay to participate in are someting you'd boast of.
There's a line between responding to agression, and responding by forcing a player - or more importantly, players who may not even be connected beyond corporation affilation - out of a game. That quote is one that I personally consider to be beyond the limits of acceptable conduct, and it makes me want to know the justification for such a stance.
Adrenochrome.
please note, I'd like to understand the stance (for a whole range of reasons and interests), it's not intended as a "oh you're greifers" type insult or anything of the sort. if it risks sending the thread on a tangent or descending into a flamewar with sides of opinion, then, with your leave, I'd love to arrange a chat someday, and hopefully a moderator will be kind enough to delete this post to keep the subject on the topic of every other sentance in the entire article.
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Blind Man
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Posted - 2005.08.12 02:08:00 -
[245]
2 Words.
Fricking Awsome. 
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(O.o)
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.08.12 02:09:00 -
[246]
PCGamer UK article strikes Istvaan Shogaatsu's Ego perfectly, inflating for 451.3 damage.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.12 02:22:00 -
[247]
Quote:
There's a line between responding to agression, and responding by forcing a player - or more importantly, players who may not even be connected beyond corporation affilation - out of a game. That quote is one that I personally consider to be beyond the limits of acceptable conduct, and it makes me want to know the justification for such a stance.
I guess I just don't see the line, or understand what you find offensive about my statement. If one of my guys comes to me complaining that he got shot down without provocation, I think I'd be remiss if I didn't do everything within my power to avenge and satisfy him. It isn't to make a point or anything, or scare others away from attacking Guiding Hand pilots - it's purely for the benefit of my corpmates, so that they know they will never be left behind.
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.12 02:39:00 -
[248]
Yes, it isn't so much that Istvaan & Co. will try to drive anyone out of the game intentionally like ebil ebil griefars, it's just that messing with GHSC pilots may result in a level of response that would lead those of lesser amounts of mental fortitude and stress tolerance to quit the game. (Reference Nemesis Corporation)
EVE is not a casual game. It is a game for those who like to work hard and play harder. Many of the people who Istvaan has "griefed out of the game" probably would have left anyway after coming into contact with SNIGG, BoB, Five, etc. etc. etc. Isty and Friends just tend to be particularly ruthless and sexy in the way they go about their business.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2005.08.12 02:44:00 -
[249]
Some people play for kicks and giggles.
Some people play for loot HO'in
Some people play for Sci-Fi dream_come_true backdrops
Some people play for the spaceships
Some people play for keeps
If one groups playstyle runs another group out the game, or a large majority of them, I don't see the big deal as long as the other group had the opportunity to prevent it from happening in the first place. Complacency isn't an argument against slacking off in your intellegence gathering ( OR THE LACK OF INTELLIGENCE to REALIZE THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THERE TO RUIN THE FUN OF OTHERS AND THAT SOMEONE CAN AND AT SOME POINT BE YOU ) Any Amarrian Corporation is bound to be hated... go figure.
jide's oBject eXplorer
The Nest
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Jaysin
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Posted - 2005.08.12 22:18:00 -
[250]
you all have a chance to meet the man in the flesh, if you're in toronto that is.
TORONTO MEET
but seriously... nice work istvaan!
famous 4tw
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.08.12 22:35:00 -
[251]
Edited by: Garreck on 12/08/2005 22:36:07
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I guess I just don't see the line, or understand what you find offensive about my statement. If one of my guys comes to me complaining that he got shot down without provocation, I think I'd be remiss if I didn't do everything within my power to avenge and satisfy him. It isn't to make a point or anything, or scare others away from attacking Guiding Hand pilots - it's purely for the benefit of my corpmates, so that they know they will never be left behind.
Odd. So a pirate shoots down one of your pilots ("without provocation," one might say,) thereby playing a perfectly acceptable role in Eve and just trying to have a bit of fun. Appropriate reciprocation is to grief him out of the game? I'm not talking about putting an indefinite mark on his head to kill him every chance you get: that's what I would consider reasonable and indeed appropriate. Pirates know the chances they take, and would probably enjoy the constant source of combat. But to approach such a situation with the goal of driving them from the game? Seems heavy-handed and irresponsible.
It's a thin line: I'm sure I've taken actions before that might make someone want to quit. There are, after all, folks who take Eve so seriously that the destruction of a single vessel might cause a total breakdown or whatever. By my intent is never to hatefully drive someone from the game...my intent is to have some fun pvp. But to openly say "Yeah, I'd make a concerted effort to make 'em wanna quit" is hateful. Perhaps it would be better to say that if someone attacks one of your boys unprovoked, you'd see to it that they regret it for the rest of their Eve career. Quite a difference between "Istvaan griefed me out of the game" and "Yeah, I surely love bein' a pirate. I only wish I hadn't shot down that GHSC ship that one time...those guys sure make my life difficult."
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.12 22:48:00 -
[252]
I just thought of a really good way to explain it, Garreck.
Have you ever watched the movie 'Black Hawk Down'? It's one of my favorite movies ever, not just because of the dreamy Josh Hartnett starring in it, but because it's based on actual events. In the mid-90s, about 100 American soldiers were deployed on a mission in Mogadishu, Somalia. Things went bad, and they wound up cut off, and surrounded by thousands of hostile fighters.
Naturally, the American forces launch a rescue operation. This is because, as one soldier explains to another, "you don't leave men behind". In the process of extracting those 100 soldiers, well over one thousand Somali fighters and no doubt a few civvies among them are killed.
To someone with a neutral perspective, this is an atrocity! Over one thousand lives cut short just to save one hundred. But to the Americans, it's simply loyalty to their own kind. The lives of those hostile Somalis completely don't matter. All that matters is making sure your guys know they won't be forgotten.
That's how I see it in a nutshell. It's not griefing, it's just loyalty.
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Jorel
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Posted - 2005.08.12 23:21:00 -
[253]
GHSC is a lot like a family (think the Osbournes but a lot more messed up ).
If someone in real life were to harm your family member would you not take action? (Whether through the legal system or your own two hands).
I've been in a similar situation, the end results:
Utter annihilation of a man's career and the rest of his life with it.
No physical violence on my part, but he paid for his very dearly.
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Doctor Maharet
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Posted - 2005.08.12 23:34:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I just thought of a really good way to explain it, Garreck.
Have you ever watched the movie 'Black Hawk Down'? It's one of my favorite movies ever, not just because of the dreamy Josh Hartnett starring in it, but because it's based on actual events. In the mid-90s, about 100 American soldiers were deployed on a mission in Mogadishu, Somalia. Things went bad, and they wound up cut off, and surrounded by thousands of hostile fighters.
Naturally, the American forces launch a rescue operation. This is because, as one soldier explains to another, "you don't leave men behind". In the process of extracting those 100 soldiers, well over one thousand Somali fighters and no doubt a few civvies among them are killed.
To someone with a neutral perspective, this is an atrocity! Over one thousand lives cut short just to save one hundred. But to the Americans, it's simply loyalty to their own kind. The lives of those hostile Somalis completely don't matter. All that matters is making sure your guys know they won't be forgotten.
That's how I see it in a nutshell. It's not griefing, it's just loyalty.
Apples and oranges.
The Somali operation went badly and turned into a rescue mission, and Somalis stopped dying after the last living GI was hauled out of there.
It stopped after US forces left town, despite the grisly images of dead US servicemen being dragged through the streets.
In the case of this dicussion, there was no rescue mission or anything remotely analogous to one, and you did NOT stop after the first kill/podding. It kept going and going...with the intent being to drive someone from the game.
But whatever, we get the point.
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MadJackMcJones
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Posted - 2005.08.12 23:39:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I guess I just don't see the line
The line is the game. Take it outside the game and into real life, and you've crossed the line.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.12 23:46:00 -
[256]
Never have, never will ;)
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Trepkos
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Posted - 2005.08.13 01:08:00 -
[257]
So for a year you played buddy buddy with the CEO, eventually convincing him to granting you certain roles from your friendliness.
Then one day, according to contract, you guys not only destroy his pride, his flag ship but you also destroyed his corporation and stole all the assets and money that his corporation had.
Wow, I can see the CEO waking up, another good day with his fun corp, logging in to see his prized Navy Poc and his cheerful(backstabbing) friends greeting him, unknowing that in a few hours that those so called friends would rip everything he had from him.
Sounds like something I would do...
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Garreck
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Posted - 2005.08.13 03:22:00 -
[258]
Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2005 03:22:52
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I just thought of a really good way to explain it, Garreck.
Have you ever watched the movie 'Black Hawk Down'? It's one of my favorite movies ever, not just because of the dreamy Josh Hartnett starring in it, but because it's based on actual events. In the mid-90s, about 100 American soldiers were deployed on a mission in Mogadishu, Somalia. Things went bad, and they wound up cut off, and surrounded by thousands of hostile fighters.
Naturally, the American forces launch a rescue operation. This is because, as one soldier explains to another, "you don't leave men behind". In the process of extracting those 100 soldiers, well over one thousand Somali fighters and no doubt a few civvies among them are killed.
To someone with a neutral perspective, this is an atrocity! Over one thousand lives cut short just to save one hundred. But to the Americans, it's simply loyalty to their own kind. The lives of those hostile Somalis completely don't matter. All that matters is making sure your guys know they won't be forgotten.
That's how I see it in a nutshell. It's not griefing, it's just loyalty.
A fine movie, and a portion of military history I'm quite familiar with.
For Istvaan Shogaatsu to feel this sort of loyalty is unquestionable. For you as the man who plays the character to feel the same loyalty and intensity is...well, odd really. Kind of difficult to reconcile the feelings of loyalty of men who have trained and served and suffered together and are now risking their lives and watching their buddies get wasted...with the feelings of loyalty of a few mates playing a video game.
That's the "line." Istvaan the character SHOULD want to annihlitate those who would threaten his corp. The guy playing the character probably shouldn't feel quite the same way to the other players whose characters pose the threat.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.14 19:50:00 -
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Does anyone have a mirror for that review? All the links are dead...
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.14 20:00:00 -
[260]
The PC Gamer guys asked me to take it offline, sorry :(
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infused
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Posted - 2005.08.14 20:01:00 -
[261]
Gutted, it was a good selling tool :(
[EvE Domination]
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.14 20:14:00 -
[262]
Shoot me an evemail with your email address, I'll see if I can work something out.
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Wira
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Posted - 2005.08.14 21:16:00 -
[263]
Originally by: Eris Discordia
Someone's ego will be boosted when he reads it.
Like it needs to be any larger? Is it even possible?!
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Laocoon
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Posted - 2005.08.14 21:19:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Viqer Fell
I really wish i'd been more eloquent now!
Can't believe they published perhaps the most ill thought out eve-related comment I ever made.
The comments were true but not very eloquent in hindsight.
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
If you think that's bad, wait until I kill you for saying it ;)
lmfao
true 'don't mess' styley. GHCS - if you can do it, it's fair game. well done.
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Wira
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Posted - 2005.08.14 21:21:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote:
There's a line between responding to agression, and responding by forcing a player - or more importantly, players who may not even be connected beyond corporation affilation - out of a game. That quote is one that I personally consider to be beyond the limits of acceptable conduct, and it makes me want to know the justification for such a stance.
I guess I just don't see the line, or understand what you find offensive about my statement. If one of my guys comes to me complaining that he got shot down without provocation, I think I'd be remiss if I didn't do everything within my power to avenge and satisfy him. It isn't to make a point or anything, or scare others away from attacking Guiding Hand pilots - it's purely for the benefit of my corpmates, so that they know they will never be left behind.
The line is driving another player out of the game entirely. You can certainly see it means less revenue for CCP. Maybe only 1 or 2 isn't that much money, but it is less and do that to enough, and someone on the management side is going to notice. What you say conflicts with CCP's words on harrassment and if someone does drive them constantly, they say petition and they will act on it.
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babyblue
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Posted - 2005.08.14 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I just thought of a really good way to explain it, Garreck.
Have you ever watched the movie 'Black Hawk Down'? It's one of my favorite movies ever...
I found it to be one of the most heartless and empty movies ever. I could think of probably 20 combat movies with more soul than BHD, which is unusual for a true story. That fact was, that the true story wasn't particularly interesting: US Army loses pilots, US Army comes up with ignorant plan to get them back, US Army ****s it up, US Army pulls out.... all through the film, constant gunfire and hundreds of black people on drugs being killed.
My little nephew liked it though.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.14 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 14/08/2005 22:33:53
Quote:
The line is driving another player out of the game entirely. You can certainly see it means less revenue for CCP. Maybe only 1 or 2 isn't that much money, but it is less and do that to enough, and someone on the management side is going to notice. What you say conflicts with CCP's words on harrassment and if someone does drive them constantly, they say petition and they will act on it.
Sure, my actions drive some players out. But one cannot deny they bring way more players in - witness, as the two weekends subsequent to the release of this article also happen to break one record after another for simultaneous users online. Somehow I doubt CCP will ban me for making them rich ;)
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.08.14 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 14/08/2005 23:32:20
I think simply, alot of us play this game for kicks and to have fun, sure we get involved in it, but to most of us i would imagine its simply a fun game. I think isty plays it, and gets involved in it, on a whole different level than most of us.
Its a little bit scary, but its his game as much as anyone elses I guess.
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Ifni
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Posted - 2005.08.14 23:35:00 -
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I don't see why people are getting so stressed out at what happened with GH-SC and their targets.
Not only are people passing judgement on a topic that they know little about (so am I but whats a little hypocrisy matter) but they are also ignoring the fact that what happened one time, does not set a precedent.
Indeed the CEO might have quit the game, s/he may have removed all their characters and filed countless petitions. But at the end of the day, it was all done via in game means. Trust was gained and exploited.
Was this excessive? Some would say yes, I certainly would.
Was it "bad"? That implies judgement, which none bar those involved are entitled to pass.
Should it be "fixed"? The problem lies not with the game but with the players. The first rule you learn about using the net is to not trust anyone. Don't give them your details and don't trust them at all! You have only yourself to blame for this failure of judgement.
Whilst Istvaan may be excessive, everything that happened, was done via the game interface. CCP provides the simplest of structures to play the game by. If you want to have a safe gaming environment, go play WoW.
Besides, I personally love the fact that more players are coming to EVE, it means more targets...
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Saladin XIII
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Posted - 2005.08.14 23:55:00 -
[270]
Since the scans were taken down I have scanned my own from my bought issue and will host them
Page One - Murder Incorporated
Page Two - Et Tu, Arenis?
Page Three - My Bloody Valentine
Page Four - Morally Bankrupt
Page One - EVE vs WOW
Page Two - EVE vs Wow
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.15 00:06:00 -
[271]
PC Gamer UK misses a lot of cliency if they ask to have their free advertisement removed :P
I'll link to Istvaan's scans here aswell.....
GHSC Operation - Page 1
GHSC Operation - Page 2
GHSC Operation - Page 3
GHSC Operation - Page 4
WoW vs EVE - Page 1
WoW vs EVE - Page 2
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2005.08.15 00:09:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Saladin XIII
Since the scans were taken down I have scanned my own from my bought issue and will host them
Page One - Murder Incorporated
Page Two - Et Tu, Arenis?
Page Three - My Bloody Valentine
Page Four - Morally Bankrupt
Page One - EVE vs WOW
Page Two - EVE vs Wow
Thank you ^^, awsome article
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SpaceDrake Storyteller
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Posted - 2005.08.15 00:48:00 -
[273]
Uh, keep in mind that PCG UK might take issue with the hosting. They do read these forums.
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Reiisha
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Posted - 2005.08.15 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: SpaceDrake Storyteller
Uh, keep in mind that PCG UK might take issue with the hosting. They do read these forums.
I understand their objections, but they need to understand 2 things:
1: This is great advertising for them, entirely free of charge. There aren't a lot of magazines that report something else than 95% scores for HL2 or D3.
2: Many people have to choose between spending their 15$ a month on EVE or on importing a foreign magzine so they can read about EVE. I know what i would choose....
No hard feelings there, PC Gamer UK crew, great magazine, it's just the logistical issues :P
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.08.15 07:11:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Sure, my actions drive some players out. But one cannot deny they bring way more players in - witness, as the two weekends subsequent to the release of this article also happen to break one record after another for simultaneous users online. Somehow I doubt CCP will ban me for making them rich ;)
You must be joking. Either that or you are the most arrogant retard in the universe. Crime Online would have many more players if more things were fixed, not more "Uber" crimes committed. More players are now online due to the recent patch, not due to your actions in game.
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Laocoon
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Posted - 2005.08.15 09:18:00 -
[276]
Originally by: Burnhard Brutor
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Sure, my actions drive some players out. But one cannot deny they bring way more players in - witness, as the two weekends subsequent to the release of this article also happen to break one record after another for simultaneous users online. Somehow I doubt CCP will ban me for making them rich ;)
You must be joking. Either that or you are the most arrogant retard in the universe. Crime Online would have many more players if more things were fixed, not more "Uber" crimes committed. More players are now online due to the recent patch, not due to your actions in game.
kill him, too. lol joke. Well. ... oops
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:02:00 -
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Quote:
You must be joking. Either that or you are the most arrogant retard in the universe. Crime Online would have many more players if more things were fixed, not more "Uber" crimes committed. More players are now online due to the recent patch, not due to your actions in game.
So, um, how come the weekend before the article didn't break any records? I mean, patch was already out ;)
(I hereby take all credit)
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:18:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
So, um, how come the weekend before the article didn't break any records? I mean, patch was already out ;)
(I hereby take all credit)
Well, more importantly than the fact that YOU were the focus of the article (it definitely was a great read, btw), the main thing here is that EVE got some mainstream coverage of some kind. Beyond the odd news post on MMORPG.com, this game is barely ever in the spotlight of any game site for any real length of time. Any exposure is good.
What the article showed is that the game is open ended enough to allow a more cerebral form of gameplay than just something limited to the set mechanics and rules. That alone is intriguing enough for people to come check it out, not because they want to try to pull an Istvaan. :)
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:20:00 -
[279]
I know, I was just screwin' with the guy.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:26:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I know, I was just screwin' with the guy.
You? Screw with someone?
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Burnhard Brutor
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Posted - 2005.08.15 14:53:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Quote:
You must be joking. Either that or you are the most arrogant retard in the universe. Crime Online would have many more players if more things were fixed, not more "Uber" crimes committed. More players are now online due to the recent patch, not due to your actions in game.
So, um, how come the weekend before the article didn't break any records? I mean, patch was already out ;)
(I hereby take all credit)
You will see, if you look back through Eve history, that the number of players online increases a few weeks to a month after a major patch. Usually breaking a record or two 2 to 3 weeks afterwards as word gets out that "new stuff is online". People don't all rush at once, especially just after a patch.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.08.16 02:21:00 -
[282]
Even I'll say that Istvaan most likely brings in way more people (indirectly, he doesn't recruit them) than he causes to leave. Things like this cause the kind of players we want in EVE to take notice of it. Anyone who disagrees with me is wrong because I know better than you.
On another note, Pentadact, you've had mail for about four days.
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Dark Shikari
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Posted - 2005.08.16 02:24:00 -
[283]
Any player that leaves due to being "griefed" wouldn't have made it in EVE anyways. Players in EVE have to be resilient.
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Proud member of the [23].
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sonofollo
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Posted - 2005.08.16 02:26:00 -
[284]
resilent and persistant
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Nathuran Reynolds
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Posted - 2005.08.24 01:08:00 -
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As a gaming journalist and, at the same time, a new player to EVE I think this is exactly the kind of thing that NEEDS to happen in the world of MMOs so they can hit the heights promised by the genre.
When I first entered the world of MMO gaming I was dissapointed with what I saw. There was no role play, it wasn't a virtual world... it felt like you were playing a co-op game. Find an instance, get a few buddies together, win and move on. There is no sense of a greater drama and despite all heroic intentions you have the knowledge that you will never be massive, you will always play second fiddle to the powers that be.
My most memorable MMO game experiences came from the worlds of MUSHs and MOOs where there was a small community but the storylines were community driven, you knew your character could rise to greatness or infamy... it wasn't playing cooperatively, it was playing in the framework of a virtual world.
The type of play we see in the GHSC heist harkens back to the gameplay experienced in this more primative text based worlds.
If I wanted to play in a world where the best storylines and best villains were generated by the game then I would go play a single player RPG... at least the game world will provide a place for me where I can make a difference.
What makes EVE such a rich and involving experience is the existence of player driven content. Knowing that one day my character may find themselves involved in an event of historical signifigance in the gameworld is highly appealing. I would loved to have been involved in an event such as the one under discussion even on the 'losing' side. Events of that sort give much more value to my game time than having a couple of million ISK in my bank account (new player remember... I still consider that a lot of money :P).
MMOs have the potential to offer infinately more than just being a single player game that lots of people can play at once. At the moment basically every major MMO out there offers nothing but that option with Guild Wars taking the idea a little too far. EVE manages in many ways to stand alone by creating the framework of a world and allowing players to fill it.
Originally by: Darth Revanant
Things like this cause the kind of players we want in EVE to take notice of it.
I want to echo these sentiments. Even as a new player I feel that if you are griefed out of a game simply because of negative player driven events then you are missing the point of games like EVE in the first place.
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