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mimik
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:46:00 -
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i'm not looking for this becoming a inquest into the way tech2 bpos are distributed but i have serious concerns over tech2 drones bpos only being available in a limited way via the r&d lottery.
as we all know drones are a fairly perishable item, it is regularly required to warp out of combat leaving drones behind in order to save ships and with the current state of drone AI the drones go out of control too easily on inactive npcs. in addition sentry guns now switch target to drones even after they had begun shooting at your ship.
i know this is early days in the supply chain but we are already seeing sell orders being quoted on these forums at 5 mill per drone. when it is not possible to protect these items in same way u can ships and mods it is unreasonable for these to be monopolised.
all this means that players need access to a regular supply of drones and to limit the availability of tech2 drones to a few bpo holders seems unreasonable.
as i said although i am not a supporter of the tech2 bpo lottery i am not looking for this to become a flame of the whole system but for items such as drones and other ammo/missiles once they become available a wider supply of bpos or some way to have access to bpcs other than relying on the bpo holders copying them is a must.
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Alex Harumichi
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:50:00 -
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Yeah, this could become a problem. I'm seeing light drones at 600-900k per, and mediums at around 1.5 - 1.8m per. That's *light* and *medium* drones, which typically die like flies, and are needed in large groups (9-15 at a time).
Ridiculous.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:51:00 -
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just dont buy em,
if most ppl think like u and dont buy em theyll become cheaper.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.08.02 10:56:00 -
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new ransom methode
give me 50 million, or I activate my smartbombs!
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W0lverine
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Nafri
new ransom methode
give me 50 million, or I activate my smartbombs!
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:13:00 -
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Drone BPOs will be like almost every other Tech II BPO: the prices for the items are decreasing.
At the start they are expensive because there are only a few BPOs (i guess atm there are only 1-2 BPOs for every drone). As soon as there are more BPOs they will get much cheaper.
A light drone BPO is producing 1000 units a week and if the producer wants to sell them the prices have to go down soon.
Another Problem for the Tech II producers is, that almost no one is mining anymore and the prices (especially for morphite) are going trough the roof. So if u want cheaper Tech II products get the morphite supply to the market :)
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Grimwalius d'Antan
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:15:00 -
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Well, T2 drones are luxuries, T1 drones will remain the main stay no matter what. Make T2 drones too common and cheap and you'll totally remove the point of having two separate lines of drones.
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DayVV4lkEr
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:25:00 -
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Hm i think that Tech II drones will get common, because they do 50 % more damage (with skills) then Tech I drones.
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Ris Dnalor
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Posted - 2005.08.02 11:46:00 -
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20%, not 50%
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2005.08.02 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ris Dnalor
20%, not 50%
Nope, it's 30% with spec skills at 4.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Ris Dnalor
20%, not 50%
Nope, it's 30% with spec skills at 4.
30% with spec skills at 5 actually but yeah, they are pretty good. tech2 light drones can actually kill interceptors wheres tech1 lights aint worth the dronebay
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
30% with spec skills at 5 actually
Nope, it's 32% at spec skills 5 
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Dri Kulsane
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:24:00 -
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There should be alot more of these BPs available, since we are only seeing the start of the sales at the moment. They will price drop ALOT more and alot fast once new producers come out.
Another thing to consider is the production time. If someone even tried to contain the market I think they would find it difficult without reducing the weekly output into the market. Lets face it, if you got a tech II BPO then your going to want to make it run 24/7. If they keep the price like current then it means they will end up with a huge stock pile.
Pricewise, the only way tech II drones could become run of the mill is if they drop bellow 500%/1000% of the tech I prices. Otherwise they will still be something special but also not an item to be wasted.
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Kai Lae
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Posted - 2005.08.02 13:52:00 -
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One of the issues driving drone costs, at least in the heavy drone area, is skills. As a holder of a heavy drone BPO I now must train 2 rank 5 skills to level 5 before I can build a single drone; this will take me 50 days. This seems to be a very common problem. When the BPO is rare, and the skills required to build it are even rarer than that, you get very high cost. BPC isn't really an option for the same skill reason. I'm not sure why CCP decided to make the skill requirements so high but it isn't helping.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Eyeshadow
30% with spec skills at 5 actually
Nope, it's 32% at spec skills 5
erm no. they get 20% base better than tech1, aswell as +2% per level of the spec skills, so with spec at 5 they get 30%. Where u get 32% from i dont know
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Ithildin
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Posted - 2005.08.02 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
Originally by: Toaster Oven
Originally by: Eyeshadow
30% with spec skills at 5 actually
Nope, it's 32% at spec skills 5
erm no. they get 20% base better than tech1, aswell as +2% per level of the spec skills, so with spec at 5 they get 30%. Where u get 32% from i dont know
Stacking.
Light drone damage: 4
Heavy Drone Skill: equal, disregarded
Drone type modifier: equal, disregarded
Tech 2 drone damage increase: 20%
Drone specialization increase: 10%
T1 drone: 4
T2 drone: 4*1.2*1.1=4*1.32= 5.28
Also, this means that at level 4 you only get a 29.6% increase ;)
As to the original topic: all I can say is that your best bet is to have a close ally with the BPO if you intend to use these often. I've also found that medium drones don't die quite as much as lights and heavies (tougher than lights and faster to drone bay than heavies)
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Rawthorm
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Posted - 2005.08.02 16:52:00 -
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Yea I definatly agree. Its nice having tech two items as rare prints but I think disposables like Tech 2 drones and ammo when it comes out will definatly need a massive increase in BPO's to actualy make them worth the use.
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