I'm posting to confirm the dangers of AFK cloakers!! I was killed by one... :(

Errr, wait a second. AFK... how did they kill me?
Err not AFK, just cloaked.


What was the problem you are trying to fix?

One of my accounts lives in a WH. No local so no problem. And I thought NS was where all the big, tough PVP'ers lived!! LOL

You were killed by someone who you thought was afk, because you had no means to determine whether or not they were afk. I'm not trying to prevent cloaky ships from having their advantages, nor am I trying to prevent them from killing you. I use cloaky ships primarily, and all of the previously proposed solutions have major drawbacks that I personally would not want. This solution has none of those drawbacks, and stops someone who's AFK from having an effect on the game. Problem solved.

Counter troll: you were not killed by someone who was cloaked. Someone who is cloaked is unable to target you.

I'd offer a rebuttal but you're probably too dense to get it anyway.

This is a broken mechanic for multiple reasons that I won't go into. You know what they are, I know what they are, anyone who's spent time in nullsec knows how broken it is, and why.

Local is the problem, it produces too much intel.

Local is the problem, it produces too much intel.
No one has EVER been killed by an AFK player.
Fly in a fleet with multiple players to reduce the chance of being attacked.
HTFU
Try high sec if you want to feel safe all the time.
If you want a mechanic to tell if someone is AFK then we would need a mechanic to tell when someone is mining, running anomalies, sitting in station, in a pos bubble, or what ever they are doing.

How is me having to rat in a fleet (which drastically reduces income for multiple reasons) because of one person cloaked in local, not at their computer, anywhere near balanced? Not only that, but it's nowhere near effective for multiple reasons.

Ratting ships are at a major disadvantage to PvP ships. A cloaky ship can fit a cyno, and a titan can bridge a fleet on top of your group and kill you. Instead of finding a way to counter cloaky campers, instead you found a way to give them more kills in one shot.

STFU

High sec is more dangerous than nullsec.

You already have mechanics to tell when someone is mining, running anomalies, sitting in station, in a pos bubble, or whatever they are doing. It's called dscan and common sense. Now give me mechanics to determine when someone is afk. You have what you want, it's only fair I get what I want.

Troll better next time.

Lots and lots of bullshit.

This has no major drawbacks

How is me having to rat in a fleet (which drastically reduces income for multiple reasons) because of one person cloaked in local, not at their computer, anywhere near balanced? Not only that, but it's nowhere near effective for multiple reasons.

Ratting ships are at a major disadvantage to PvP ships. A cloaky ship can fit a cyno, and a titan can bridge a fleet on top of your group and kill you. Instead of finding a way to counter cloaky campers, instead you found a way to give them more kills in one shot.

^^ Imbalance that needs changed.... ratting in a fleet should increase your pay, not reduce it....



The changes to NPC AI typically result in the rats primarying the new ships on grid.... That helps.... And if you are in a fleet running the anom, you can typically gank a cyno ship pretty damn fast... (although not all)...


The issue of unscoutable hotdrops is an alternative issue... and not an AFK Cloaky issue....

Who is trolling?
Yes you should have to rat in a fleet in null sec, it is no mans land and can be conquered by an alliance which is a group of corporations who's also happens to be a group of players who work towards generally the same goal.
The mechanic to tell what someone is doing is d-scan and commons sense hmm I thought is was local. But they will never tell me if they are a bait ship or not.
If high sec is more dangerous than null then there is a problem with null.

Another NullBear who thinks that he should be able to rat or mine in total safety, and is all mad because the intel he is receiveing from local cannot tell him wether a cloaked vessel is a threat or not.


Seriously, despite this being suche a carebear idea, it still wont work.....

A cloaker waits at your fave ratting spot, waits till he has the AFK flag, the OP then decides that its safe to come out and gets WTFBBQed. he then crys to CCP because an AFK flagged ship assploded him.

He also crys to his mom about the nasty bullies in cloaks.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2643823#post2643823 better solution IMO

....However as it is now there is no effective way to counter a cloaky camper. This is what I want to see resolved.

You brought up AFK Cloaking.

I shall try to explain a few details that are usually glossed over crudely, but hold the truth.

AFK Cloaking: This is done in response to Local Chat flawlessly reporting pilot presence. It dumbs down the interaction between pilots by outright telling all parties who is present. Without this crutch, use of sensors, strategy, and cooperation would be needed to fill the void.
What does it achieve?
It creates a flaw in the usual flow of cause and effect for life in many systems. Often, a neutral or hostile pilot is seen entering, and activity is suspended until they leave. There is trivial risk, as standard procedure often involves being ready to get safe in the time frame provided by this instant alarm. Hostile pilots who refuse to leave are subsequently hunted down.
When the "AFK Cloaking" pilot enters, he disrupts this process, by not leaving. Further, since this intel tool persistently shows him present, the default response of suspending activity is perpetually pushed as chosen reaction.
This devalues the intel tool, as it is now being used against the native PvE pilots instead of helping them.
If local were removed, sensors strategy and cooperation would be placed as valuable means of protecting PvE income assets.
It would also be pointless to AFK cloak, as noone would be aware of your presence while you were passive.
It is widely anticipated that any change to local which stopped free cloaking awareness would also include a means to hunt cloaked ships.

Summary: That free intel tool favored by so many can be used by the hunters too.

Hot Dropping: Bridging is intended to bypass reinforced blockades and travel time. Here, it has been fine tuned to avoid advertising the presence of a fleet to the free intel tool as well by delaying the easily recognizable population spike till the last possible moment. The intention is to deny the warning local provides, although it still reports the presence of the cyno boat enough to be associated with AFK Cloaking instead.
Quite simply, while PvE pilots would never resume regular activities with a hostile fleet present, they are sometimes willing to gamble over whether a cloaked vessel represents that level of threat at a given time.

Sorry about the length, but the mindless repetition of "AFK Cloaking is bad mmkay" sounds foolish.

All of this effect while you're AFK.

Do you like botters?